Invisible destroyers is killing the game for me

[CallingElvis]

I was just beginning to like the game after having played a few rounds the last 2 weeks. But reaching tier 5 also meant the introduction of invisible destroyers spamming torpedos all over the place. Just a rant as it frustrates me and steals my thunder for the game. Not sure I will continue when it get that gamey.

[Cruiser_Senjo]

Learn concealment mechanics and torp and guns ranges and dont sail on straight line and ...INSTALL WASD HACK is the best hack ever

[SergeantHop]

I feel like I've seen this thread before...

 

Different user, but same thread.

 

Either way, varying your speed and course goes a long way to making those torps harmless. In a couple of words, WASD OP.

[SireneRacker]

Invisible DDs are already at Tier 2 sooooo

 

And stop sailing around in straight lines

[khaenn35]

Complainers of invisible torpedoes are ruining the game for me (disclaimer: A BB skipper.).

And the IJN DD drivers.

[Zhoyzu]

you could try watching some streamers on twitch to get a better idea on how to handle it aswell. see how they react and use that information to help you.

[MrDeaf]

Try playing the torp DDs.

 

observe players who will dodge everything you throw at them.

[Camo68]

You are into the middle tiers now and there is no novice setting.

 

Lots of good videos around about how to sail your ships, give them a view.

 

I recommend Notser & ichasegaming

 

 

[iEaTDaGrudge]

 

love this kinda post here..

[Taichunger]

Best way to learn to think like a DD is to play one. Over and over again. I suggest you get an Umikaze and put in 100-200 games in it, practicing torping, watching ships evade your torps, and understanding how to use space, time, islands, and caps to win. DDs really teach situational awareness, since a surprised BB is a grievously harmed one, but a surprised DD is a dead one.

 

Then when you get into your BBs again, you'll be shocked at that sixth sense that will tell you TORPS INCOMING though you've never seen the DD. Turning will become automatic, you won't even notice you're doing it. You'll also be able to hit DDs better with your guns, having played them. 

 

And because you have better awareness of where you need to be, your win rates, kills, damage, and survival rates will all rise.

[Destin65]

Stay near ships that have detection devices like hydroponics or radar systems that can detect torpedoes from much further out. Or use the skill Vigilance so you can see them coming 25% further out which may buy you just enough time to miss some or all of them. If you don't have the skill, find someone who does and convoy with them, hehe.

 

From what I've learned, any time you see the "detected" message pop-up and the visible enemies are nowhere near the range to be able to detect you... that means there is a DD lurking about nearby. That is when you become extra vigilant on your own and start scanning for where you think the DD might be. And this cannot be emphasized enough, if you are detected it means they are inside your detectability range. For example, my Atlanta has a detection range of 10.7 km. When I see that detected message popup that's when I know I've got a DD close by, close enough for some DDs to be prepping long range torpedoes at me. Or looking to set me up for an ambush of torpedo salvos if they see me nearing an island. Which is why I tend to take wide turns around an island which usually buys a little more time to detect those torpedoes you know they'll be firing away. I also tend to equip my radar consumable to assist the hydro consumable so that I can spend more time DD hunting in games that don't have any CVs. 

 

Believe me, I know that invisible DDs can be a pain in the butt, but there are ways to overcome it and perhaps lessen their impact on you and the battle to some degree. Just takes experience. Now, I don't wanna get off on war stories, but I remember being in the military and our having to constantly train, train, train, drill, drill, drill. Every 3 months we had a major exercise, meaning a simulated deployment and participation in war. I remember one of the guys saying, "We're done this so much already that we can literally do all of this stuff in our sleep." To which our supervisor quipped, "That's what we want. We want you conditioned so that you react without even thinking about it and continue with your duties."

 

I suppose you have to be conditioned to the game and countering DDs in order to get to that point like the military guys aboard these ships would most likely be. So don't worry, the more you play the better you will get. Probably one of the best things to do to get a feel for it is do like someone already suggested, play a DD yourself and see what people are doing to avoid your torps. Also, play from the perspective of a DD-hunting cruiser. No one likes charging into the maw against an unseen enemy, but a dedicated cruiser captain who pulls it off can significantly help their team by eliminating an enemy DD early on and perhaps swing the advantage to your side.

[Teahee]

> Play boat

> Sail in straight lines

> Git deleted

> Go to forum while the game finishes 

[Punisher_One]

Take your Murmansk out for DD revenge.  Just follow the torps. 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

[AlcatrazNC]

Little introduction about DD :

 

 -I've never reached T4-5 with US DD so i will not talk about it . I just heard they are the best at close range, they are good with both torps and gun but they aren't really good in 1 specific field.

 

-About IJN DD, Isokaze and Minekaze only have 7KM torps but they are detected at 6.2 (6KM with camo). They torps are pretty fast ( 64-70kts) and they have less than 1 min reloading (maybe 55 sec or 47). Once you reach the Mutsuki you'll be able to torps at 10 KM however, Mutsuki torps are slow, easy to avoid and have pretty long reload time (1 min +). Torps are main source of DMG for IJN DD and they are the best in concealement. IJN gun are....just fine .

 

-About Russian DD, they are basically gunboat. The T4 have 5KM torps if i'm not wrong and the rest will have only 4 KM torps until the Tashkent (T8) . They have really good gun but at mid-close range it's difficult to deal with US DD . They also lack of concealment.

 

Now if you want to hunt DD, you better play Cruiser or US/Russian DD. Well you can be a nightmare for DD with a Bismarck full secondary build but it still a BB with "poor" manoeuvrability. Another thing to keep in mind : if you see a DD showing his broadside you have 95% chance he dropped torps. (The other 5% is a bluff) During a gun fight, if the DD stop shooting for a moment, it's probably because she's launching torps. The best way to avoid torps is to rush on them and trying to pass between 2 torps. You also need to be aware of the  DD's Nationality, the range between the DD and you, the location where you're sailing and the amount of torps the DD can drop. If you take a Minekaze, he can drop 6 torps ( 3x2 torpedo tube), if you see 2 torpedos coming towards you, that mean she have 4 ready. If for instance you see a russian DD shooting at you at 9KM and show his broadside, you don't need to panic, even if she dropped torps. 

 

 

[godonan]

It takes skill to torp invisibly. Your torpedoes may fall short, the target may turn a tiny bit and a complete miss, the target may get hit by your allies and lose their engine, or lose steering while they are turning... invis-torping is quite difficult. If your target is clumsy and runs into an island, you gotta fire torps again. And your torps may get spotted by your allies.

 

For me, if I suspect a DD, I go near an island. If torpedos are spotted on my side, I immediately beach myself and let the torpedoes go forward and hit the island. Then I begin the process of backing up and turning, which really messes up long-range aim.

[CallingElvis]

> Play boat

 

> Sail in straight lines

 

> Git deleted

 

> Go to forum while the game finishes 

I bet this made your day

[CallingElvis]

Stay near ships that have detection devices like hydroponics or radar systems that can detect torpedoes from much further out. Or use the skill Vigilance so you can see them coming 25% further out which may buy you just enough time to miss some or all of them. If you don't have the skill, find someone who does and convoy with them, hehe.

 

From what I've learned, any time you see the "detected" message pop-up and the visible enemies are nowhere near the range to be able to detect you... that means there is a DD lurking about nearby. That is when you become extra vigilant on your own and start scanning for where you think the DD might be. And this cannot be emphasized enough, if you are detected it means they are inside your detectability range. For example, my Atlanta has a detection range of 10.7 km. When I see that detected message popup that's when I know I've got a DD close by, close enough for some DDs to be prepping long range torpedoes at me. Or looking to set me up for an ambush of torpedo salvos if they see me nearing an island. Which is why I tend to take wide turns around an island which usually buys a little more time to detect those torpedoes you know they'll be firing away. I also tend to equip my radar consumable to assist the hydro consumable so that I can spend more time DD hunting in games that don't have any CVs. 

 

Believe me, I know that invisible DDs can be a pain in the butt, but there are ways to overcome it and perhaps lessen their impact on you and the battle to some degree. Just takes experience. Now, I don't wanna get off on war stories, but I remember being in the military and our having to constantly train, train, train, drill, drill, drill. Every 3 months we had a major exercise, meaning a simulated deployment and participation in war. I remember one of the guys saying, "We're done this so much already that we can literally do all of this stuff in our sleep." To which our supervisor quipped, "That's what we want. We want you conditioned so that you react without even thinking about it and continue with your duties."

 

I suppose you have to be conditioned to the game and countering DDs in order to get to that point like the military guys aboard these ships would most likely be. So don't worry, the more you play the better you will get. Probably one of the best things to do to get a feel for it is do like someone already suggested, play a DD yourself and see what people are doing to avoid your torps. Also, play from the perspective of a DD-hunting cruiser. No one likes charging into the maw against an unseen enemy, but a dedicated cruiser captain who pulls it off can significantly help their team by eliminating an enemy DD early on and perhaps swing the advantage to your side.

 

Thanks for the heads-up. It's probably just lack of experience after all. Good post.

[huenemeca]

Learn concealment mechanics and torp and guns ranges and dont sail on straight line and ...INSTALL WASD HACK is the best hack ever

 

Ha, took me a while to figure out what WASD HACK was.     

[RCN_1966FireHorse]

You are into the middle tiers now and there is no novice setting.

 

Lots of good videos around about how to sail your ships, give them a view.

 

I recommend Notser & ichasegaming

 

 

 

Totally Agree  Also highly recommend "Mighty Jingles" "Voulezvous" and "jammin411"  and for a laugh "Claus"

 

Here is a sample of Claus  lol  The guy kills me... He should do standup.  Also he should go to   WOWS Replays http://wowreplays.com/

 

u Claus Kellerman

i 3,548 views

⇑ Aug 16 2015

 

>>>>>>>>>  https://youtu.be/7w1HteQ0WsY  

[RCN_1966FireHorse]

I was just beginning to like the game after having played a few rounds the last 2 weeks. But reaching tier 5 also meant the introduction of invisible destroyers spamming torpedos all over the place. Just a rant as it frustrates me and steals my thunder for the game. Not sure I will continue when it get that gamey.

 

You are into the middle tiers now and there is no novice setting.

 

Lots of good videos around about how to sail your ships, give them a view.

 

I recommend Notser & ichasegaming

 

 

 

Totally Agree  Also highly recommend "Mighty Jingles" "Voulezvous" and "jammin411"  and for a laugh "Claus"

 

Here is a sample of Claus  lol  The guy kills me... He should do standup. 

 

u Claus Kellerman

i 3,548 views

⇑ Aug 16 2015

 

>>>>>>>>>  https://youtu.be/7w1HteQ0WsY  

 

 Also Toxygene should also go to  WOWS Replays >>>>>>>  http://wowreplays.com/

[Dartinbullets]

Invisibility is part of the game, smoke wx etc.  but when there is no smoke or wx they should no be invisible.  I was running Hydro in a Hipper, not in binocular view and was sunk from the broadside from an unseen ship. 

 

After being sunk a Gneisenau appeared 1.7 km off my port broadside with smoking guns.   I did not see this ship prior to being sunk, something is amiss here and it is not game dynamics. 

 

Yesterday a similar occurrence while in a Budyonny with a DD coming around an island less than 4 km away, I knew it was coming and was ready to finish it, I was already shooting at it earlier.  Again no smoke or wx,  It disappeared as it started to come around the end of the island into view of the guns, I was able to view it visually up till then but not hit it.   I fired blindly missed and was sunk, then it reappeared again of course. 

 

I think these have to be hacks, can't be game dynamics or are they?

 

I have 12 years of sea duty and have never seen invisible ships before except on Popeye, he had invisible paint once.

[iagolan]

I was just beginning to like the game after having played a few rounds the last 2 weeks. But reaching tier 5 also meant the introduction of invisible destroyers spamming torpedos all over the place. Just a rant as it frustrates me and steals my thunder for the game. Not sure I will continue when it get that gamey.

 

First, welcome to World of Warships! Now, on to the reply.

 

 

I don't understand, you have been playing DDs... Oh I see, you're in the USN line and you've only got 68 games in them. You should try playing up through the IJN line up to the Minekaze. It is not easy to make your DD produce invisible Main Battery or Torpedoes. Until then, try changing speed and heading every 20 or 30 seconds. Watch the minimap, and be aware of the location of red DDs. If you see one showing their broadside, there are torpedoes incoming. If you see smoke, there are torpedoes incoming.

 

 

I hope you stick with it, and become the bane of Destroyer captains everywhere! Enjoy the game!

 

 

Invisibility is part of the game, smoke wx etc.  but when there is no smoke or wx they should no be invisible.  I was running Hydro in a Hipper, not in binocular view and was sunk from the broadside from an unseen ship.

 

After being sunk a Gneisenau appeared 1.7 km off my port broadside with smoking guns.   I did not see this ship prior to being sunk, something is amiss here and it is not game dynamics.

 

Yesterday a similar occurrence while in a Budyonny with a DD coming around an island less than 4 km away, I knew it was coming and was ready to finish it, I was already shooting at it earlier.  Again no smoke or wx,  It disappeared as it started to come around the end of the island into view of the guns, I was able to view it visually up till then but not hit it.   I fired blindly missed and was sunk, then it reappeared again of course.

 

I think these have to be hacks, can't be game dynamics or are they?

 

I have 12 years of sea duty and have never seen invisible ships before except on Popeye, he had invisible paint once.

 

 

Do you have a replay for that? I dislike debating hypothetical situations.

[second_torpedo_squadron]

WASD_HAX.exe is available for download and WG support that hack.

[Simuo]

If you are a BB player, then it's very fair to say "Invisible DD are killing me! I can't see them and they are deleting me".

If you are a CA player, then it's very fair to say "Long range BB gun are killing me! I can't reach them and they are deleting me".

If you are a DD player, then it's very fair so say "CA / Hydro / Radar / CV bomber are killing me! I can't scratch their paint and they are deleting me"

This is just how they design the game.