I'd like an IJN premium carrier with good dive bombers

[Gavroche_]

I know it's ahistorical, but I think it would be great if we got Zuikaku or Kaga or Akagi with a strong complement of dive bombers. I know a lot of people (myself included) make fun of IJN DBs for being weak, but i think a 2/0/4 or even a 0/0/6 would be a viable loadout. I envision Zuikaku as a tier VIII premium with Taiho bombers given the choice between a 0/0/6 and a 2/0/4 loadout and all it would do is go around setting fires. 

 

Iunno, I thought it was a cool idea...

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

Why would anyone want DBs instead of TBs?

[Wo_9]

Why would anyone want DBs instead of TBs?

 

Lol 

[Special_Kay]

I don't like the sound of 0/0/6... may as well make it 0/0/4 and enlarge the squadrons at that point.

[YamatoA150]

Why would anyone want DBs instead of TBs?

 

For the eventual AP bomb fest that will break the game again until WG balances it with worse dispersion and a stricter damage limit so that one DB squad will never quad-cit (or more) a ship (mainly cruisers and Montana, if she doesn't get her deck armor fixed).

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

Lol 

Thanks for the constructive and informative post. I am glad you took the time to post, it really adds to the thread and helped my understanding greatly. 

 

/s

[Fallschirmfuchs]

Special premium IJN CV with a squadron devoted to kamikaze, sky cancer at it's finest.

[VTAdmiral]

Special premium IJN CV with a squadron devoted to kamikaze, sky cancer at it's finest.

 

ha ha ha

 

no

 

Kamikazes were land-based anyway. Stop asking for this stupidity. Nobody with any sense wants it.

 

As for a premium carrier with good dive bombers, take a page from Saipan: Tier 7, Akagi, among her loadouts is 3-1-2 with 10k bombs and tier 9 aircraft. Or use her to test AP bombs.

 

Remember that dive bombers with AP bombs (adapted from 41cm type 1 AP shells from Nagato and Mutsu) did most of the damage to battleships at Pearl Harbor including sinking Arizona. And Akagi participated in Pearl.

[NightHawkS117]

I would think that a Japanese CV would end up like Saipan, but instead of a Super OP Dive bomber group, it would have a Super OP torpedo bomber group.

[Vinidoanker]

I want kamikaze plane..

[NightHawkS117]

 

ha ha ha

 

no

 

Kamikazes were land-based anyway. Stop asking for this stupidity. Nobody with any sense wants it.

 

As for a premium carrier with good dive bombers, take a page from Saipan: Tier 7, Akagi, among her loadouts is 3-1-2 with 10k bombs and tier 9 aircraft.

 

um, Kamikazes were land based purely because Japan didnt have any carriers left. Or did you forget that the Zero fighter( A highly used Kamikaze aircraft) was a naval fighter that was carrier qualified? or the Judy/Val Dive bombers, or Even the Kates?

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

ha ha ha

 

no

 

Kamikazes were land-based anyway. Stop asking for this stupidity. Nobody with any sense wants it.

 

As for a premium carrier with good dive bombers, take a page from Saipan: Tier 7, Akagi, among her loadouts is 3-1-2 with 10k bombs and tier 9 aircraft. Or use her to test AP bombs.

 

It's unclear which carrier it belonged to but remember that AP bombs (adapted from 41cm type 1 AP shells from Nagato) did most of the damage to battleships at Pearl Harbor. And Akagi participated in Pearl.

Wg could make a kamikaze storm that rams planes into Ally ships and lights fires randomly like cyclones but planes instead of poor visibility. It's a fair and balanced mechanic like cyclones and detonations, people would love it for its historical realism and skill balancing. 

[ckupf]

Akagi would probably be T8.

 

I would think that a Japanese CV would end up like Saipan, but instead of a Super OP Dive bomber group, it would have a Super OP torpedo bomber group.

 

This is also what I think, give her 2 groups of 6 torp bombers and a choice between 3/0/2 and 1/2/2

[VTAdmiral]

 

um, Kamikazes were land based purely because Japan didnt have any carriers left. Or did you forget that the Zero fighter( A highly used Kamikaze aircraft) was a naval fighter that was carrier qualified? or the Judy/Val Dive bombers, or Even the Kates?

 

Doesn't matter, they launched from land strips, not carriers. And Japan did have carriers left. The Unryuu and Katsuragi even assisted in post-war repatriation efforts.

[VTAdmiral]

Akagi would probably be T8.

 

 

Why would Akagi be tier 8, Hiryu was an improvement on Akagi and Kaga's designs.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

um, Kamikazes were land based purely because Japan didnt have any carriers left. Or did you forget that the Zero fighter( A highly used Kamikaze aircraft) was a naval fighter that was carrier qualified? or the Judy/Val Dive bombers, or Even the Kates?

There were the unryu class carriers still, kamikaze attacks were an army Air Force thing not a navy thing. 

[Wo_9]

Thanks for the constructive and informative post. I am glad you took the time to post, it really adds to the thread and helped my understanding greatly. 

 

/s

 

i know the feel :<

 

USN CV's =[

[VTAdmiral]

There were the unryu class carriers still, kamikaze attacks were an army Air Force thing not a navy thing. 

 

Well, two out of three anyway. Amagi was sunk in the same harbor bombings that sank Ise and Hyuuga.

 

There's also the matter that the IJN was running out of pilots whereas the IJA/AF could recruit any schmuck off the street, teach him how to get the plane off the ground, and send them out. Carrier deck takeoffs being much harder than land-based airstrip takeoffs also made carrier-based kamikazes pointless since by that time you've sunk so much training into them you generally want to keep them around.

[NightHawkS117]

 

Doesn't matter, they launched from land strips, not carriers. And Japan did have carriers left. The Unryuu and Katsuragi even assisted in post-war repatriation efforts.

 

The Unryu was Sunk by the USS redfish in 1944. the Katsuragi was crippled to the point she could not be used in combat operations, and was never repaired where she could launch aircraft....

Maybe I should have been slightly more specific. Japan had no combat ready Carriers available..   Again, that being the reason they launched from Airfields.

There were the unryu class carriers still, kamikaze attacks were an army Air Force thing not a navy thing. 

 

Hmm, while true, they used alot of Naval aircraft( see previous post for examples of such aircraft.)

[Menemy]

Why would anyone want DBs instead of TBs?

 

You clearly never gotten one shotted by high tier USN CVs with DBs. I prefer TBs but DBs are just as dangerous (That is without counting the fires they start)

[VTAdmiral]

Hmm, while true, they used alot of Naval aircraft( see previous post for examples of such aircraft.)

 

There are still reasons why they were launched from airstrips instead of carriers, other than "few battle-ready carriers", see above.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

Well, two out of three anyway. Amagi was sunk in the same harbor bombings that sank Ise and Hyuuga.

 

There's also the matter that the IJN was running out of pilots whereas the IJA/AF could recruit any schmuck off the street, teach him how to get the plane off the ground, and send them out. Carrier deck takeoffs being much harder than land-based airstrip takeoffs also made carrier-based kamikazes pointless since by that time you've sunk so much training into them you generally want to keep them around.

True but there were many kamikaze attacks before the Amagi Sunk. 

 

I am still wondering why people want kamikazes so bad, it's a one time use desperation tactic. Does not fit with the game well or with cvs that have limited capacity. 

[Mik6669]

Most Kamikaze pilots weren't trained pilots. They were taught to take off, climb, fly in a particular direction and dive. I'm sure that if they even tried kamikazes off carriers, they would have had far fewer actually make it into the sky.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

You clearly never gotten one shotted by high tier USN CVs with DBs. I prefer TBs but DBs are just as dangerous (That is without counting the fires they start)

I have, but I have also seen USN dbs completely miss as well. I prefer consistent damage not something where rng decides who gets screwed. 

 

With TBs I can garrantee hits on a lonely BB or other ship, with dbs you can't garrantee you will hit a stationary ship. 

[TenguBlade]

ha ha ha

 

no

 

Kamikazes were land-based anyway. Stop asking for this stupidity. Nobody with any sense wants it.

 

As for a premium carrier with good dive bombers, take a page from Saipan: Tier 7, Akagi, among her loadouts is 3-1-2 with 10k bombs and tier 9 aircraft. Or use her to test AP bombs.

 

Remember that dive bombers with AP bombs (adapted from 41cm type 1 AP shells from Nagato and Mutsu) did most of the damage to battleships at Pearl Harbor including sinking Arizona. And Akagi participated in Pearl.

The fact that those bombers came from Hiryu aside, they were B5N2 torpedo bombers.  The D3A didn't have the payload capacity to haul a 2000lb bomb.

 

I think the idea of having an IJN carrier revolving around DBs is worth considering.  I suggest, however, that Soryu be the one to get the premium treatment; as a cousin of Hiryu she would be much easier to transition into for IJN CV captains - who will need all the help they can get easing into the American CV life.  If she is going to have her TBs replaced with DBs, it will probably also be necessary to give her higher-tier bombers, as the D3A can't carry more than the 250kg of bombs it has now.  The D4Y on the other hand has the capacity for an 800kg bomb, and so does the B7A.  That would bring the bomb damage about equal to that of the USN dive bombers at T8+ and on Saipan, though the drop circle would have to be increased as compensation.  Maybe equal to 2/3rds the size of Ranger's?

 

Loadouts I had in mind:

-3/3/0 (Japanese iteration of the American T8+ AS loadout with both the bombers to annoy people and the fighters to annoy the other CV)

-2/3/1 (Balanced loadout)

-0/4/2 or 0/5/1 (Wholly strike, just like American CVs)