405 [WOLFD] AXELGREASE Members 992 posts 7,395 battles Report post #1 Posted September 28, 2016 It just does! Survive a game, do your best and get penalized like you were killed. You make less credits, even on a good mid tier cruiser game vs what the economy let you make before. All the dds got all the spotting points, Cruisers are just not fast enough to go get there ahead of DDs Once spotted you still get deleted unless you run at the sight of BBs You do crap for damage vs BB The system is way more broken for all the mid tiers. It may work to encourage top tier play, but penalizes mid tiers heavily. Just make it so every teir makes credits even tier 10. Then do away with this stupid system that punishes you for running from BBs so you don't get deleted off the map in the first 5 minutes, while trying to spot, cap and do damage. In the end you pay through the nose like you got killed early. Fixing max cost is great, so long as you pay a prorated amount when you survive for the damage you did take. As it stands, why bother to try and do well when you will be punished anyways? You don't make more credits because mid tier costs have gone up even if you survive a match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
493 [KVLT] Zhoyzu [KVLT] Members 2,307 posts 9,146 battles Report post #2 Posted September 28, 2016 odd, ive been making significantly more since todays patch. Must be your playstyle 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
223 Dahdrael Members 781 posts 9,892 battles Report post #3 Posted September 28, 2016 As it stands, why bother to try and do well when you will be punished anyways? You don't make more credits because mid tier costs have gone up even if you survive a match. doing your best and trying will increase everything you earn, think of it as getting back your entry fee to the match... repair costs across the board were reduced... i dont see the problem for people who play the game... people who sit in the back at max range... they need to change tactics and adapt... no point in being a snowflake afraid to scratch your paint anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50 [IDOL7] IJN_Cruiser_Jintsuu Members 278 posts 3,457 battles Report post #4 Posted September 28, 2016 I don't entirely agree with this but I am incredibly pissed off that I am being penalized for not taking any damage and still having to pay maximum repair cost for being cautious in ships like the Myoko that get deleted in one shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
223 Dahdrael Members 781 posts 9,892 battles Report post #5 Posted September 28, 2016 also....mid tier repairs (tier 6) are 23000.... how are you having a hard time covering that? Ship Maintenance 0.5.11 Max. repair 0.5.11 Maintenance + Max. repair 0.5.11 Maintenance 0.5.12 Albany 0 3000 3000 2000 Amagi 20000 92000 112000 75000 Anshan 2800 26000 28800 21850 Aoba 2900 27000 29900 23000 Arizona 3000 36000 39000 21850 Arkansas Beta 0 7000 7000 5000 Ashigara 8000 50000 58000 42000 Atago 10500 59500 70000 52500 Atlanta 6500 39000 45500 35700 Avrora 0 4000 4000 3000 Baltimore 21000 130000 151000 120000 Bayern 3200 38000 41200 23000 Benson 13000 85000 98000 75000 Bismarck 20000 92000 112000 75000 Blyskawica 2900 27000 29900 21850 Bogatyr 0 4000 4000 3000 Bogue 5500 13000 18500 11500 Budyonniy 4000 30000 34000 23000 Campbeltown 0 3500 3500 3000 Chapaev 16500 85500 102000 75000 Chester 0 3000 3000 2000 Chikuma 0 3000 3000 2000 Clemson 0 6500 6500 5000 Cleveland 4000 30000 34000 23000 Colorado 8500 55000 63500 42000 Derzky 0 3600 3600 3000 Des Moines 35000 220000 255000 180000 Diana 0 3000 3000 2000 Diana Lima 0 3000 3000 2000 Dmitri Donskoy 21000 140000 161000 120000 Drezden 0 3000 3000 2000 Dunkerque 3000 36000 39000 21850 Emden 0 3000 3000 2000 Essex 70000 165000 235000 120000 Farragut 2900 27000 29900 23000 Fletcher 21000 130000 151000 120000 Flint 6500 39000 45500 35700 Friedrich der Große 25000 140000 165000 120000 Fubuki 13000 78000 91000 75000 Fujin 1300 13000 14300 11500 Furutaka 1300 13000 14300 11500 Fuso 3200 38000 41200 23000 Gearing 30000 190000 220000 180000 Gneisenau 8500 55000 63500 42000 Gnevny 1300 13000 14300 11500 Gremyaschiy 1300 13000 14300 11500 Großer Kurfürst 46000 225000 271000 180000 Haguro 8000 50000 58000 42000 Hakuryu 100000 260000 360000 180000 Haruna 1500 16000 17500 11500 Hatsuharu 8000 43000 51000 42000 Hiei 1500 16000 17500 11500 Hindenburg 35000 220000 255000 180000 Hipper 15000 85000 100000 75000 Hiryu 23000 53000 76000 42000 Hosho 500 7000 7500 5000 Ibuki 21000 140000 161000 120000 Independence 13000 30000 43000 23000 Indianapolis 6500 39000 45500 35700 Iowa 25000 140000 165000 120000 Ishizuchi 0 7000 7000 5000 Isokaze 0 6500 6500 5000 Iwaki Alpha 0 6500 6500 5000 Izumo 25000 140000 165000 120000 Izyaslav 0 6500 6500 5000 Kagero 21000 130000 151000 120000 Kaiser 0 7000 7000 5000 Kamikaze 1300 13000 14300 11500 Kamikaze R 1300 13000 14300 11500 Karlsruhe 0 6500 6500 5000 Katori 0 3500 3500 3000 Kawachi 0 4500 4500 3000 Khabarovs 32000 200000 232000 180000 Kiev 8000 46000 54000 42000 Kirishima 1500 16000 17500 11500 Kirov 1300 13000 14300 11500 König 1500 16000 17500 11500 König Albert 0 4500 4500 3000 Kolberg 0 4000 4000 3000 Kongo 1500 16000 17500 11500 Kongou 1500 16000 17500 11500 Konigsberg 1300 13000 14300 11500 Krasniy Krym 1300 13000 14300 11500 Kuma 0 6500 6500 5000 Kutuzov 10500 59500 70000 52500 Langley 500 7000 7500 5000 Lexington 40000 100000 140000 75000 Lo Yang 10000 59000 69000 52500 Mahan 8000 45000 53000 42000 Marblehead 1300 13000 14300 11500 Marblehead Lima 1300 13000 14300 11500 Midway 100000 260000 360000 180000 Mikasa 0 3300 3300 2000 Minekadze 1300 13000 14300 11500 Mogami 16500 85500 102000 75000 Molotov 3800 28500 32300 21850 Montana 46000 225000 271000 180000 Moskva 35000 220000 255000 180000 Murmansk 1300 13000 14300 11500 Mutsuki 2900 27000 29900 23000 Myogi 0 7000 7000 5000 Myoko 8000 50000 58000 42000 Myoko ARP 8000 50000 58000 42000 Nachi 8000 50000 58000 42000 Nagato 8500 55000 63500 42000 Nassau 0 4500 4500 3000 New Mexico 3200 38000 41200 23000 New Orlean 15000 85000 100000 75000 New York 1500 16000 17500 11500 Nicholas 1300 13000 14300 11500 Nikolai I 0 7000 7000 5000 North Carolina 20000 92000 112000 75000 Novik 0 3000 3000 2000 Nurnberg 3200 28000 31200 23000 Ognevoy 3000 28000 31000 23000 Omaha 1300 13000 14300 11500 Pensacola 8000 45000 53000 42000 Phoenix 0 6500 6500 5000 Prinz Eugen 10500 59500 70000 52500 Ranger 23000 53000 76000 42000 Roon 21000 140000 161000 120000 Ryujo 13000 30000 43000 23000 Saipan 20500 44000 64500 35700 Sampson 0 2500 2500 2000 Scharnhorst 7000 47000 54000 35700 Schors 8000 50000 58000 42000 Shimakaze 30000 190000 220000 180000 Shokaku 40000 100000 140000 75000 Sims 6500 39000 45500 35700 Smith 0 2500 2500 2000 South Carolina 0 4500 4500 3000 St. Louis 0 4000 4000 3000 Stotozevoi 0 2750 2750 2000 Svetlana 0 6500 6500 5000 Tachibana 0 2500 2500 2000 Tachibana Lima 0 2500 2500 2000 Taiho 70000 165000 235000 120000 Tashkent 13000 80000 93000 75000 Tenryu 0 3500 3500 3000 Texas 1500 16000 17500 11500 Tirpiz 14000 64500 78500 52500 Udaloi 21000 130000 151000 120000 Umikaze 0 2500 2500 2000 Wakatake 0 3500 3500 3000 Warspite 3000 36000 39000 21850 Wickes 0 3500 3500 3000 Wyoming 0 7000 7000 5000 Yamato 46000 225000 271000 180000 Yorck 8000 50000 58000 42000 Yubari 0 6500 6500 5000 Zao 35000 220000 255000 180000 Zuiho 5500 13000 18500 11500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
819 [WOLFG] 4bRbyHSSzZ6pk Members 4,300 posts Report post #6 Posted September 28, 2016 Because they wanted to shift the economy focus from surviving and avoiding higher repairs into being more useful and getting more income to pay for always maxed service fees instead. The change is a step in the right direction, it encourages objective play over self-preservation 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #7 Posted September 28, 2016 Yeah, I've been making some pretty good credits. Fan of the new economy for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,437 USMC2145 Members 1,939 posts Report post #8 Posted September 28, 2016 Not having any issue making credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
416 Mezurashi -Members- 1,117 posts 3,733 battles Report post #9 Posted September 28, 2016 All the dds got all the spotting points, Cruisers are just not fast enough to go get there ahead of DDs Once spotted you still get deleted unless you run at the sight of BBs You do crap for damage vs BB Hmm, last time I checked, it's part of any DD's job to do advance scouting. So I don't know why you're complaining about this. I play a lot of Cruisers as well, if you're getting spotted and deleted by BBs easily, you're doing something wrong. Here's the world of the day: "ADAPT". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #10 Posted September 28, 2016 I made 130K on a loss in my GK. Never made money on a loss before O.o 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #11 Posted September 28, 2016 For a guy like me who almost never survives anyways, this is little to no difference. Those who sit in the back and try to take as little damage as possible(like the OP) yes this will be hell as passive sniping is a thing of the past. Since it doesn't matter if you take damage anymore, how bout you get up in the fight? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,199 Tachnechdorus Beta Testers 3,315 posts 27,013 battles Report post #12 Posted September 28, 2016 Because they wanted to shift the economy focus from surviving and avoiding higher repairs into being more useful and getting more income to pay for always maxed service fees instead. The change is a step in the right direction, it encourages objective play over self-preservation This is one way to lose costumers that's for sure ! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
819 [WOLFG] 4bRbyHSSzZ6pk Members 4,300 posts Report post #13 Posted September 28, 2016 This is one way to lose costumers that's for sure ! What are you doing here if you think that way? Just wasting some time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
150 Cruiser_Senjo Beta Testers 1,011 posts 4,573 battles Report post #14 Posted September 28, 2016 i loss in my NoCa and have no problem with the economy .-. look Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,498 Grizley Beta Testers 6,868 posts 4,189 battles Report post #15 Posted September 28, 2016 This is one way to lose costumers that's for sure ! I'm sure there has to be some overlap between the group of people that enjoy wearing costumes and the group of people who enjoy playing for objectives. That said. It's simple, if you were playing selfish before, you're not going to do as well now. You can unlearn the selfish habits and do as well as before or better. If you were playing manmode and losing money because even though you wrecked half the enemy team your survival rate is <20%, then you will do better. It's a good change, even if the rewards might need to be slightly adjusted to get the proper balance point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
405 [WOLFD] AXELGREASE Members 992 posts 7,395 battles Report post #16 Posted September 28, 2016 also....mid tier repairs (tier 6) are 23000.... how are you having a hard time covering that? repair costs for a Nuremberg is 41,000 and change. Not 23K, but I did not specify that. Game with no cap points, so that eliminates caps and defense points and credit earned from them. Game with T8s - little damage dealt, have to run from red team to avoid being deleted. You end up shooting at near max range and we all know what that does to your hit rate. Game wiht lots O DDs and you earn no spotting points Voila you don't lose credits, but you make a heck of a lot less than you did before 5.12 changes. The chnges amount to punishing players who try, so why bother trying if you get penalized anyways? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,626 The_GoDDfather Beta Testers 4,982 posts 6,249 battles Report post #17 Posted September 28, 2016 There you are AXEL, I was waiting for you to rear your head. Now I await GUTB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
223 Dahdrael Members 781 posts 9,892 battles Report post #18 Posted September 28, 2016 repair costs for a Nuremberg is 41,000 and change. Not 23K, but I did not specify that. the repair cost was reduced from around 32k to 23k.... you still pay for ammo, premium consumables and camo... so there is your 41k and change... which tbh... would take one good volley to cover... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
105 [_TWP_] BGolightly Members 611 posts 6,854 battles Report post #19 Posted September 28, 2016 This is one way to lose costumers that's for sure ! Yeah, but who really needs a costume to play World of Warships? I just play in my underwear. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
822 BURN_Miner Members 3,010 posts 10,193 battles Report post #20 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Pretty tired of posting screenshots of my games today.... OP, I got a lot of spotting points in my BB's today and made between 3.5 and 4 million credits in a few hours of gameplay. @germanwolflord, Played my Atago and Moltov, both get deleted rather quickly. Still made a ton of credits. Heck, I think I had a 500k loss in the Atago and I was sunk. Edited September 28, 2016 by BURN_Miner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,478 [HINON] renegadestatuz Members 7,656 posts 9,539 battles Report post #21 Posted September 28, 2016 There you are AXEL, I was waiting for you to rear your head. Now I await GUTB. Is it me, or have I not seen him on here in a while? Seriously though. There have been a ton of posts over the past few weeks that clearly would be normal bait for GUTB to jump in. And yet, no GUTB. I almost miss the poor sap and laughing and my daily intake of nonsense that spews out of his keyboard lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,640 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,244 posts 43,709 battles Report post #22 Posted September 28, 2016 It just does! Survive a game, do your best and get penalized like you were killed. You make less credits, even on a good mid tier cruiser game vs what the economy let you make before. All the dds got all the spotting points, Cruisers are just not fast enough to go get there ahead of DDs Once spotted you still get deleted unless you run at the sight of BBs You do crap for damage vs BB The system is way more broken for all the mid tiers. It may work to encourage top tier play, but penalizes mid tiers heavily. Just make it so every teir makes credits even tier 10. Then do away with this stupid system that punishes you for running from BBs so you don't get deleted off the map in the first 5 minutes, while trying to spot, cap and do damage. In the end you pay through the nose like you got killed early. Fixing max cost is great, so long as you pay a prorated amount when you survive for the damage you did take. As it stands, why bother to try and do well when you will be punished anyways? You don't make more credits because mid tier costs have gone up even if you survive a match. Axel, the point of the new economy is to encourage more aggressive play. I have no problem with that in theory. However, as you point out in another post in this thread, there are some situations where ships lose out on XP earning items due to the nature of the game mode, such as fewer capping opportunities in Standard vs Domination mode, which will certainly hurt DD's. Also, it seems like this new mode isn't going to be all that friendly to cruisers in general. Cruisers don't usually cap in domination mode and they don't tank damage (at least the bouncing incoming shells part, though they can evade them somewhat). And they don't usually have the overall damage potential of battleships. Generally speaking, cruisers are support ships, and there's not really a category for XP to be earned by playing a "support" role. You just do the best you can to do damage, kill the occasional ship, get fires burning on BB's, shoot down some planes perhaps. You do a little bit of a lot of different things. But there's no jack of all trades XP earning category for cruisers. Sigh. Oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,407 Compassghost Supertest Coordinator 7,223 posts 14,454 battles Report post #23 Posted September 28, 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,651 [CVRME] CaliburxZero [CVRME] Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,942 posts 10,662 battles Report post #24 Posted September 28, 2016 I made 130K on a loss in my GK. Never made money on a loss before O.o Same thing happened in my Iowa just a few minutes ago. I'm liking this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
519 BossmanSlim Members 1,549 posts 5,319 battles Report post #25 Posted September 28, 2016 Small sample size: Shchors Base exp 1591, 83576 damage caused, 13123 spotting damage, potential damage 524700, defense points 53/199 Ship destroyed No premiums or premium account, total payout 85843 Gneisenau Base exp 1712, 107108 damage caused, 44719 spotting damage, potential damage 2321900, defense points 1/15 Ship survived, earned dreadnaught No premiums or premium account, total payout 116254 A fragile cruiser like the Shchors is hard to spot and earn potential damage with. It doesn't tank well and turns like a brick, so most of the time your fighting from the back and hoping to not get shot at. DDs, BBs and the tougher cruisers should be fine, not sure how the fragile cruisers or CVs are going to fair in this economy, but I think overall it seems fine to me on this limited sample. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
