839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #1 Posted September 25, 2016 ... But did they really have to revert the Montana deck armor change too? I was looking forward to not getting lolpenned by everything everywhere. Deck is back to 29mm on the PTS. Granted that can change, but meh. Oh well, can't win 'em all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
613 [CHEEZ] twitch133 Members 2,614 posts 5,281 battles Report post #2 Posted September 25, 2016 There is this thread, another player found a design document showing that the Montana we know in game was designed with much thinner centerline deck armor than was planned. In game, the armor view show Montana to have 29mm of weather deack armor and 150mm of citadel deck armor. But this design document show she should have 57mm of weather deck armor and 179mm of citadel deck armor. But you know why this is... "Balance" "It's a feature" "Working as intendedTM" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #3 Posted September 25, 2016 There is this thread, another player found a design document showing that the Montana we know in game was designed with much thinner centerline deck armor than was planned. In game, the armor view show Montana to have 29mm of weather deack armor and 150mm of citadel deck armor. But this design document show she should have 57mm of weather deck armor and 179mm of citadel deck armor. But you know why this is... "Balance" "It's a feature" "Working as intendedTM" They had actually changed it when the bow nerf was live, it had a 38mm deck like Iowa. IF my instincts are right, we'll probably see the 38mm in the live patch, but for now they just reverted to the old values on the PTS as a quick fix unless this was an oversight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
655 PelicanHazard Members 2,632 posts 10,276 battles Report post #4 Posted September 25, 2016 They had actually changed it when the bow nerf was live, it had a 38mm deck like Iowa. IF my instincts are right, we'll probably see the 38mm in the live patch, but for now they just reverted to the old values on the PTS as a quick fix unless this was an oversight. If they revert Montana's changes but keep the Nagato citadel fix, there'll be another flood of "WG hates the USN" threads when the patch goes live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #5 Posted September 25, 2016 If they revert Montana's changes but keep the Nagato citadel fix, there'll be another flood of "WG hates the USN" threads when the patch goes live. What did they do to Nagato's citadel? I haven't played my Nagato much recently, but she's always been an amazing battleship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,229 [HINON] MaliceA4Thought Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 2,632 posts 6,436 battles Report post #6 Posted September 25, 2016 If they revert Montana's changes but keep the Nagato citadel fix, there'll be another flood of "WG hates the USN" threads when the patch goes live. There will be anyway whether the anything is reverted or not M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
613 [CHEEZ] twitch133 Members 2,614 posts 5,281 battles Report post #7 Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) They had actually changed it when the bow nerf was live, it had a 38mm deck like Iowa. IF my instincts are right, we'll probably see the 38mm in the live patch, but for now they just reverted to the old values on the PTS as a quick fix unless this was an oversight. I hope you are right with this. The USN BB line has been my favorite so far for their versatility. They are not one trick ponies like the German or IJN lines. The can do everything fairly well, but the only thing the exceed at is air defense. They seem to be woefully under protected though, its almost like WG doesn't want them to succeed. Iowa should have nearly identical decking values to Montana as well. Armor breakdowns show 147mm+32mm STS backing on the citadel deck for a total of 179mm. And 38mm+19mm STS backing for a total of 57mm on the weather deck. But this is represented in game by 152mm of citadel deck and 38mm of weather deck. The weather deck on bow and stern should be 38mm with no STS backing, but the weather deck midship, is 38mm of steel plus the 19mm of STS backing. Edited September 25, 2016 by twitch133 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #8 Posted September 25, 2016 What did they do to Nagato's citadel? I haven't played my Nagato much recently, but she's always been an amazing battleship. They gave it the thickness it should have had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [S_E_A] byronicasian Beta Testers 2,709 posts 4,566 battles Report post #9 Posted September 25, 2016 ... But did they really have to revert the Montana deck armor change too? I was looking forward to not getting lolpenned by everything everywhere. Deck is back to 29mm on the PTS. Granted that can change, but meh. Oh well, can't win 'em all. Sub_octavian confirmed on reddit that in 0.5.12, the Montana's deck armor will be buffed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #10 Posted September 25, 2016 They gave it the thickness it should have had. Not to be rude, but can you be more specific? What is wrong with it now, and what might be fixed on the ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 29,017 battles Report post #11 Posted September 25, 2016 Not to be rude, but can you be more specific? What is wrong with it now, and what might be fixed on the ship? I think there was an extra layer of armor plate covering it that was removed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
534 [WOLFD] Carl [WOLFD] Beta Testers 5,072 posts 1,514 battles Report post #12 Posted September 25, 2016 What happened is the source book WG';ing was using had a typo in it. The diagram's WG'ing where using listed 29mm, the rest of the book was 57, WG'ing went with the diagram as they did with everything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
613 [CHEEZ] twitch133 Members 2,614 posts 5,281 battles Report post #13 Posted September 25, 2016 What happened is the source book WG';ing was using had a typo in it. The diagram's WG'ing where using listed 29mm, the rest of the book was 57, WG'ing went with the diagram as they did with everything else. That still fails to address the discrepancies in the citadel deck on both Montana and Iowa. Although it is a step in the right direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
39 [T_D_F] ColdCast253 Beta Testers 173 posts 17,520 battles Report post #14 Posted September 25, 2016 Here's hoping they are working on an armor model for Montana that still has the reverted bow and stern plating values, but also includes the updated weather deck values. I'm guessing they didn't have that model prepared, and only reverted to the current PT model for the remainder of the testing period. She clearly needs it. Her two-week stats are lagging behind her closest competition by nearly 2% winrate, and by over 10k in damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,022 Gabriel_LXIX Members 2,518 posts Report post #15 Posted September 25, 2016 most likely this was just part of the entire armor change so it got changed with all the rest, hopefully they don't forget to put it back in on it's own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #16 Posted September 25, 2016 Not to be rude, but can you be more specific? What is wrong with it now, and what might be fixed on the ship? As I understand it the angled armor over the fore and after magazines is much, much thinner than it should be. Like missing an entire armor plate thinner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,367 [HINON] Captain_Dorja [HINON] Beta Testers 5,913 posts 5,645 battles Report post #17 Posted September 26, 2016 Thanks guys. +1s for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,736 gurudennis Beta Testers 5,082 posts 5,575 battles Report post #18 Posted September 26, 2016 There is this thread, another player found a design document showing that the Montana we know in game was designed with much thinner centerline deck armor than was planned. In game, the armor view show Montana to have 29mm of weather deack armor and 150mm of citadel deck armor. But this design document show she should have 57mm of weather deck armor and 179mm of citadel deck armor. But you know why this is... "Balance" "It's a feature" "Working as intendedTM" Did they find any documents about the glorious Soviet navy too? This game is balanced according to non-historical criteria and any historical findings have nearly zero bearing on the balance. I'm not taking sides on the Montana debate, just pointing it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
