11 AlphaRaptor Beta Testers 82 posts 7,915 battles Report post #1 Posted September 25, 2016 Hello captains, today I bring you a most important lesson I've learned. I've owned the Sims since closed beta and loved it back then. Since the release its only gotten worse and worse, often appearing the worst tier 7. I've always seen it as a representation of the US destroyer line and because I hated it so much I never bothered to go down the line. Recently however, I decided to play the line and I have to say the line is one of my favorites so far. I own a Benson and I'm really looking forward to getting a Fletcher. With the upcoming changes and poor performance of IJN DDs, and the nerfs to come for Rus DDs I think that US dds are going to become the dominant force in high tiers. So I learned to not judge a line by its premium and I feel like its an important enough lesson to discuss. Thanks for your time captains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
644 [APOC] DasBootcamp Members 1,982 posts 8,035 battles Report post #2 Posted September 25, 2016 It's a good lesson to learn. All ships, both in the actual tree and premiums, have strengths and weaknesses. The IJN DD line changes look promising, and I can confirm that the Fletcher is probably the best Tier 9 in the game. Have fun! (Don't sell the Benson) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
194 BadNews420 Members 555 posts 11,596 battles Report post #3 Posted September 25, 2016 I unlocked nicholas almost a year ago but never bought it because i didn't like US DD at all, but a coupel of months back i bought when it was on a sale. And damn them US DD are so fun to play Now i have fletcher unlocked but no money but US DD is for sure my fav class right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #4 Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) I'm still confused as to how anyone can hate the Sims. She's just such a fun, zippy boat with excellent guns and great all around performance. I honestly can't say I regret buying any premiums. Not even the Krispy Krym. It's objectively a bad ship, but that's part of what makes it fun. More of a challenge to do well. Edited September 26, 2016 by SergeantHop 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,622 [-KIA-] Czevak Senior Volunteer Moderator, Beta Testers, Supertester, Privateers, Senior Volunteer Moderator 6,550 posts 8,491 battles Report post #5 Posted September 25, 2016 Dunkerque is good, but when it gets up-tiered it struggles. The only premium I regret buying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,285 battles Report post #6 Posted September 26, 2016 Sims is great. You can swap a captain between Atlanta and her easily and then run that captain on either a high tier USN CA or DD. Pew pew pew goodness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,490 [---] Raptor_alcor Banned 6,739 posts 10,245 battles Report post #7 Posted September 26, 2016 Sims avoided the sweeping torpedo buff that all the other USN DDs got and to compensate it got tier 3 torps that go the same distance as current day tier 7 and go so slow that a khab can ALMOST match it in speed. Yeah that's a major factor in sims not being very good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
391 Venom81 Members 1,840 posts 2,716 battles Report post #8 Posted September 26, 2016 The 5"/38s are so annoying. Just so [edited]annoying. Aside from that, they are good ships, and the best destroyer hunters in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #9 Posted September 26, 2016 I use the 5.5s on mine. Shotgun torps are the way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 AlphaRaptor Beta Testers 82 posts 7,915 battles Report post #10 Posted September 26, 2016 The 5"/38s are so annoying. Just so [edited]annoying. Aside from that, they are good ships, and the best destroyer hunters in the game. For sure, one of the reasons I hate the Sims is because you have to use the guns to do all your damage and you only get 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
529 [WOLF5] CorradoG60 Members 864 posts 10,738 battles Report post #11 Posted September 26, 2016 I love my SIms. It's hands down one of my favorite ships. And having a capt with AFT makes even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #12 Posted September 26, 2016 For sure, one of the reasons I hate the Sims is because you have to use the guns to do all your damage and you only get 4. Lo Yang has the exact same guns with the exact same number and nobody complains about a lack of firepower with that ship. Having only four guns really isn't that big of a detriment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,913 [RLGN] Estimated_Prophet Members 19,403 posts 36,263 battles Report post #13 Posted September 26, 2016 You can swap a captain between Atlanta and her easily and then run that captain on either a high tier USN CA or DD. Use my Farragut captain in Atlanta... and Marblehead, and Indianapolis, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,681 [O_O] desmo_2 Members 7,995 posts 23,128 battles Report post #14 Posted September 26, 2016 I have thoroughly enjoyed most of the USN DD's. Yea, the Benson is a beast. The turret traverse and ROF is ridiculous, and her torps are dammed dangerous. Had a player on the PT server say the Benson was a POS...I literally laughed out loud. WUT? The Clemson is another standout in the USN DD line (among many). I love mine with a guilty zeal, and have heard many others with the same sentiment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
205 [TG-38] TheGirlFromIpanema Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 1,307 posts 8,000 battles Report post #15 Posted September 26, 2016 Dunkerque is good, but when it gets up-tiered it struggles. The only premium I regret buying. As you should. Any ship specifically designed to be a bow-camper in full reverse, ala North Carolina meta, deserves to be disappointed. The ship is crap just like the Maginot Line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,186 BlazerSparta Members 11,026 posts 30,668 battles Report post #16 Posted September 26, 2016 With the upcoming changes and poor performance of IJN DDs... The upcoming IJN DD changes will make IJN DDs more dangerous to USN DDs. Not less. As they are now, IJN DDs have n advantage against USN DDs at long ranges (6-7km+). The upcoming IJN DD changes with increased gun range and DPM widens that advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11 AlphaRaptor Beta Testers 82 posts 7,915 battles Report post #17 Posted September 26, 2016 The upcoming IJN DD changes will make IJN DDs more dangerous to USN DDs. Not less. As they are now, IJN DDs have n advantage against USN DDs at long ranges (6-7km+). The upcoming IJN DD changes with increased gun range and DPM widens that advantage. Hope you're right about the changes to IJN dds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,622 [-KIA-] Czevak Senior Volunteer Moderator, Beta Testers, Supertester, Privateers, Senior Volunteer Moderator 6,550 posts 8,491 battles Report post #18 Posted September 26, 2016 As you should. Any ship specifically designed to be a bow-camper in full reverse, ala North Carolina meta, deserves to be disappointed. The ship is crap just like the Maginot Line. I wouldn't go THAT far, but yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,482 [NMKJT] MnemonScarlet Members 4,693 posts Report post #19 Posted September 26, 2016 I wouldn't go THAT far, but yeah. Even uptiered she's still good, just becomes more about using her mobility and not relying on the bow as much. Even at-tier you still see Warspites and Bayerns who overmatch you tho, so it's not really the same as NC who can ignore most fire bow on unless Yamato shows up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,122 Battleship_DukeofYork Members 1,650 posts 1,608 battles Report post #20 Posted September 26, 2016 I kind of regret buying Dunkerque... it just doesn't fit my playstyle. However, this is more than balanced out with the sheer pleasure I derive from Scharnhorst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,622 [-KIA-] Czevak Senior Volunteer Moderator, Beta Testers, Supertester, Privateers, Senior Volunteer Moderator 6,550 posts 8,491 battles Report post #21 Posted September 26, 2016 Even uptiered she's still good, just becomes more about using her mobility and not relying on the bow as much. Even at-tier you still see Warspites and Bayerns who overmatch you tho, so it's not really the same as NC who can ignore most fire bow on unless Yamato shows up. Uptiered Dunkerque struggles. That's not good, Warspite doesn't care if she's uptiered, Dunkek does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #22 Posted September 26, 2016 Uptiered Dunkerque struggles. That's not good, Warspite doesn't care if she's uptiered, Dunkek does. I still haven't had too much trouble with my Dunkerque as bottom tier, I just have to remember not to YOLO in with it like I would with my NC. Also, liberal use of the 1 key keeps the damage counter ticking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
91 [WOLF1] BarbedWireRat [WOLF1] Beta Testers 1,144 posts 23,133 battles Report post #23 Posted September 26, 2016 Sims took me a long while to figure out. But once I did, I loved it, and decided I should buy Lo Yang as well. Sims taught me everything I needed to know about how to play US DD. Lo Yang is even better and does fine uptiered in T10 battles, so I can't wait to get to play Fletcher and Gearing. I started up the US DD line recently and should get to T7 Mahan tonight or tomorrow. Kinda been a seal clubbing spree all the way so far. Should be interesting to see how I do in Mahan compared to Sims. Will have to play them back to back to see! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49 [FKK] KarpeDiem Members 580 posts 29,057 battles Report post #24 Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Love my DDs, but for some reason, I just dont do well in the Mahan. I know its just me, so dont troll. While i love the Clemson and Nicholas, for some reason the Farragut and the Mahan i just cant play as well. maybe it is just OJT? Only Premium I disliked is the Atlanta and may get her again now. I loved my Mollie, but I soon learned that I can use the Aoba as my T6 CL and do better. Edited September 26, 2016 by FKKarpeDiem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
580 [PLPTV] Ulthwey Members 1,457 posts 9,077 battles Report post #25 Posted September 26, 2016 Hello captains, today I bring you a most important lesson I've learned. I've owned the Sims since closed beta and loved it back then. Since the release its only gotten worse and worse, often appearing the worst tier 7. I've always seen it as a representation of the US destroyer line and because I hated it so much I never bothered to go down the line. Recently however, I decided to play the line and I have to say the line is one of my favorites so far. I own a Benson and I'm really looking forward to getting a Fletcher. With the upcoming changes and poor performance of IJN DDs, and the nerfs to come for Rus DDs I think that US dds are going to become the dominant force in high tiers. So I learned to not judge a line by its premium and I feel like its an important enough lesson to discuss. Thanks for your time captains. The biggest problem w/ premiums is the fact that many regard them as "pay to win" even though they are anything but. Even the good premiums like Atago, Kutuzov, Arizona and Warspite have very significant, noticeable disadvantages. However overall, its extremely beneficial to have at least 1 high tier premium which you could use to farm creds. In fact it would be stupid not to have at least one, because it forces you to grind silver on standard ships which greatly prolongs the time you have to grind. People say "wallet warriors", but the fact is - many of these wallet warriors actually have the right idea and know exactly what they are doing. They are spending their game-time more efficiently, so they can earn a mil in 2-3 games instead of 5-8 games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
