Why in God's name WG?

[DemarticusStone]

I know I spoke good about WG for the User Music, and that still stands, but REALLY WG?! Re-adding the Saipan?

 

That totally won't break Tier 5-6 Gameplay when they get Tier 7 matches 

 

I'm sorry but, I don't care HOW much hate I get for this, that thing is ridiculous, it can carry horribad teams, and not even have to try.

 

Even surrounded by CA's, that thing is almost impervious to Tier 5-6 CA Anti-Air guns.

[Royeaux]

Is this really a holy matter?

[MajorRenegade]

*me playing in my Saipan* what?

[DemarticusStone]

Is this really a holy matter?

 

Yes, considering I don't like my matches being ruined by something that should be a Special Rewards Ship instead of handing them out all willy-nilly.

[poeticmotion]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last. 

 

Saipan is terrible in the hands of a terrible CV player. It's good in the hands of a good CV player. Not game breaking, not OP. Yes, she gets better planes, but she gets much smaller squadrons. She's only OP if the captain has air supremacy skill. 

[DemarticusStone]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last. 

 

How is this Toxic? Explain how this is Toxic, because I seriously don't see it.

[MajorRenegade]

 

How is this Toxic? Explain how this is Toxic, because I seriously don't see it.

ranting = toxic.

[DemarticusStone]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last. 

 

Saipan is terrible in the hands of a terrible CV player. It's good in the hands of a good CV player. Not game breaking, not OP. Yes, she gets better planes, but she gets much smaller squadrons. She's only OP if the captain has air supremacy skill. 

 

...It gets 8 Dive Bombers, Tier 9 Dive Bombers, yeah, not game breaking at all.

[DemarticusStone]

ranting = toxic.

 

Then yeah, oh yeah, I'm toxic, because this thing does NOT need to be in game as an "available to anyone" premium ship.

[paradat]

hmmm yeah Saipan I need to pick that up.

[Nuk_]

All this thread has done is give further reason for me to get the Saipan.

[TheBlackWind]

 

...It gets 8 Dive Bombers, Tier 9 Dive Bombers, yeah, not game breaking at all.

 

Ranger gets 12 doesn't it? Why no Ranger rage?

[Estimated_Prophet]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last. 

 

Saipan is terrible in the hands of a terrible CV player. It's good in the hands of a good CV player. Not game breaking, not OP. Yes, she gets better planes, but she gets much smaller squadrons. She's only OP if the captain has air supremacy skill. 

 

Like I use it with?

 

The ONLY reason I even use my Saipan is I can put an Air Supremacy Captain into it. Doesn't do much for the Strike package, but the extra fighters seem to make a BIG difference with the divebomber package; and it never hurts (except the enemy,) to have an extra 1,000lb bomb to drop.

Ranger gets 12 (divebombers) doesn't it? Why no Ranger rage?

 

Actually, Ranger full Strike is 18 divebombers. 0-1-3, same as Lexington, just 500lb bombs instead of 1,000lb.

 

Really, really a mean setup if the enemy CV driver is clueless about how to deal with it.

 

[knightfaII]

salty much? on a more serious note, I was on the fence about buying the Saipan but now that I see how OP everyone says it is, and how "new" players should not have one, I cant shove $45 in WG face fast enough.

I can use another OP ship

 

oh and I don't ever play CV's so see you in battle DemarticusStone

[Unkle_Grimace]

 

How is this Toxic? Explain how this is Toxic, because I seriously don't see it.

 

 

"The taste of your lips
I'm on a ride
You're toxic I'm slippin' under
With a taste of a poison paradise..."

 

[goldeagle1123]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last.

 

Saipan is terrible in the hands of a terrible CV player. It's good in the hands of a good CV player. Not game breaking, not OP. Yes, she gets better planes, but she gets much smaller squadrons. She's only OP if the captain has air supremacy skill.

 

You can say that about literally any ship in the game. Kagero? Yeah she's OP in the right hands. Nikolai? Yeah she's trash in the hands of a noob. Saipan is OP, and I think it's pretty ridiculous that it's been added to the tech tree. Makes me not even want to bother grinding out a tier 7 CV.

[Cronans]

The small squads of the Saipan get shredded by any ship with a moderate amount of AA.  Send both of your torp squads in on any battleship and only 0 -  2 planes make it back to the carrier.

The dive bomber squad takes forever to reload and misses a large portion of its bombs.

The small fighter squads get eaten quickly.  If your running air superiority you run out of fighters fast as it's hanger is small.

 

I would hate for NOOB CV players to buy this ship not because they will become op but because they will become very frustrated with it's high skill cap.

 

Super OP CV.  (not)

[ice34]

I know I spoke good about WG for the User Music, and that still stands, but REALLY WG?! Re-adding the Saipan?

 

That totally won't break Tier 5-6 Gameplay when they get Tier 7 matches 

 

I'm sorry but, I don't care HOW much hate I get for this, that thing is ridiculous, it can carry horribad teams, and not even have to try.

 

Even surrounded by CA's, that thing is almost impervious to Tier 5-6 CA Anti-Air guns.

I agree with your points..... the CV has tier 9 planes that can be placed into tier 5-6 MM..... most ships if not all can hardly deal with planes from those tiers, other than maybe the  cleveland cruisers...... even tier 7s have a hard time trying to protect themselves from it...... in my opinion the Saipan should be a tier 8 if anything  at all.

[LubzinNJ]

I knew the new, less-toxic DemarticusStone was too good to last. 

 

Saipan is terrible in the hands of a terrible CV player. It's good in the hands of a good CV player. Not game breaking, not OP. Yes, she gets better planes, but she gets much smaller squadrons. She's only OP if the captain has air supremacy skill. 

 

...It gets 8 Dive Bombers, Tier 9 Dive Bombers, yeah, not game breaking at all.

That take forever to reload. And don't all hit with their bombs. And most of the time you don't get fire damage over time because the just repair it. It's a fun ship, I really really enjoy mine...but I also haven't taken it out from dry dock in a few months since I bought it first go around. If I weren't limited on play time these days I'd totally be taking it out again though.

[SinqueScheiDeMona]

I realized I would have to go back and play carriers for a while to utilize Saipan correctly...so she's been sitting in port for a long time.

[Skyfaller]

fyi saipan dive bombers are on its air superiority loadout...and there's only enough replacement planes to replenish the squadron once.

 

Tier 5 and 6 cruiser AA chew through these bombers well enough, I expect to lose half per attack run on any ship that is near an AA cruiser.

 

Thing is, saipan avoids AA ships and focuses the bombers on DDs and BBs with low AA. No different from what USN carriers with AS loadout do. The big difference is the 1k bomb on these dive bombers... which does hurt IF it hits and any ship can avoid most bomb hits by merely being on a full rudder turn when the bombers do the attack (just rudder to full doesnt do it, the ship HAS to be actually turning).

 

Considering this is a whine on the one, single attack squadron this carrier's air superiority loadout can do, its hilarious. He's pissed about a single squadron that can barely hit 8 ships in the whole game (time wise considering flying time and reloading time).

[IronWolfV]

All i have to say is:

 

[SandraSmiles]

hmmm- thanks for the heads up.

I haven't looked into the tech tree since the update.

 

There it is..SAIPAN

 

She's in port now....

Maybe you should Saipan too

[Kuckoo]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about the Saipan.  Been in countless matches with and against it, and it leaves an impression that is no different from what I'd expect of any other carrier in it's tier spread.

 

[RockaholicRaven]

WG has made it blatantly obvious the only thing they care about is putting their hands in our wallets. Saipan is and always will be the most broken premium ship in the game it is literally the only premium ship I can absolutely say 100% without a doubt is a pay to win ship. Tier 9 planes forced to fight against tier 7 planes talk about giving the special needs cv players the biggest crutch to play on.