Is there a working XVM style mod for WoWS?

[PlaneCrazy]

I know I have seen pics of a mod similar to XVM for WoWS in the past, but I can't find anything current.   I looked through Aslain's and online but all i find are old banner farms and click bait web sites.   Does anyone know of a current working mod for WoWS that shows the players WTR or Win ratings?

 

I am really missing that mod (used it in WoT for two years) ...  lately, I have had matches here where I try and support key ships on my team only to get hosed when they yolo suicide or run away.  You can't carry as easy in this game as in WoT and therefore working as a team is more important and I really miss being able to see if that player I am supporting is a 38% potato or not..  (and yes, i saw at least 4 or 5 players over the weekend under 40%!)

 

I know a lot of players block their stats, but that's not a real issue as i will just assume they are bad if they are blocked.  With no clans or team play really in this game, XVM focusing is not that much of an issue, except in Ranked, and even then, the population is so small that people get to know you by name.

 

 

[Lert]

No.

[Crucis]

No, and I hope that it's never allowed, I suppose.  (I see both the positive and the negative.)  And even more so, I hope that there's never a legal mod that gives the win chance.

 

 

[Combined_Fleet_HQ]

Well there is one but its mostly discover-able through word of mouth. Though I advise against using it otherwise we'll have the dilemma in WoT where players either give up or s*** talk others because they have a potato team. That kind of elitism is toxic

[PlaneCrazy]

No.

 

Care to expand?

 

I saw a working one a few months ago.   Someone did it once and they could do it again.  The API is available. 

[The_GoDDfather]

No.

 

No, and I hope that it's never allowed, I suppose.  (I see both the positive and the negative.)  And even more so, I hope that there's never a legal mod that gives the win chance.

 

 

 

Isn't there one in Aslains? I know Lord_Zath uses a stat viewer.

[PlaneCrazy]

Well there is one but its mostly discover-able through word of mouth. Though I advise against using it otherwise we'll have the dilemma in WoT where players either give up or s*** talk others because they have a potato team. That kind of elitism is toxic

 

I am asking a simple question.  Not inviting a discussion on the merits of it.

 

It is a very useful tool and the fact that some people use it to fuel stat shaming has nothing to do with the tool itself. Those idiots will stat shame no matter what.. either after they die in game or here on the forums (where many of them live!)  I can open several browser windows while I play and see people's stats in seconds even without this mod. All i want is a visual representation to let me make decisions on the fly while in game.

 

As for the win % function... I never used that as it's completely misunderstood and miss-used and i found it influenced matches.   I have hundreds of games in WoT where we won even with a sub 20% chance.  So i disabled it and, generally speaking, most other normal players did as well, or at the very least they ignored it and didn't bring up win chance in any battle chat discussions. 

[PlaneCrazy]

 

 

Isn't there one in Aslains? I know Lord_Zath uses a stat viewer.

 

I just downloaded the latest Aslains pack and didn't see it at first glance. 

 

The fact is, WG has been so good implementing features into the UI, that i stopped needing Aslains a few months ago.

 

And i too have noticed some players mentioning stats while in game that sounded like they were using a viewer as well.

[TTK_Aegis]

 

I know a lot of players block their stats, but that's not a real issue as i will just assume they are bad if they are blocked.  

 

 

 

And right there is the best reason for good players to block stats if such a mod is out there. Why advertise to other players, especially the enemy, that you're a threat? A pool shark doesn't walk into a bar and announce how great they are. They appear to suck on purpose to lure in victims.

[Fog_Battleship_Tosa]

 

I just downloaded the latest Aslains pack and didn't see it at first glance. 

 

The fact is, WG has been so good implementing features into the UI, that i stopped needing Aslains a few months ago.

 

And i too have noticed some players mentioning stats while in game that sounded like they were using a viewer as well.

actually, we hit alt+tab, type your name into warships today, read the first non-purple number we can find, hit alt+tab again, and then stat shame you.

[Czevak]

 

 

Isn't there one in Aslains? I know Lord_Zath uses a stat viewer.

 

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

 

WHAT IS XVM?

 

HEHEHE..

[PlaneCrazy]

 

And right there is the best reason for good players to block stats if such a mod is out there. Why advertise to other players, especially the enemy, that you're a threat? A pool shark doesn't walk into a bar and announce how great they are. They appear to suck on purpose to lure in victims.

 

That's true to an extent, but in reality, most good players are proud of their stats and most clans require them to be visible. Also, the unicums tend to get to be well known and get recognized by name alone after time.

 

WoWS is such a small population and it's constantly rolling over that I would hazard a guess that less then 1% of really good players would hide their stats.   And the really bad players usually don't even know they can hide their stats, lol ....

 

In any case, WoWS has an advantage over WoT in that players here do have that option to hide stats.  So the whole XVM bashing argument is kinda mote...   it's like bashing the ARP events, when you can opt out completely.

[Admiral_Tegetthoff]

Positive effect of XVM:

actually getting your team to focus fire on someone, focus fire is a valid tactic

 

Not having to alt-tab and use warships today every time someone enters battle.

 

Negative impact:

not detailed (only shows WR and Avg exp)

Elitism; although I have no idea why people are upset about users who carry their match to a win, giving them free bonus. If you're upset about someone, just ignore them and stop crying about it on chat.

 

Focus fire (on target's end)

because getting shot by every single ship in enemy team is annoying in a fuso with christmas tree pagoda mast.

 

I'm on 50/50 on this one.

I could probably hide my stat but I'm not allowed to by clan rules (IIRC). Basically I trade shortcut of using warships today every time with XVM, while I get increased chance of getting focus fired.

[awiggin]

 

That's true to an extent, but in reality, most good players are proud of their stats and most clans require them to be visible. Also, the unicums tend to get to be well known and get recognized by name alone after time.

 

WoWS is such a small population and it's constantly rolling over that I would hazard a guess that less then 1% of really good players would hide their stats.   And the really bad players usually don't even know they can hide their stats, lol ....

 

In any case, WoWS has an advantage over WoT in that players here do have that option to hide stats.  So the whole XVM bashing argument is kinda mote...   it's like bashing the ARP events, when you can opt out completely.

 

Run back to your FPS, WG isn't WOT, and will never be. 

And you're comparing apples and bananas, What does ARP content have to do with Stat poisoning the game by elitists? 

[PlaneCrazy]

 

Run back to your FPS, WG isn't WOT, and will never be. 

And you're comparing apples and bananas, What does ARP content have to do with Stat poisoning the game by elitists? 

 

WG = Wargaming, who make World of Tanks as well as World of Warships

 

Grow up

[TTK_Aegis]

 

That's true to an extent, but in reality, most good players are proud of their stats and most clans require them to be visible. Also, the unicums tend to get to be well known and get recognized by name alone after time.

 

WoWS is such a small population and it's constantly rolling over that I would hazard a guess that less then 1% of really good players would hide their stats.   And the really bad players usually don't even know they can hide their stats, lol ....

 

In any case, WoWS has an advantage over WoT in that players here do have that option to hide stats.  So the whole XVM bashing argument is kinda mote...   it's like bashing the ARP events, when you can opt out completely.

 

Personally, I hide mine because I'm still fairly new compared to your average person that's been here since beta and has thousands of matches played. When I first joined I saw people's perfectly reasonable ideas and comments get shot down because "shut up you only have 300 games what do you know" etc... and I thought, well, that's not for me. 

 

Based on what I've seen, my stats are pretty good, but I feel no pride in them. I go weeks without even bothering to see what they currently are. Stats are pretty pointless things. What matters is me sinking the enemy. Showing off purple numbers doesn't do that. 

[Crucis]

Well there is one but its mostly discover-able through word of mouth. Though I advise against using it otherwise we'll have the dilemma in WoT where players either give up or s*** talk others because they have a potato team. That kind of elitism is toxic

 

I am asking a simple question.  Not inviting a discussion on the merits of it.

 

It is a very useful tool and the fact that some people use it to fuel stat shaming has nothing to do with the tool itself. Those idiots will stat shame no matter what.. either after they die in game or here on the forums (where many of them live!)  I can open several browser windows while I play and see people's stats in seconds even without this mod. All i want is a visual representation to let me make decisions on the fly while in game.

 

As for the win % function... I never used that as it's completely misunderstood and miss-used and i found it influenced matches.   I have hundreds of games in WoT where we won even with a sub 20% chance.  So i disabled it and, generally speaking, most other normal players did as well, or at the very least they ignored it and didn't bring up win chance in any battle chat discussions. 

 

 

Sorry, but by even bringing up the topic of a WoWS XVM, you are by default inviting a discussion of it.  That's just the way things go on forums.

 

As for the win chance, yes YOU and others may disable it, but it can still affect the minds of anyone else who does use it.  I don't see any good reason for allowing it to be a legal mod.

 

As for XVM and stat shaming, claiming that it has nothing to do with the mod itself is silly.  Of course, it does.  Without the presence of the XVM mod, the potential stat shamer would have to alt-tab out to look up stats, which he isn't likely to do unless he feels that he has a very good reason to do so (though yes, he could look up stats after he dies without any hassle).  OTOH, with XVM present, he doesn't need any reason to check stats.  They're already there to be used or not used.

 

I know that there are upsides and downsides to XVM.  But on the whole, I think that the game would be better off without it being legal.  If you want to look up stats of players in game, you should have to make a special effort to do so, not get that data handed to you.  But if XVM is considered a legal mod, I'm not likely to throw a hissy fit over it either, since there are upsides to it.

 

 

 

[PlaneCrazy]

The more I am looking into this (running google searches here right now), the more I am thinking that Lesta is using their position as main developer of this game to block XVM style mods from becoming popular.   May be one of the reasons they did all those changes to how mods worked back in 5.3'ish. 

 

It seems to be another indication (to me at least) how much they seem resistant to competitive game play in this game.   WoT launched with clan functionality and they have openly supported XVM for years now.  They even decided not to allow stats to be hidden because it is, after all, a competitive PVP game.   As is this one... well, at least on paper it's supposed to be.  And yet, we have no indication clans are even on the radar.   They mention them every few months in Q&A's but, in reality, there's nothing to indicate if they are even close to implementing the feature.  And yet this game has now been live for 14 months.  

 

Oh well..   I hope someone comes up with this mod soon.

[Nachoo31]

Don't need it.

 

Clanwars ruined WoT for me. It can stay there.

[iEaTDaGrudge]

 

this will intensifies..

[PlaneCrazy]

 

 

Sorry, but by even bringing up the topic of a WoWS XVM, you are by default inviting a discussion of it.  That's just the way things go on forums.

 

As for the win chance, yes YOU and others may disable it, but it can still affect the minds of anyone else who does use it.  I don't see any good reason for allowing it to be a legal mod.

 

As for XVM and stat shaming, claiming that it has nothing to do with the mod itself is silly.  Of course, it does.  Without the presence of the XVM mod, the potential stat shamer would have to alt-tab out to look up stats, which he isn't likely to do unless he feels that he has a very good reason to do so (though yes, he could look up stats after he dies without any hassle).  OTOH, with XVM present, he doesn't need any reason to check stats.  They're already there to be used or not used.

 

I know that there are upsides and downsides to XVM.  But on the whole, I think that the game would be better off without it being legal.  If you want to look up stats of players in game, you should have to make a special effort to do so, not get that data handed to you.  But if XVM is considered a legal mod, I'm not likely to throw a hissy fit over it either, since there are upsides to it.

 

 

 

 

I've played this game since CBT and WoT since CBT as well (this is not my play account)   I didn't use XVM for the first 2 years of WoT and then I took a year off and when i came back, I decided to try it.   I found it extremely useful for the reasons i outlined above and also to help me learn where I was weak and work at improving it.   For example, once I learned how to read the stats, I realized I was being way too aggressive early in the matches and even though i was effective,  I tended to die early.  That made me play smarter and then, slowly, all my stats started to go up as I was playing longer and doing more to help the team.

 

Like it or not, XVM is a legal mod and always has been, both in WoT and this game.   Lesta just seems to be making it difficult to implement and the modders are probably tired of the constant updates they have to do.   Sad fact is, WoWS is a drop in the bucket compared to Tanks and there is just not that many players willing to do these mods for this game.   The lack of clans, or any competitive team gameplay for that matter,  has resulted in a large number of the original players leaving this game, including some really good modders.

 

As for stat shaming, I see MUCH more of that done on this forum then in the game and, even in WoT, which I started playing again, I rarely see it there.    Most people who do the shaming are going to do it no matter what, either after they die in game (WoWS's most common occurrence of it, I find) or they will bring it to the forum.  

 

What i do see a lot in WoWS... more so then even Tanks... is bad players who make absolutely no effort to help the team.  That's one of the main problems with a F2P game.   Lack of investment in the game.  Get a player with 30K games and a Clan (like in Tanks) and they all of a sudden care about how they play.   Here... so many players just ignore the team and shoot the pretty ships until they die.

 

EDIT: Anyhow, this has turned into a discussion of the merits of the mod itself, which i wanted to avoid.   People can opt out and other people have their own reasons for or against it.   I just wanted to know if anyone was actively working on this mod.   Guess it's been shelved for now or only being maintained among a small user base. 

[Warlord_Deadeye_Pete]

why you should not use XVM...

 

 Because ya silly git's it's an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE....

 

Why is it unfair?  Because not everyone is going to have it, that why its unfair.

 

I am a big big proponent of NO MOD play with 2 accept-ions...

 

Training Room.. I think this should be enabled by default.

Region Changer:  Hey go have an account on a server NOT on your continent or region.  Why.. you have heard the phrase "Variety is the spice of life" yes?  Different servers have differing play style meta's.. Go experience them.  You might come back with some new tactics...  And it can be quite a plus to actually not understand that you were just treated to the most vile foul insult available in a language because you don't under stand it..and are there for not distracted by it.  Broaden your horizons.

 

But an XVM type mod?  There is no really legit reason to have one..the bad feeling it causes in the community by those that purposely abuse the information by using it to troll other players is far in excess of any good that would come of it.

 

There is NO excuse for bad sportsmanship.   And this is a meem that's starting to kick in in online gaming rather strongly as a new generations of gamers join the online community.  And it is connected.  Mean Rude, crude is old news and is getting less and less tolerated.   Players looking for excuses to be that way are getting less and less tolerated, both in forums, and in games.

 

It's not just the newest generation of console gamers graduating to more versatile PC gaming, it's older folks.. parents, grand parents, great grand parents of both genders that are jumping into online gaming in greater and greater numbers.

 

Play hard, play smart, play clean, do your best, and don't make excuses, or play the blame game when you have a bad match.  You make your calls in a online game, and you fail..  you made the wrong call.. learn from it.   

[Lord_Zath]

Since I was mentioned, here's my thoughts:

 

First, I've learned that people don't necessarily play up to their stats all the time (shocking).  In fact, I've seen games flip more often because my team had more worse players than their team, who had more average players.  Sure, a 60%'er can positively influence the battle for them, but in my experience, a 40%er has a greater impact on the outcome of the battle than a 60%er.  So who really cares if they have ONE good player and a bunch of average?  

 

Second, it's saddening when you see so much red across the board (40% win rate and below).  This is especially true on weekends.  It's very hard not to stat shame people, leading to toxicity.  I typically only try to mention people to my div mates and that's it.  If I let our team know who to watch out for on the enemy team, I'm often flamed for even looking up peoples' stats.  It's just as easy to alt-tab out and look up peoples' stats if you really want to.  (PROTIP:  Play the game in "full screen windowed" mode for fast alt-tabbing)  Chances are you're dead anyways by the time you get into the e-fight so you have some time.

 

Third, I'm finding it much easier on my own personal sanity to just play the game.  I treat every enemy like a unicum and every teammate like a potato. This is especially true if CVs are in the game. Call me elitist if you want, but I find that even 40%ers can citadel me or torpedo me.  Hell, half the time they do such stupid/weird/off-the-wall things that it catches me off-guard.  This is especially true of Ranked, with the end of last season taking the cake.  Like the Chicago Bears, I'd rather just not know the record or the stats and enjoy all the stupid plays, amazing comebacks, and LOLcits that come from playing the game the way I want to.

 

So is there an XvM?  Sure, I guess.  Does it make me a better player?  No.  It just makes me jaded.

[iEaTDaGrudge]

 

interesting..

[Stauffenberg44]

XVM is an insidious pixel-borne infection inducing the often fatal condition of stat-angst, also known to produce foaming furies, spittle-flying diatribes, epithet paroxysms, the tearing out of hair, hammering of fists on the nearest guilty object, and the spewing forth of the most toxic insults--an atavistic howl discharging and arcing out of your overheated hypothalamus. I think it should be effectively quarantined and eliminated under a WoW Sportsmanship Act.

 

(or somesuch)