278 [VOC] StableGenius Beta Testers 1,130 posts 6,779 battles Report post #1 Posted September 24, 2016 So like my topic said: I see the last couple of weeks a lot of rage against Battleship players. Sometimes legit, sometimes not. Lets face it; the main reason why Battleship players of higher tiers won't engage in early game is because of some factors: As you can see and count; 13 DD's.. This game was literally torpedosoup madness... This is just one of the things why slow maneuverable battleships use their range and not engage.. Second; The repair bill is over 275k.. If this was a lose I would pay a lot for a something I couldn't do enough because of the torpedo spam in the water. So lets face it; These are maybe the main reasons why battleship players stay at range. Don't get me wrong; I love to engage in close combat blazing my secondaries away but some games aren't funny. Fun fact: We managed to win this and I got 6 kills (2 battleships and 4 destroyers) as you can see below: So stop complaining in your destroyer or good maneuverable cruiser ;) 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45 [000] RCN_1966FireHorse Members 358 posts 12,284 battles Report post #2 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) So like my topic said: I see the last couple of weeks a lot of rage against Battleship players. Sometimes legit, sometimes not. Lets face it; the main reason why Battleship players of higher tiers won't engage in early game is because of some factors: As you can see and count; 13 DD's.. This game was literally torpedosoup madness... This is just one of the things why slow maneuverable battleships use their range and not engage.. Second; The repair bill is over 275k.. If this was a lose I would pay a lot for a something I couldn't do enough because of the torpedo spam in the water. So lets face it; These are maybe the main reasons why battleship players stay at range. Don't get me wrong; I love to engage in close combat blazing my secondaries away but some games aren't funny. Fun fact: We managed to win this and I got 6 kills (2 battleships and 4 destroyers) as you can see below: So stop complaining in your destroyer or good maneuverable cruiser ;) I could not have said it better... TY for speaking up Mate!!! P.S. "I have to admit though Mate the repair bills in the upper Tiers is beyond ridiculous" Edited September 24, 2016 by NorthBayite 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
819 [WOLFG] 4bRbyHSSzZ6pk Members 4,300 posts Report post #3 Posted September 24, 2016 People are complaining about BBs and DDs though, hard to find a battle which hasn't over half the teams composed solely of one of them. Battles with 6~7 BBs a side are bad, battles with 6~7 DDs a side are bad. Probably battles with 6~7 CAs a side would also be bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
236 iEaTDaGrudge Members 1,699 posts 9,033 battles Report post #4 Posted September 24, 2016 Im happy to see a lot of DD's so BB"s will avoid angle bow..and snipe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,197 Legendary_Typo Members 10,919 posts 4,873 battles Report post #5 Posted September 24, 2016 So stop complaining in your destroyer or good maneuverable cruiser ;) I'm not saying you're wrong, but if I go in there to try and get rid of those DDs with a high tier cruiser, I'll suffer the same repair bill as you, and if I need to do some severe torpedobeats while doing said DD-clubbing, that means I expose my side the the BBs on the enemy team, which means a Yamato double-citadels me and I die. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,183 [PTRGT] mohawkdriver [PTRGT] Members 4,535 posts 17,231 battles Report post #6 Posted September 24, 2016 15 DD's in any game is just out and out B$ Matchmaking. Wargaming needs to fix this, 20 minutes ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
64 [TDM] Thomasis2 Members 152 posts 6,241 battles Report post #7 Posted September 24, 2016 Nice game results Lionel92! Looking at your results (which I know killing 4 dd's isn't the norm), it still shows that BB's are more than capable of neutralizing the dd threat when played properly. I totally understand why you don't rush into the caps, makes no sense when you have torp threat. I still think the biggest issue with high tier play is the economics. I know there are reasons for this, but as everyone seems to agree, when only 3 or 4 players will actually make money while playing tier X, it restricts the game play to the point where I find it boring. It's a bit disappointing to grind a line all the way to tier x and find this type of play once you get there, but I also know a lot of players enjoy the high tier play as well. I don't blame BB's for sniping but as a dd player it is frustrating when there is no support at the caps because cruisers are doing the same thing as the bb's, they are hanging back at the borders of the map avoiding the torp spam. It has been mentioned here before, "tier 9/10 is the hobby, and tier 1-8 is the job to afford the hobby", but I don't find my most enjoyable games at high tiers. WG is working on it though, I hope they figure it out. We are all here to have fun!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
278 [VOC] StableGenius Beta Testers 1,130 posts 6,779 battles Report post #8 Posted September 24, 2016 I'm not saying you're wrong, but if I go in there to try and get rid of those DDs with a high tier cruiser, I'll suffer the same repair bill as you, and if I need to do some severe torpedobeats while doing said DD-clubbing, that means I expose my side the the BBs on the enemy team, which means a Yamato double-citadels me and I die. I know it isn't perfect, even in a cruiser. But I rather fight against 6/7 cruisers then 6/7 destroyers.. The combination of high repair bills, less maneuverable, getting spotted from far away and slow reload, make battleship owners more aware of their surroundings. This is why we are so passive in game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
18 r8z0r Members 24 posts 10,551 battles Report post #9 Posted September 24, 2016 Could not agree more! . One this missing is the player who dies in the first 2 minutes of battle and then spends the whole game complaining about how everyone sucks . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
114 Vinidoanker Members 938 posts 16,048 battles Report post #10 Posted September 24, 2016 1 battles like in the screenshots, 9 battles dead without profit..of course, BB are good( puahaha)..bahahahaaha.. As long as many dd around, there wont be a peace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,940 [ASHIP] Grevester Members 5,454 posts 12,950 battles Report post #11 Posted September 24, 2016 Well, I've seen 11v11 Battleship matches. An egregious amount of a single class is NOT common, so don't use it as a reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 [-I-] Balck_ Members 721 posts 9,624 battles Report post #12 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Im happy to see a lot of DD's so BB"s will avoid angle bow..and snipe. Presenting your bow is the easiest way to avoid torp spreads. So you'are actually contradicting yourself. Edited September 24, 2016 by h_balck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45 [000] RCN_1966FireHorse Members 358 posts 12,284 battles Report post #13 Posted September 24, 2016 I'm not saying you're wrong, but if I go in there to try and get rid of those DDs with a high tier cruiser, I'll suffer the same repair bill as you, and if I need to do some severe torpedobeats while doing said DD-clubbing, that means I expose my side the the BBs on the enemy team, which means a Yamato double-citadels me and I die. Do not worry the DD lines are getting neutered more and more ... Funny eh?.. The most vulnerable being weakened more because people have to vigilant against 20km torp's traveling at 49km an hr. Also with that have a deplorable 2.5 km detection range for example Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
278 [VOC] StableGenius Beta Testers 1,130 posts 6,779 battles Report post #14 Posted September 24, 2016 Nice game results Lionel92! Looking at your results (which I know killing 4 dd's isn't the norm), it still shows that BB's are more than capable of neutralizing the dd threat when played properly. I totally understand why you don't rush into the caps, makes no sense when you have torp threat. I still think the biggest issue with high tier play is the economics. I know there are reasons for this, but as everyone seems to agree, when only 3 or 4 players will actually make money while playing tier X, it restricts the game play to the point where I find it boring. It's a bit disappointing to grind a line all the way to tier x and find this type of play once you get there, but I also know a lot of players enjoy the high tier play as well. I don't blame BB's for sniping but as a dd player it is frustrating when there is no support at the caps because cruisers are doing the same thing as the bb's, they are hanging back at the borders of the map avoiding the torp spam. It has been mentioned here before, "tier 9/10 is the hobby, and tier 1-8 is the job to afford the hobby", but I don't find my most enjoyable games at high tiers. WG is working on it though, I hope they figure it out. We are all here to have fun!! It's very difficult to make money in tier 10 games with a battleship. It's even more difficult when you don't/can't buy premium... This game I made a profit of 59k.. If this was a lose I would definitely pay for it. I admit; I was exciting to get finally my Yamato. But when I got this kind of games where they torpedo your ship from all different angles and I couldn't do anything and still needed to pay a repair bill over 300k, my excitement was over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
278 [VOC] StableGenius Beta Testers 1,130 posts 6,779 battles Report post #15 Posted September 24, 2016 Well, I've seen 11v11 Battleship matches. An egregious amount of a single class is NOT common, so don't use it as a reason. Thats why they changed things to battleships who are shooting at each other. Most of the times battleship players are spotted and getting torped from a save distance.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
236 iEaTDaGrudge Members 1,699 posts 9,033 battles Report post #16 Posted September 24, 2016 Presenting your bow is the easiest way to avoid torp spreads. So you'are actually contradicting yourself. I like you.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
236 iEaTDaGrudge Members 1,699 posts 9,033 battles Report post #17 Posted September 24, 2016 Do not worry the DD lines are getting neutered more and more ... Funny eh?.. The most vulnerable being weakened more because people have to vigilant against 20km torp's traveling at 49km an hr. Also with that have a deplorable 2.5 km detection range for example Great news right..They are not gonna nerf BB's But they will Buff DD's and CA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
236 iEaTDaGrudge Members 1,699 posts 9,033 battles Report post #18 Posted September 24, 2016 So like my topic said: I see the last couple of weeks a lot of rage against Battleship players. Sometimes legit, sometimes not. Lets face it; the main reason why Battleship players of higher tiers won't engage in early game is because of some factors: As you can see and count; 13 DD's.. This game was literally torpedosoup madness... This is just one of the things why slow maneuverable battleships use their range and not engage.. Second; The repair bill is over 275k.. If this was a lose I would pay a lot for a something I couldn't do enough because of the torpedo spam in the water. So lets face it; These are maybe the main reasons why battleship players stay at range. Don't get me wrong; I love to engage in close combat blazing my secondaries away but some games aren't funny. Fun fact: We managed to win this and I got 6 kills (2 battleships and 4 destroyers) as you can see below: So stop complaining in your destroyer or good maneuverable cruiser ;) Good job..Looks like you been killing scrap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
278 [VOC] StableGenius Beta Testers 1,130 posts 6,779 battles Report post #19 Posted September 24, 2016 Good job..Looks like you been killing scrap They where sometimes predictable if that is what you mean but thank you! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45 [000] RCN_1966FireHorse Members 358 posts 12,284 battles Report post #20 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Great news right..They are not gonna nerf BB's But they will Buff DD's and CA! Sorry mate I am confused ??? DD's are losing torp range, speed and detection is so far now you would have to be in total potato mode to get hit now. Sorry if l am misunderstanding Edited September 24, 2016 by NorthBayite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
664 [WOLFX] dechion Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 1,519 posts 5,354 battles Report post #21 Posted September 24, 2016 In warships I did the same thing I did in tanks. I looked at the economy and determined how high up in could play without having to ever worry about negative credit flow. It turns out that for me it's around tier 5 and 6 in both games. I just did my research and decided I won't play higher tiers than those. Not a solution for everyone for sure, and I'm looking at working my way to tier 7 here to try that as well, but it works for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
236 iEaTDaGrudge Members 1,699 posts 9,033 battles Report post #22 Posted September 24, 2016 Sorry mate I am confused ??? DD's are losing torp range, speed and detection is so far now you would have to be in total potato mode to get hit now. Sorry if l am misunderstanding Im confused when you said DD's losing torp range and detection .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
218 Malamute_Kid Members 740 posts 9,789 battles Report post #23 Posted September 24, 2016 Meh. While I agree there's been a lot of [edited]lately for and against BB's and those who play them, just be patient. Sooner or later someone will make another thread about how OP dd stealth is or how OP torpedoes are and they'll forget all about the BB's for awhile. Right now tho BB's are on the front burner. Be patient, it'll pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45 [000] RCN_1966FireHorse Members 358 posts 12,284 battles Report post #24 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Im confused when you said DD's losing torp range and detection .. WOWS is reducing the range of torps.... Then they are slowing torps... and they are making it so torps are noticed a lot sooner... and the DD's detection ranges are getting squeezed so the stealth aspect is diminishing as well... Does that help? I think they cover it here a bit Link: Edited September 24, 2016 by NorthBayite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45 [000] RCN_1966FireHorse Members 358 posts 12,284 battles Report post #25 Posted September 24, 2016 Well, I've seen 11v11 Battleship matches. An egregious amount of a single class is NOT common, so don't use it as a reason. Man are you skilled Mate 80% WR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites