Tech Tree Split Up

[uftyler]

Hello, this is my first post in the forum, so I want to make this a good one and an active one on a topic that just came up in the past couple of days. 

Since the Japanese destroyer line will be getting split to tiers 5-8, what other lines would be interesting to see split up to other ships? Personally, my favourites would be American Cruisers, American Battleships, and Japanese Carrier (Even though I don't play carrier often.).

American Cruisers would split off of the Omaha or Cleveland, and the go to the Brooklyn Class Tier 6, then St Louis (1938) Class Tier 7, and stop there. Then split from the Pensacola to the Northampton Heavy Cruiser Class Tier 7, then the Portland Class Cruiser Tier 8, then end there.

The next split tree would be the American Battleship. This could go either 2 ways, start at Wyoming and list dreadnoughts all the way to super dreadnoughts, or start at either New York or New Mexico and list the super dreadnoughts till the fast battleships. I would go to start at New York and list the Nevada Class Tier 5, Pennsylvania Class Tier 6, then the New Mexico Tier 7, (Colorado would move to tier 6 and South Dakota would replace to tier 7.), Then the Tennessee Class Tier 8. (Some of the super dreadnoughts at tier 7 and 8 would be weird and probably would not well though.) A interesting addition would be the South Dakota class at tier 7 as a premium.

Then the Japanese carrier would maybe get a split tree as well. After Zuiho, split to the Akagi at Tier 5, and then the Kaga at tier 6, then the Soryu at tier 7, and then the Shokaku at tier 8, then the Shinano at tier 9 or a premium at tier 8. 

 

Thanks for reading and give your thoughts.

[Nuk_]

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

[King_Zacarias]

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

 

[Mizzerys_Fate]

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

Wargaming can make anything work at any tier.

 

For example they could make an Erie tier 10. Add unrealistic hp, armour range penetration and speed.

Thus is an arcade game, not a simulator. Would it be historical, no.

 

I believe the Developers are shooting for historical aspects balanced for fun play.

 

[Nuk_]

Wargaming can make anything work at any tier.

 

For example they could make an Erie tier 10. Add unrealistic hp, armour range penetration and speed.

Thus is an arcade game, not a simulator. Would it be historical, no.

 

I believe the Developers are shooting for historical aspects balanced for fun play.

 

 

I'm not saying they could never work at that tier. To work at those tiers, the ships would need some serious adjustments from their historical counterparts.. If WG, for some reason, had to put those ships at those tiers, I don't doubt that they'd be able to make it work.

[uftyler]

 

 

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

 

Yeah, Once I started to write the tier down I knew the tiers would be weird. Colorado was a stretch as well. South Dakota I feel would work all right. I am not good at the stats of the carriers, I kinda threw them in their based on which came after the one before and hoped you guys would clear it up. I might delete that part except for Both of the South Dakotas and some of the Super Dreadnoughts.

[Nuk_]

 

 

Yeah, Once I started to write the tier down I knew the tiers would be weird. Colorado was a stretch as well. South Dakota I feel would work all right. I am not good at the stats of the carriers, I kinda threw them in their based on which came after the one before and hoped you guys would clear it up. I might delete that part except for Both of the South Dakotas and some of the Super Dreadnoughts.

 

Hey, it's a better first post than most people.

[Submarine_Wahoo]

I wouldn't mind Colorado at T6 where I can just stomp people with 16-inch guns while they shoot back with puny 14-inch (sans Warspite's 15-inch). 

 

[ckupf]

I wouldn't mind Colorado at T6 where I can just stomp people with 16-inch guns while they shoot back with puny 14-inch (sans Warspite's 15-inch). 

 

Yeah, I already 67k+ in the Colly at T7, well over my NC average and within 1k of my Iowa average, I'd love to wreck even lower tier ships. But that would be real dumb.

[Crucis]

 

 

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

 

Yeah, Once I started to write the tier down I knew the tiers would be weird. Colorado was a stretch as well. South Dakota I feel would work all right. I am not good at the stats of the carriers, I kinda threw them in their based on which came after the one before and hoped you guys would clear it up. I might delete that part except for Both of the South Dakotas and some of the Super Dreadnoughts.

 

 

Agree with Nuk.  Not a bad first post.  Better than many.

 

As for a second BB line (at least up to tier 8), the USN has so many BB designs that were built, not to mention some that weren't, that they could field a second BB line splitting off from the South Carolina with relative ease.

 

Tier 4:  Delaware or Florida class

Tier 5:  Nevada class

Tier 6: Pennsylvania class

Tier 7: Tennessee class BB or possibly the Lexington class battlecruiser

Tier 8: South Dakota class (1939)

 

 

The 1920's version of the South Dakota is difficult to place because while it has excellent firepower (12 16" guns), it's also slow, having the same 23 kt speed as the Colorado class, which means that it'd either be OP at tier 7 due to its guns or slow for tier 8 due to its speed.

 

 

 

 

[NightHawkS117]

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

I disagree about the Sodak. It is essentially a North Carolina, but slightly slower, and with a different armor scheme( more tanky, less about torpedo protection). Tier 7 I think would be fine for it, although it would do fine at tier 8 aswell.

 

and I mean the WWII Sodak, not the old one.

[Trubil]

New Mexico wouldn't work at tier 7.

Colorado wouldn't work at tier 6. 

South Dakota wouldn't work at tier 7. 

Tennessee wouldn't work at all at tier 8.

Akagi wouldn't work at tier 5.

Kaga wouldn't work at tier 6.

THANK YOU CAPTAIN NEGATIVE

[poeticmotion]

Hello, this is my first post in the forum, so I want to make this a good one and an active one on a topic that just came up in the past couple of days. 

Since the Japanese destroyer line will be getting split to tiers 5-8, what other lines would be interesting to see split up to other ships? Personally, my favourites would be American Cruisers, American Battleships, and Japanese Carrier (Even though I don't play carrier often.).

American Cruisers would split off of the Omaha or Cleveland, and the go to the Brooklyn Class Tier 6, then St Louis (1938) Class Tier 7, and stop there. Then split from the Pensacola to the Northampton Heavy Cruiser Class Tier 7, then the Portland Class Cruiser Tier 8, then end there.

The next split tree would be the American Battleship. This could go either 2 ways, start at Wyoming and list dreadnoughts all the way to super dreadnoughts, or start at either New York or New Mexico and list the super dreadnoughts till the fast battleships. I would go to start at New York and list the Nevada Class Tier 5, Pennsylvania Class Tier 6, then the New Mexico Tier 7, (Colorado would move to tier 6 and South Dakota would replace to tier 7.), Then the Tennessee Class Tier 8. (Some of the super dreadnoughts at tier 7 and 8 would be weird and probably would not well though.) A interesting addition would be the South Dakota class at tier 7 as a premium.

Then the Japanese carrier would maybe get a split tree as well. After Zuiho, split to the Akagi at Tier 5, and then the Kaga at tier 6, then the Soryu at tier 7, and then the Shokaku at tier 8, then the Shinano at tier 9 or a premium at tier 8. 

 

Thanks for reading and give your thoughts.

 

SoDak is very similar to NorCar. She won't work at tier 7. She's a smidge better than the NorCars, but not quite an Iowa, so she's about a tier 8.5. Given the power creep of Bismarck, I think she'd fit the current t8 meta.

Tennessee is about a tier 6.5. She's basically a New Mexico with better torp protection and better range. Putting a standard-type 21 knot BB with 14" rifles at tier 8 would be hilariously underpowered. 

New Mexico would not work at tier 7 without giving her some major buffs. Colorado would be OP at tier 6. There's a reason they are in the order they are on current tree. 

[Crucis]

Hello, this is my first post in the forum, so I want to make this a good one and an active one on a topic that just came up in the past couple of days. 

Since the Japanese destroyer line will be getting split to tiers 5-8, what other lines would be interesting to see split up to other ships? Personally, my favourites would be American Cruisers, American Battleships, and Japanese Carrier (Even though I don't play carrier often.).

American Cruisers would split off of the Omaha or Cleveland, and the go to the Brooklyn Class Tier 6, then St Louis (1938) Class Tier 7, and stop there. Then split from the Pensacola to the Northampton Heavy Cruiser Class Tier 7, then the Portland Class Cruiser Tier 8, then end there.

The next split tree would be the American Battleship. This could go either 2 ways, start at Wyoming and list dreadnoughts all the way to super dreadnoughts, or start at either New York or New Mexico and list the super dreadnoughts till the fast battleships. I would go to start at New York and list the Nevada Class Tier 5, Pennsylvania Class Tier 6, then the New Mexico Tier 7, (Colorado would move to tier 6 and South Dakota would replace to tier 7.), Then the Tennessee Class Tier 8. (Some of the super dreadnoughts at tier 7 and 8 would be weird and probably would not well though.) A interesting addition would be the South Dakota class at tier 7 as a premium.

Then the Japanese carrier would maybe get a split tree as well. After Zuiho, split to the Akagi at Tier 5, and then the Kaga at tier 6, then the Soryu at tier 7, and then the Shokaku at tier 8, then the Shinano at tier 9 or a premium at tier 8. 

 

Thanks for reading and give your thoughts.

 

SoDak is very similar to NorCar. She won't work at tier 7. She's a smidge better than the NorCars, but not quite an Iowa, so she's about a tier 8.5. Given the power creep of Bismarck, I think she'd fit the current t8 meta.

Tennessee is about a tier 6.5. She's basically a New Mexico with better torp protection and better range. Putting a standard-type 21 knot BB with 14" rifles at tier 8 would be hilariously underpowered. 

New Mexico would not work at tier 7 without giving her some major buffs. Colorado would be OP at tier 6. There's a reason they are in the order they are on current tree. 

 

I agree with this.  The Tennessee is a little underpowered for tier 7, but there aren't many options for a second tier 7 BB, other than it or perhaps the Lexington.  The 1920's South Dakota is just too powerful for tier 7.

 

And the 1939 SD is definitely a tier 8.  Some naval historians have called her the ultimate "treaty battleship".

 

 

[poeticmotion]

 

I agree with this.  The Tennessee is a little underpowered for tier 7, but there aren't many options for a second tier 7 BB, other than it or perhaps the Lexington.  The 1920's South Dakota is just too powerful for tier 7.

 

And the 1939 SD is definitely a tier 8.  Some naval historians have called her the ultimate "treaty battleship".

 

 

 

Lexington at t7 would be a good pick, as 6/7 seems to be the battlecruiser tier (Scharn/Gneis, Dunkerque). Then go with SoDak at t8, 1920s SoDak at t9 (with different name), and one of the Tillman studies at t10. 

 

We'd probably get Pennsylvania-class at t6 since the work's already done for the premium Arizona.

[uftyler]

 

 

Agree with Nuk.  Not a bad first post.  Better than many.

 

As for a second BB line (at least up to tier 8), the USN has so many BB designs that were built, not to mention some that weren't, that they could field a second BB line splitting off from the South Carolina with relative ease.

 

Tier 4:  Delaware or Florida class

Tier 5:  Nevada class

Tier 6: Pennsylvania class

Tier 7: Tennessee class BB or possibly the Lexington class battlecruiser

Tier 8: South Dakota class (1939)

 

 

The 1920's version of the South Dakota is difficult to place because while it has excellent firepower (12 16" guns), it's also slow, having the same 23 kt speed as the Colorado class, which means that it'd either be OP at tier 7 due to its guns or slow for tier 8 due to its speed.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree to that BB line. I shoulda went with that when I wrote the post.