Secondary build is best build for German BBs

[Bfizzle]

 

In case you weren't convinced. And FYI I didn't fire a single HE shell all game

[MajorRenegade]

 

In case you weren't convinced. And FYI I didn't fire a single HE shell all game

and detail report will prove that. but don't see that

[ValkyrWarframe]

I didn't fire a single HE shell all game

"Bad German HE" right?  *sets fires with every hit*

[TenguBlade]

 

 

 

 

[Bfizzle]

and detail report will prove that. but don't see that

 

https://gyazo.com/eea806e048dd7dd0de1b77d47596e1a3

[Stauffenberg44]

Yes I've had "OP!" yelled at me after they are getting shotgunned by 10.6 km secondaries. Seems like it was quite the shock.

 

Say hello to the BIsmarck gentlemen.

[YamatoA150]

A pair of DDs raged at me when my Kurfurst took both of them down (don't have Manual Secondaries yet) while I was completely focused on dodging their torps and sinking this other battleship coming at me.

 

I'd say it's a great setup to run for the KM BBs in general, though slightly losing a km or two in exchange for slightly better dispersion seems to help me land more main shots.

[Bfizzle]

[Jenska]

Yeah, I ran the Tirpitz in PT with full secondaries and a 15 pt capt and it was a death machine in tight, and I'm a crappy BB player at that.

OTH 952 shots, 265 hits and 18 fires in a 14 minute match. Nice to have a LOT of guns......

[Bfizzle]

Also all these high caliber defeats are getting annoying

[teamoldmill]

Nice and all, but points to crappy game mechanics. If a BB needs its secondaries to do the heavy lifting, it is a flawed ship or flawed tiering. And no ship should require a eleventy point captain to get competitive.

[Bfizzle]

Nice and all, but points to crappy game mechanics. If a BB needs its secondaries to do the heavy lifting, it is a flawed ship or flawed tiering. And no ship should require a eleventy point captain to get competitive.

 

In all of those games my primary 15" guns did the most damage, the secondary guns just added a significant amount to boost the damage total

[Herr_Reitz]

Wait... you do know if it is proven, the Nerf Hammer will surely follow! 

 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

A pair of DDs raged at me when my Kurfurst took both of them down (don't have Manual Secondaries yet) while I was completely focused on dodging their torps and sinking this other battleship coming at me.

 

I'd say it's a great setup to run for the KM BBs in general, though slightly losing a km or two in exchange for slightly better dispersion seems to help me land more main shots.

 

IMO, for those upper tier German BBs, Main Battery Build is just as enticing.  Faster reload on top of reducing the dispersion of those 420mm guns to 249m (GK value) is nice.

[teamoldmill]

 

In all of those games my primary 15" guns did the most damage, the secondary guns just added a significant amount to boost the damage total

 

That secondary boost will allow less than stellar players to get the overall ship average up. Lowers the skill floor is all, actually lowers the ceiling as well since a large portion of your game is now just automatic. I just don't like that.

 

Put it this way.... take away some range from the Yamato's secondaries, would it be a bad ship? Nope, would still crush. Take them away from the T8-10 Germans? Pukey ships. And the other ships do not rely on that high skilled captain to remain in the race. Then again, only a few hundred people playing this game it seems like and they are are dedicated, guess 15 point captains are the standard.

[Vaidency]

 

That secondary boost will allow less than stellar players to get the overall ship average up. Lowers the skill floor is all, actually lowers the ceiling as well since a large portion of your game is now just automatic. I just don't like that.

 

Put it this way.... take away some range from the Yamato's secondaries, would it be a bad ship? Nope, would still crush. Take them away from the T8-10 Germans? Pukey ships. And the other ships do not rely on that high skilled captain to remain in the race. Then again, only a few hundred people playing this game it seems like and they are are dedicated, guess 15 point captains are the standard.

 

I'm not really convinced that having powerful secondary batteries lowers the skill floor for a ship.  Getting high damage out of a secondary battery requires you to get close to enemy ships and then stay there for some time without getting obliterated by focus fire or torpedoes.  It's not "free" damage because fighting less than 10 km from your target is inherently less safe than fighting 15 km away instead.

 

Also, I'm quite happy that the German BB's have powerful secondaries because it has a positive effect on the high-tier metagame.  I like having ships that are encouraged to push into close quarters and engage enemies at medium to short range.  High tier play needs that so badly right now.

[Stauffenberg44]

 

I'm not really convinced that having powerful secondary batteries lowers the skill floor for a ship.  Getting high damage out of a secondary battery requires you to get close to enemy ships and then stay there for some time without getting obliterated by focus fire or torpedoes.  It's not "free" damage because fighting less than 10 km from your target is inherently less safe than fighting 15 km away instead.

 

Also, I'm quite happy that the German BB's have powerful secondaries because it has a positive effect on the high-tier metagame.  I like having ships that are encouraged to push into close quarters and engage enemies at medium to short range.  High tier play needs that so badly right now.

 

Yes, agreed. But I knew there would be whining about the Bismarck; they whined about the Tirpitz having torps as well.

There is a definite skill set in using your secondaries to good effect. Setting up various BBs for amplified secondary fire and range is about as "legit" as it can get for a battleship, WoW or RL.

[spike8760]

[Stauffenberg44]

 

Whoosh. Nice one.

[Jenska]

Also all these high caliber defeats are getting annoying

I don't know about annoying, but I have noticed lately that some of MY best games (IJN dd) have been loses. I don't know if that means there were just more targets left for me or what or if the damage and capping gets divie'd up more evenly when a team wins, and doesn't need any ONE person to carry the match.

[teamoldmill]

I don't know about annoying, but I have noticed lately that some of MY best games (IJN dd) have been loses. I don't know if that means there were just more targets left for me or what or if the damage and capping gets divie'd up more evenly when a team wins, and doesn't need any ONE person to carry the match.

 

Usually the last man standing on a defeat gets serious damage as they are running away, enemy gets more bold to get the kill, etc.