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Bismarck....way too strong

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 I recently acquired the Bismarck and for me this ship is way overpowered.  I can just rush straight in...obliterate dds and cruisers with my secondary guns Starting 9 to 20 fires along with my normal heavy duty guns blasting them away without fear of being cit penned. I even charge straight at Montana's with no fear and sink them. This ship is going to get a nerf, it's way too strong for tier 8. I mean....It's like night and day against a north Carolina. Why even play us bbs anymore? The aa in the Bismarck is almost nearly as good. With better repairs, better guns, better secondaries, better armor. I feel dirty playing this ship

 

 

 

....oh yea and to top it off, hydro acoustic search and 10.6 km secondaries.

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Guess you have not played on PT yet

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wait til the nerf next patch, your bow armors going bye bye!:trollface:

 

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wait til the nerf next patch, your bow armors going bye bye!:trollface:

 

Isn't as likely to have as much effect on German BB's as it will on others...

In fact I saw little difference in the few games I did this morning, but only played German.

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You know it's going to get a nerf real soon. I can't see how they allowed this to happen in the first place.

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 I recently acquired the Bismarck and for me this ship is way overpowered.  I can just rush straight in...obliterate dds and cruisers with my secondary guns Starting 9 to 20 fires along with my normal heavy duty guns blasting them away without fear of being cit penned. I even charge straight at Montana's with no fear and sink them. This ship is going to get a nerf, it's way too strong for tier 8. I mean....It's like night and day against a north Carolina. Why even play us bbs anymore? The aa in the Bismarck is almost nearly as good. With better repairs, better guns, better secondaries, better armor. I feel dirty playing this ship

 

 

 

....oh yea and to top it off, hydro acoustic search and 10.6 km secondaries.

 

If anything bismarck has fair secondaries that with 15 captain skill will make it really hard for DDs to get in close for an easy kill and that's the way it should be with any BBS who owns strong secondaries. Bismarck main battery is nothing spectacular and the ship has ridiculous slow rudder time .

 

You saying It is way too strong for T8= Dedicated USN or DD player spotted.

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Bismarck is a strong ship, but for general T8 BB power I'd still take Amagi.

 

Nah, I never took to the Amagi. I always picked the wrong time to fire the 2 forward and 2 rear turrets and would always take a citadel in return. Against cruisers, that ship was boss though. 

 

I do not want the German Battleships to get nerds just yet. The idea behind the Germans in the first place was to give weaker mains(accuracy) in favour of reliable secondaries when you close the distance. If you took the Hydro away, then ships like the Freddy would become barely playable because that turn radius.... 

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My N.C would disagree with that statement.  Here is the thing you cannot and I mean cannot play to a bismarks strengths as the opponent.  You must make them battle you not you battle them.  If you get sucked into a 10k brawl with a bismark you deserve to die.  So if your headed towards a bismark and its headed towards you then  you need to make a course correction and keep 12km between the two of you.  The bismark does not need a nerf because it does what its suppose to do.  Thats half the problem with this game now.  To much balance this and balance that.  We might as well just give all the ships all the same features And guns etc etc and just let pure skill determine the outcomes.

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Guess the Bismark I one shotted in my NC isn't feeling too OP... yeah it was really that EPIC!! woot!   It was ocean, and he was ranting on how much he hated the map, I was saying I love it...he was broadside replying and whammo!  I almost fell off my chair...and boy the chat got real good then lol.

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Well. I guess it is a good thing I wasn't able to pick it up quite yet. Considering my terrible performance (28% win and 60k average damage...yuck) in the Gnesineau, I'm glad I won't have to have my next ship feel weaker after I bought it.

 

Looking forward to this iconic bad-boy in any case. 

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Guess the Bismark I one shotted in my NC isn't feeling too OP... yeah it was really that EPIC!! woot!   It was ocean, and he was ranting on how much he hated the map, I was saying I love it...he was broadside replying and whammo!  I almost fell off my chair...and boy the chat got real good then lol.

 

I did a Bismarck who went into smoke while in my Friedrich Der Grosse... Good times, great classic hits

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In order to have 10.6 km range for secondaries, you have to scarify a lot for its main guns. That ship is no thread at long range.

You feel it's OP only because it FITS your stay style. You are aggressive and the ship rewards you for it. Give the ship for a camper who only shot from afar and see how he would feel. German ships suck at ranges greater than 14km.

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In order to have 10.6 km range for secondaries, you have to scarify a lot for its main guns. That ship is no thread at long range.

You feel it's OP only because it FITS your stay style. You are aggressive and the ship rewards you for it. Give the ship for a camper who only shot from afar and see how he would feel. German ships suck at ranges greater than 14km.

 

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Don't worry, it won't get a nerf til I finally get it. Then just like I got Mogami the week of the nerf, it will be nerfed.

 

Take your time then Chokai, hinestly- there is no rush to get to Tier 8

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Don't worry, it won't get a nerf til I finally get it. Then just like I got Mogami the week of the nerf, it will be nerfed.

 

Psss, hey, I will pay you 5000 doubloons if you never research it. Some cookies too if you never research any German ships at all

 

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Psss, hey, I will pay you 5000 doubloons if you never research it. Some cookies too if you never research any German ships at all

 

 

Stop stealing my +1s.you now have more than I have given out on a single day

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Take your time then Chokai, hinestly- there is no rush to get to Tier 8

Nah I agree. I was rushing, but stopped halfway in the Kaiser because I was tired of so many BBs per side. Now I'm grinding again simply because now there aren't SO MANY. Annoyingly, hard to get high WTR in them since there was so much HP to go around a month ago. Nassau and Kaiser are so low compared to my other III and IVs -.- in time though it'll go up as average damage goes down.

 

Psss, hey, I will pay you 5000 doubloons if you never research it. Some cookies too if you never research any German ships at all

 

Hmmmm.... Sounds like a fair deal. I'm at Yorck in German Cruisers though... It's my favorite CA. Everyone thinks it's still bad but it's a beast.

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Hmm, I see the Bismarck's secondaries as strong but not OP, maybe its because I'm so used to playing the Tirpitz with its TORPS. I also remember the "Torps are OP!!" part of the Tirpitz launch as well. I haven't gone for the manual secondaries yet, maybe that makes all the difference...just haven't wanted to spend the loons on it, as I despise having to spend loons to shuffle my captain skills.

 

It's been a little bit since I've played the NC but the AA does not seem as good on the Bismarck as it did on the NC, especially as I've seen so many higher tier CV's in my 12 Bismarck games thus far.

 

Even going against a Bismark hasn't been a big deal I know its strengths/weaknesses and plan accordingly. 

 

So far Tirpitz torps are stronger the Bismarck secondaries imo.

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Hmm, I see the Bismarck's secondaries as strong but not OP, maybe its because I'm so used to playing the Tirpitz with its TORPS. I also remember the "Torps are OP!!" part of the Tirpitz launch as well. I haven't gone for the manual secondaries yet, maybe that makes all the difference...just haven't wanted to spend the loons on it, as I despise having to spend loons to shuffle my captain skills.

 

It's been a little bit since I've played the NC but the AA does not seem as good on the Bismarck as it did on the NC, especially as I've seen so many higher tier CV's in my 12 Bismarck games thus far.

 

Even going against a Bismark hasn't been a big deal I know its strengths/weaknesses and plan accordingly. 

 

So far Tirpitz torps are stronger the Bismarck secondaries imo.

 

Well now that everyone is getting dragon flags, time to train a new manual captain

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Yeah, the Bismarck and the German BB line as a whole is pretty OP. The only ships in the game that shouldn't have citadels are DDs. You can't just have something like a BB be invulnerable to taking heavy hits, Wehraboo-inspired turtleback armour or not.

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Well now that everyone is getting dragon flags, time to train a new manual captain

That +200% weekend, even in Co-Op. Plus knowing German BBs were coming... My Kaiser Captain is 1 pt away from AFT, and like 7k xp. Gonna be glorious.

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Yea I guess I could do that with my Sharnhorst captain, I should have 600 of those flags headed my way. Starting at the Bayern I threw my 18 point Tirpitz captain in my German BB grind.

 

 

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Yeah, the Bismarck and the German BB line as a whole is pretty OP. The only ships in the game that shouldn't have citadels are DDs. You can't just have something like a BB be invulnerable to taking heavy hits. Even the Yamato can be citadelled.

 

Actually, the German ships have citadels. They are just well protected. 

 

Also note that the time to citadel a German is when they are turning away from you- so you can catch the ship while it is listing. 

 

As much as I love my Freddy, if a battleship catches me in a turn, my HP disappears pretty quickly

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