Excessive profanity... what qualifies as it?

[1HandTiedBehindMyBack]

So I got this and it lead me to some questions:

 

You are receiving this email because you were reported for, and found to be engaging in, Excessive profanity.

 

Specifically, you were observed (Excessive profanity).

 

This is a violation of our rules and if it happens again your account will be sanctioned.

 

For more information on our rules violation policy, check out this article: https://na.wargaming.net/support/kb/articles/680

 

Sincerely,

Wargaming Customer Support

 

So not wanting to get a strike (since there is no way to remove them) I went to the link (that wasn't an actual link, top notch design gang...even funnier when copy and pasted into this it turns into a link?) and it only explains the new 5 strike system but nothing about what qualifes for a strike.

 

So if I swear one time its ok but 3 isn't, or 5, what about multiple times over a day?  So the rub on putting in a permanent system is you sure better be sure to be clear what will or won't get you a strike but WG decided not to do that.

 

So does this one warning cover all chat topics, not just excessive profanity?  And why does this even exist when they have a built in chat filter? (nothing was typed so as to avoid the filter)

 

So its ok for a person to play a competitive PVP game and not even try but it is wrong for a team mate to get frustrated?  What got me this warning is I turned into a friendly ship to avoid fire (it was my bad I said I was sorry) then that person kept turning into me so that I could not get free even while reversing using me as a shield vs enemy fire while he kept firing putting 1/2 his shots into me)  So they claim they read the chat logs and so I clearly experssed why I was angry and that is not a factor?  (oh the super star in question got 14 exp as our top BB, and is a 44% player)

 

So maybe a suggestion to WG if your going to hand out these prema strikes with 0 way possible to be removed then maybe you should give a few examples of ways that a person can get them! 

 

Oh and funny they left in the broken system where people can use multiple complaints to get a person auto chat banned, and then even funnier they won't respond before the ban is over!

[StingRayOne]

Any in chat is too much, Any F bomb, S bomb, Any mention in a negative manner about play ability, race , religion.    Most likely you were reported before a couple of times and you finally got the warning. its really simple to solve be clean, be nice or be quiet.

 

Good luck

[Czevak]

Don't call anyone out.

 

Mind as well just mute chat lol else you'll see this eventually: 

 

REPETITIVE AND EXCESSIVE GAME VIOLATIONS. ESCALATED SANCTIONS ISSUED.

-Staff

[Edgecase]

If you got an e-mail, it's because someone escalated it to the humans in customer support, and they agreed that, in context, it was excessive. There's not really a hard and fast rule about it, like you can swear up to twice before you get in trouble, because those rules are all kinda gameable.

 

As for the incident itself, I don't think WG would say it's okay to go nuts in chat no matter what kind of stupidity is happening in game.

 

Edit: I don't speak for WG on any official level.

[The_GoDDfather]

I think more than once...

I can get telling "****!" after getting nuked or losing an important engagement. Other than that, no real reason to.

[Sirus_Patton]

Quite frankly censoring foul language should only occur if one is deliberately trying to circumvent the chat filter.  You don't want to see naughty words, turn the filter on.

[Admiral_Ice]

i'll *#$@#  tell you when we #$*) want your *)(@@!# input allright you _@#$#!@!!!

[Need_More_Bullets]

I don't need such words to make my point. Even when you're just joking, such words are probably inappropriate. And if you think you have to use them to maintain your "gamer" persona, think again. It's just lame, boring and unimaginative. The dictionary is full of words, don't limit yourself to the four letter variety.

[CorradoG60]

"A note of investigations.

 

only violations reported through tickets will be subject to this policy. Violations that are automated ,such as the World of Tanks teamkill system,have their own escalation policy."

 

 

So from what I read on this if someone sends in a ticket on you then it will be reviewed and a strike given.

It's amazing what one can find out by actually reading

[TenguBlade]

I've yet to be reported myself for this, despite my tendency to be a little caustic at times.  Most likely you pissed off the wrong people, intentionally tried to circumvent the filter, or engaged in hate speech, used slurs, stuff to that effect.

[paradat]

Swear all you want , just don't do it in chat.

[pmgaudio]

[Crucis]

I can't speak for in game chat, but I think that there's considerable bias on the part of the mods here on the forum.  Different people seem to have different opinions about what is offensive and what isn't, and there's no making sense of it.

 

One can use the word for a female dog as a verb, which to me is 100% inoffensive and means "to complain", and get zinged by the mods.  OTOH, people can use works like the ick word for the male sex organ or the sh-word for defecation (with stain added to the end) and those words don't get censored at all, despite repeated reports.  Something is very wrong with this.  Then the mods will say that they can't talk about any of it and will say that it's been reported.  Of course, you can reply to them, of course I know it was reported, because I was the one who reported it in the first place!  Whatever.

 

There's just no consistency here when it comes to what offends and what doesn't.  I'd like to say that this needs to end, but does anyone really think that it will?  I don't.

 

 

[Crucis]

Quite frankly censoring foul language should only occur if one is deliberately trying to circumvent the chat filter.  You don't want to see naughty words, turn the filter on.

 

What also gets me here on the forum is the offending word filter.  There are some people who will constantly swear and don't give a bleep about the filter.  It will just leave an "[e d i t e d]" (my spaces to prove I didn't use a "bad" word) in place of what they really said.  I wish that the filter would just remove the offending word completely with no [e d i t e d] "blackout" of the bad word.  The blackout really doesn't make the bad word go away, and it doesn't take much, if any, imagination to guess what word was used in the context of the post.  But if the word was removed any blackout in its place, it would defeat the desire of the offending poster to spew his profanity laced posts on the forum. 

 

Does this make me a bit of a language prude?  I hope not.  I swear occasionally IRL.  But I'm not one of those people who has to use the F-word every 4th word of a sentence either, even when I'm really angry.  But heck, these days, there seem to be  some people who can't even communicate when they're not angry without resorting to 2-4 F-bombs per sentence.  It's sad.

 

 

[Super_Dreadnought]

Creating posts or threads to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a player by moderation is itself also a violation of forum rules. Perhaps OP you should familiarise yourself with them sooner rather than latter.

 

I can't speak for in game chat, but I think that there's considerable bias on the part of the mods here on the forum.  Different people seem to have different opinions about what is offensive and what isn't, and there's no making sense of it.

 

One can use the word for a female dog as a verb, which to me is 100% inoffensive and means "to complain", and get zinged by the mods.  OTOH, people can use works like the ick word for [edited]or the sh-word for defecation (with stain added to the end) and those words don't get censored at all, despite repeated reports.  Something is very wrong with this.  Then the mods will say that they can't talk about any of it and will say that it's been reported.  Of course, you can reply to them, of course I know it was reported, because I was the one who reported it in the first place!  Whatever.

 

There's just no consistency here when it comes to what offends and what doesn't.  I'd like to say that this needs to end, but does anyone really think that it will?  I don't.

 

 

 

The only thing consistent about moderation is that they are inconsistent. In the end they are only human and will interpret things differently, and will be subject to bias towards or against particular groups as we all are. I imagine those who had a history of making a racket are kept on a shorter leash than those who tend to stay out of trouble.

 

My understanding is that WG do keep a blacklist around. I remember that there was one guy, who was basically barred from alpha testing for previous bad behavior accumulated from the WoT forum and here. It was pretty much a running joke back then how his numerous applications (and the 'why I didn't get chosen' whine posts) were just ignored.

[Teahee]

Just be civil all the time. It's easy to get mad at subpar teams or seemingly handicapped players, however swearing will only get yourself banned.

[Crucis]

 

The only thing consistent about moderation is that they are inconsistent. In the end they are only human and will interpret things differently, and will be subject to bias towards or against particular groups as we all are. I imagine those who had a history of making a racket are kept on a shorter leash than those who tend to stay out of trouble.

 

True,  though I'm not even talking about anything even remotely political.  I'm talking about how different people view different words.  Seriously, if a word is so barely edgy that different people view it differently, shouldn't that be a sign that perhaps someone should NOT get zinged by the mod for the word.  Oh, maybe a mild warning, but never a permanent warning.  When it comes to "offensive" words, it seems like it should have to be seen as offensive to a wide spectrum of people, and have little room for argument that it's an offensive word.

 

Bah.  It's just frustrating to get zinged by mods for using words that seem utterly inoffensive, particularly when the word can be used in multiple contexts, some which might ... might ... be offensive and others that absolute are not.  And honestly, if someone cannot tell the difference between such contexts, then perhaps they shouldn't be moderating.

 

 

[Crucis]

Just be civil all the time. It's easy to get mad at subpar teams or seemingly handicapped players, however swearing will only get yourself banned.

 

 

Teahee, the problem is that even with "civility", there's room for disagreement over what is or isn't "civil".  Some people might see being civil as being utterly milquetoast in a conversation, while others might see civility as avoiding any obscenities, but leaving room for non-obscene, yet tough and forthright language.    So what then is "civility"?

 

 

[Tachnechdorus]

why don't you virgin ears grow some thicker skin , hate to see how you folks would deal in the real world .

[1HandTiedBehindMyBack]

"A note of investigations.

 

only violations reported through tickets will be subject to this policy. Violations that are automated ,such as the World of Tanks teamkill system,have their own escalation policy."

 

 

So from what I read on this if someone sends in a ticket on you then it will be reviewed and a strike given.

It's amazing what one can find out by actually reading

 

Sigh funny you say that but don't read yourself! What is a violation, because right now you have some random person at WG deciding your fate with only 5 strikes FOREVER with no way to remove them. 

[BladedPheonix]

 

ZOMG I'm dying here! its so funny!

[Crucis]

why don't you virgin ears grow some thicker skin , hate to see how you folks would deal in the real world .

 

I always find this "thicker skin" argument to be rather lame.  IMO, we should be striving for a higher common denominator society, not the lowest common denominator society.  We should be striving to be the best we can be, not just succumbing to the lowest of the low.

[CAPTMUDDXX]

simple solution Do Not Use Profanity

[poeticmotion]

Bah.  It's just frustrating to get zinged by mods for using words that seem utterly inoffensive, particularly when the word can be used in multiple contexts, some which might ... might ... be offensive and others that absolute are not.  

 

Try getting in trouble at work for a word that just sounds like it might be offensive. I used to be a manager for a store called Quiktrip (if you live in the midwest or southeast US you might be familiar with them) ten years ago and I was suspended from work once because I told a customer to have a stupendous day. They actually called corporate and complained that I called them stupid, because they didn't know what stupendous meant and assumed it was related. And work actually suspended me even though they knew it was not meant to be offensive, because they said I should have exercised better judgment in not using vocabulary people wouldn't understand. Yes, apparently the word stupendous is too high-falutin for most people. 

 

That was the moment I decided to go back and finish my degree. That changed my life. Hilarious in retrospect. 

[Gnarspall]

So I got this and it lead me to some questions:

 

You are receiving this email because you were reported for, and found to be engaging in, Excessive profanity.

 

Specifically, you were observed (Excessive profanity).

 

This is a violation of our rules and if it happens again your account will be sanctioned.

 

For more information on our rules violation policy, check out this article: https://na.wargaming.net/support/kb/articles/680

 

Sincerely,

Wargaming Customer Support

 

So not wanting to get a strike (since there is no way to remove them) I went to the link (that wasn't an actual link, top notch design gang...even funnier when copy and pasted into this it turns into a link?) and it only explains the new 5 strike system but nothing about what qualifes for a strike.

 

So if I swear one time its ok but 3 isn't, or 5, what about multiple times over a day?  So the rub on putting in a permanent system is you sure better be sure to be clear what will or won't get you a strike but WG decided not to do that.

 

So does this one warning cover all chat topics, not just excessive profanity?  And why does this even exist when they have a built in chat filter? (nothing was typed so as to avoid the filter)

 

So its ok for a person to play a competitive PVP game and not even try but it is wrong for a team mate to get frustrated?  What got me this warning is I turned into a friendly ship to avoid fire (it was my bad I said I was sorry) then that person kept turning into me so that I could not get free even while reversing using me as a shield vs enemy fire while he kept firing putting 1/2 his shots into me)  So they claim they read the chat logs and so I clearly experssed why I was angry and that is not a factor?  (oh the super star in question got 14 exp as our top BB, and is a 44% player)

 

So maybe a suggestion to WG if your going to hand out these prema strikes with 0 way possible to be removed then maybe you should give a few examples of ways that a person can get them! 

 

Oh and funny they left in the broken system where people can use multiple complaints to get a person auto chat banned, and then even funnier they won't respond before the ban is over!

I cuss and swear excessively all day everyday I do not see the problem with it, especially with a filter that is available to anyone. Maybe I can filter adolescent players and goodey two shoes from my battle queue's?