khabarovsk and udaloi range and ROF nerf

[addiboy5207]

So wargaming has nerfed the range and ROF of the khabarovsk and udaloi on the public test server. I am only on the Tashkent, but I'd like to hear how this affects the two ships.

[BrushWolf]

So wargaming has nerfed the range and ROF of the khabarovsk and udaloi on the public test server. I am only on the Tashkent, but I'd like to hear how this affects the two ships.

 

I am not even as far up the Russian DD line but if they can still invisi-fire they are fine.

[Cruiser_Senjo]

Fine .w.c? They still op 

[Nuk_]

The Khabarovsk's nerf is a much-needed change. They'll still be great ships, but not as powerful as before.

[poeticmotion]

 

I am not even as far up the Russian DD line but if they can still invisi-fire they are fine.

 

They can't. Khab range 13.6 with AFT after nerf, invisifire with concealment module but not CE is 14.6

[poeticmotion]

The Khabarovsk's nerf is a much-needed change. They'll still be great ships, but not as powerful as before.

 

They needed a nerf. Even as a Khab driver, I concur with that. The issue is the size of the nerfbat they used. 2km range decrease PLUS ROF decrease? Overkill. 

 

Range nerf or ROF nerf or minor range nerf + ROF nerf, OK. This was too much.

[Shenanigans_8]

I hear that the range nerf is around 2km - while i think it makes the Udaloi and Khab more difficult to play, I don't think it totally breaks them, just need to be more picky about engagements.

 

The RoF nerd is, I think, a 1 sec longer reload - I'm unsure how bad this one is, but loosing 2 or 3 salvos over a 15 second skirmish seems like a lot to me

[B4lduR_28]

13.6 is plenty range with the new rudder shift mod, that was always the biggest weakness of the RU DDs

[Adm_Nate_Ellis937]

Glad they nerfed them. Now they can be @ Fletcher and Gearings level.

[ClockworkSpectre]

I think they over nerfed a bit here.  Yes they needed some "balancing", but I think they were a little heavy handed.  The RoF nerf is fine, but the range nerf took off to much, 1km rather than 2k would have been more appropriate. 

[Mesrith]

They needed a range and/or fire chance nerf, I'm not sure that a rate of fire nerf is necessary on top of the range nerf.  We'll see.

[addiboy5207]

Glad they nerfed them. Now they can be @ Fletcher and Gearings level.

 

On their level in what areas? Range?

[SkyRail]

As a cruiser main captain. I like this nerf(s) a lot. What on earth does a DD outrange my cruiser.......

Is it a overkill ? I don't know. but i know IJN DD captain will definitely say no, cos the torp nerf on IJN DD is more than that.

[centarina]

udaloi is not getting range nerf, just rof nerf.   

[Simzee]

udaloi is not getting range nerf, just rof nerf.   

 

Good!!

[tooboku]

Playing both on public test. Range is fine.

 

... but damn these ships are OP. Felt I was able to do way more than I should have. Being able to go toe to toe with a Zao convinced me of this. Also, not a Shimakaze was left any match with its balls still attached.

 

I could see and ROF nerf being appropriate. Perhaps a small HE buff to even it out but ROF is definitely something to look at. 

[ClockworkSpectre]

As a cruiser main captain. I like this nerf(s) a lot. What on earth does a DD outrange my cruiser.......

Is it a overkill ? I don't know. but i know IJN DD captain will definitely say no, cos the torp nerf on IJN DD is more than that.

 

I have all three Tier 10 DDs and I have to admit I never play the shimakaze anymore.  Between torps nerfs (both direct and indirect) and the ridiculous torp spotting mechanics high tier IJN DD play is very disappointing now.  Hell I have seen Shimakaze players change their builds to make the damn thing a invisifire ship with torps only being an afterthought.  The Gearing is damn near a better torp boat than the Shimakaze as it stands. 

 

As for the Khab I know it is a very strong ship, but I am always weary of WG nerfing anything, I feel they have a tendency to over do it. 

[addiboy5207]

 

I have all three Tier 10 DDs and I have to admit I never play the shimakaze anymore.  Between torps nerfs (both direct and indirect) and the ridiculous torp spotting mechanics high tier IJN DD play is very disappointing now.  Hell I have seen Shimakaze players change their builds to make the damn thing a invisifire ship with torps only being an afterthought.  The Gearing is damn near a better torp boat than the Shimakaze as it stands. 

 

As for the Khab I know it is a very strong ship, but I am always weary of WG nerfing anything, I feel they have a tendency to over do it. 

 

I figured the gearing was a much better torp boat. I kinda gave up on the kagero grind when wg smashed them both with the nerf hammer. I just got the Tashkent and now I've heard they're, once again, nerfing the t9 and t10 I'm going for.

 

[JohnnyThund3rs]

I find it a little bit of a letdown that it seems like every time I'm grinding up a ship line to get the hot ship, it's nerfed before I get there.  

[HazeGrayUnderway]

13.6 is plenty range with the new rudder shift mod, that was always the biggest weakness of the RU DDs

 

What?  Khab is going to get access to some new upgrade to reduce one of her single biggest weaknesses so she can dance like Kiev?  Not sure if WG is serious...

[WhiteRecon]

**insert "Simpson's" Nelson laugh, "HaHa!".

 

I hate nerfs, my Shima was bruised, now my Khaba.  They can give that POS Gearing all the crutches in the world, I will never grind it, lol.  I live to sink Gearings, because they bullied me when I was new in Shima... scarred for life.

 

Don't get me wrong, my Yamato (& sometimes Iowa) doesn't like the KhabaRoast - but the VMF DDs are over-nerfed (even if OP).  They have such horrible specs, yet are so fun to play aggressively.  They attract an aggressive demographic which is probably what pushes their stats high.  I will still play Khaba, but already pulled Captain into Moskva instead.  I would probably dump Khaba for Udaloi if it wasn't receiving similar nerf (I need a T9 DD & Udaloi was fun w/ 60% win rate).

 

** Remove the 2km additional detection penalty while firing along with these nerfs - it's just silly to make up mechanics to suppress a ship, and with range clipped it's no longer "needed".

[ap77_1]

A sad day for this Khab captain.  I will be drinking much vodka tonight for my fallen comrade.  

[Hootsifer]

So Russian DD and USN DD now have comparable ranges, with a slight damage difference, the USN has torp range advantage,  RU has speed advantage, USN has concealment advantage,   not sure who will have ROF advantage.  This nerf may be needed but I think they hit it too hard on a DD that rely's on its guns for pretty much its complete survival.

[SkyRail]

So Russian DD and USN DD now have comparable ranges, with a slight damage difference, the USN has torp range advantage,  RU has speed advantage, USN has concealment advantage,   not sure who will have ROF advantage.  This nerf may be needed but I think they hit it too hard on a DD that rely's on its guns for pretty much its complete survival.

 

They do have comparable range, but the Khab will perform better at longer range while gearing would be better in shorter range. Russian DD will still be very strong against other DD, just not as annoying to the CA and BB.

Srsly, I saw Khab gun down a New Orleans at 13 km. They are just out kiting the cruiser right now.

 

It might be my personal bias, I don't think Russian were really that good anyway, and thus their fictional paper ship shouldn't be as good as it is now.

[Simzee]

Patch notes still say range nerf to udaloi but I'm on 5.12 and not seeing any range change in port, reload is up though.