petition to buff tirpitz secondary range

[Valoel_Vegas]

Wargaming, when you originally buffed north Carolina and amagis secondaries last year from 4.5km to 5km you said you did it for consistencies sake yet you conveniently left out tirpitz from that, I don't know if it was because you were scared about buffing her because she was new or you just straight up forgot.

 

I didn't complain originally because we didn't have context of what the german battleship secondaries were going to be like, they could have all been short range.

 

Well now we do have context, every battleship above, below and equal tier to the tirpitz now has longer range secondaries than it, tirpitz has the same range secondaries as the t5 konig. You could argue that she gives up this secondary range for her torpedo armament but then you realise both scharnhorst and gneis have torpedos aswell.

 

well yes tirpitz gets an extra torpedo in the salvo, but so she should being 1 tier up and she still pays for it with a longer reload time. Now that the Bismarck is unveiled and has hydro and 10km secondaries with slightly better AA I'm confident to say it isn't unreasonable to atleast buff tirpitz's secondary range by atleast 0.5km so she remains consistent among the line and the ships around her

 

Please do this because it's driving my ocd nuts more than anything else

 

Edited poll because people are too lazy to read

[Nuk_]

The torpedoes are even more effective than secondaries, Tirpitz is fine.

[Spyde]

No.

 

You got what you payed for.

[Rissien]

And she is a Premium, they are not supposed to be as good/better than tech tree ships.

[Valoel_Vegas]

Did you dumb [edited]even read the topic? Scharnhorst and gneis both have 5km secondaries, by your logic scharnhorst should also have 4.5km, there is no logical reason for tirpitz to have this range accounting for the context of everything around her and her own performance

[Xwing_Red1]

Current reach of Tirpitz secondaries is 4.5 km

If it where to be buffed, should be to 5 km and no more.

 

 

On the other hand, the amount of naysayers on this topic is gonna be quite high 

[gunstones]

The advantage of the Bismarck is its secondaries because she has no torpedoes unlike Tirpitz. I don't think it would be a good idea to give the Tirptiz a secondary buff because then there would be less reason to use Bismarck and it would make the Tirpitz albeit the slightly better ship. And not to mention she's a premium, it would upset many in my opinion.

[Xwing_Red1]

Did you dumb [edited]even read the topic? Scharnhorst and gneis both have 5km secondaries, by your logic scharnhorst should also have 4.5km, there is no logical reason for tirpitz to have this range accounting for the context of everything around her and her own performance

 

*This....

[Fast_Battleship_Iowa]

She's got torpedoes, quad launcher ones at that. She's also got enough speed, armour, and health to effectively get in range to use those torpedoes against enemy battleships.

 

I think Tirpitz is fine where she is right now.

[_HerrscherOfTheVoid]

We could buff Tirpitz torpedoes to 10km while we are at it!

 

[cmdr_raccoon]

I'm on the fence with this.

 

OP has a point, Gneis and Scharn both have 5km secondaries. In particular Scharhorst is also a premium, like the Tirpitz. Looking at that pattern it makes sense Tirpitz ought to have her secondaries range buffed, that is to 5km, not 7 like Bismarck. I do think people ought to consider it on this line of argument, and not just blindly thinking OP wants tirpitz to singlehandedly be better than any of her rivals.

 

Then again, owning a Tirpitz myself, I don't find myself feeling her to be underwhelming despite all the new rage that is new German BB secondaries. She is still a competitive ship. So leave her as is, and still is ok for me.

 

Hence, I think I'll abstain from the vote on this 

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

Why don't we give her 10 km secondaries, and while we're at it let's give her another set of "historikally akkurate" quad torp launchers on either side and reduce the reload to 15 seconds. Don't forget to add on 500 mm of deck armor and reduce the reload on the main guns to 15 seconds.

Tirpitz doesn't need a buff to her secondaries because she has a far better CQC weapon. To make her secondaries on par with those of her counterparts would give her an unreasonable advantage. Tirpitz has strong guns, armor, torpedoes, and reasonable secondaries. Scharnhorst trades away main battery stopping power against enemy BBs for those secondaries, and the fact she also has torpedoes to combat enemy BBs. 

[poeticmotion]

Did you dumb [edited]even read the topic? Scharnhorst and gneis both have 5km secondaries, by your logic scharnhorst should also have 4.5km, there is no logical reason for tirpitz to have this range accounting for the context of everything around her and her own performance

 

^^ This is not how you persuade unconvinced parties to support your opinion. My ability to give a s*** about your opinion just plummeted. 

 

[Xwing_Red1]

We could buff Tirpitz torpedoes to 10km while we are at it!

 

 

Acttually,,,,,you are right, partially, Your idea should apply to any GErman ship with torpedos tubes. BUT, Torpedo speed would be nerferd.

 

Historically, Germans could setup 3 different speed-reach for such weapons.

 

From Wikipedia.

"....They could be set for three speeds: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph), 40 knots (74 km/h; 46 mph), and 44 knots (81 km/h; 51 mph). At 30 knots, the torpedoes had a range of 14,000 m (15,300 yd); at 40 knots, the range fell considerably, to 8,000 m (8,750 m). At 44 knots, the range was reduced even further, to 6,000 m (6,560 yd). It was later found that the 44 kn speed caused the engine to overheat, and after this discovery, its use was discontinued."

[Xwing_Red1]

Why don't we give her 10 km secondaries, and while we're at it let's give her another set of "historikally akkurate" quad torp launchers on either side and reduce the reload to 15 seconds. Don't forget to add on 500 mm of deck armor and reduce the reload on the main guns to 15 seconds.

Tirpitz doesn't need a buff to her secondaries because she has a far better CQC weapon. To make her secondaries on par with those of her counterparts would give her an unreasonable advantage. Tirpitz has strong guns, armor, torpedoes, and reasonable secondaries. Scharnhorst trades away main battery stopping power against enemy BBs for those secondaries, and the fact she also has torpedoes to combat enemy BBs. 

 

[Valoel_Vegas]

Why don't we give her 10 km secondaries, and while we're at it let's give her another set of "historikally akkurate" quad torp launchers on either side and reduce the reload to 15 seconds. Don't forget to add on 500 mm of deck armor and reduce the reload on the main guns to 15 seconds.

Tirpitz doesn't need a buff to her secondaries because she has a far better CQC weapon. To make her secondaries on par with those of her counterparts would give her an unreasonable advantage. Tirpitz has strong guns, armor, torpedoes, and reasonable secondaries. Scharnhorst trades away main battery stopping power against enemy BBs for those secondaries, and the fact she also has torpedoes to combat enemy BBs. 

 

Nice hyperbole, not what I said or was implying at all.

 

Fyi scharnhorst trades nothing for those secondaries, those main guns pay for themselves with rate of fire, turret traverse and broadside weight

[poeticmotion]

My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank, on 24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

Why don't we give her 10 km secondaries, and while we're at it let's give her another set of "historikally akkurate" quad torp launchers on either side and reduce the reload to 15 seconds. Don't forget to add on 500 mm of deck armor and reduce the reload on the main guns to 15 seconds.

Tirpitz doesn't need a buff to her secondaries because she has a far better CQC weapon. To make her secondaries on par with those of her counterparts would give her an unreasonable advantage. Tirpitz has strong guns, armor, torpedoes, and reasonable secondaries. Scharnhorst trades away main battery stopping power against enemy BBs for those secondaries, and the fact she also has torpedoes to combat enemy BBs. 

 

Wow, you're just intellectually empty, aren't you? Well thought out rebuttal there, champ. 

[Spyde]

Did you dumb [edited]even read the topic? Scharnhorst and gneis both have 5km secondaries, by your logic scharnhorst should also have 4.5km, there is no logical reason for tirpitz to have this range accounting for the context of everything around her and her own performance

 

So angry!

 

Did you forget that this is an Arcade game ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[poeticmotion]

 

Nice hyperbole, not what I said or was implying at all.

 

Fyi scharnhorst trades nothing for those secondaries, those main guns pay for themselves with rate of fire, turret traverse and broadside weight

 

How about Gneis, which has only 6 15" guns but carries torps and heavy secondaries? Same thing...she needs the secondaries and torps to balance her lower main gun DPS and alpha. 

[scruffycavetroll]

I voted yes, because I have one...and why the hell not. 

 

BUffs for all, 'cept russia, they already have a doping program. 

[_HerrscherOfTheVoid]

I'm on the fence with this.

 

OP has a point, Gneis and Scharn both have 5km secondaries. In particular Scharhorst is also a premium, like the Tirpitz. Looking at that pattern it makes sense Tirpitz ought to have her secondaries range buffed, that is to 5km, not 7 like Bismarck. I do think people ought to consider it on this line of argument, and not just blindly thinking OP wants tirpitz to singlehandedly be better than any of her rivals.

 

Then again, owning a Tirpitz myself, I don't find myself feeling her to be underwhelming despite all the new rage that is new German BB secondaries. She is still a competitive ship. So leave her as is, and still is ok for me.

 

Hence, I think I'll abstain from the vote on this 

 

Hm, you have a point.

Scharn is almost the same and got better range.

Maybe it won't hurt if it goes up to 5km?

Scharn have torps too..

 

 

 

Acttually,,,,,you are right, partially, Your idea should apply to any GErman ship with torpedos tubes. BUT, Torpedo speed would be nerferd.

 

Historically, Germans could setup 3 different speed-reach for such weapons.

 

From Wikipedia.

"....They could be set for three speeds: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph), 40 knots (74 km/h; 46 mph), and 44 knots (81 km/h; 51 mph). At 30 knots, the torpedoes had a range of 14,000 m (15,300 yd); at 40 knots, the range fell considerably, to 8,000 m (8,750 m). At 44 knots, the range was reduced even further, to 6,000 m (6,560 yd). It was later found that the 44 kn speed caused the engine to overheat, and after this discovery, its use was discontinued."

 

I don't really think they should buff or nerf the torps.

6km is a pretty solid range and with a good speed.

 

I wouldn't like seeing a broadside Tirpitz just to launch some torps lol

[Xwing_Red1]

 

Wow, you're just intellectually empty, aren't you? Well thought out rebuttal there, champ. 

 

[cmdr_raccoon]

 

So angry!

 

Did you forget that this is an Arcade game ?

 

 

Well I can see why OP can get annoyed, he's asking for what i think is a very mild buff to the tirpitz secondary to more or less get her in line with most other German BBs in line as well as the t8 BBs and a lot of the nay sayers are making it like he's making some super wehraboo whine about wanting super big buffs to tirpitz. I don't agree with him lashing out like that mind you, but I can see how he got there.

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

 

Nice hyperbole, not what I said or was implying at all.

 

Fyi scharnhorst trades nothing for those secondaries, those main guns pay for themselves with rate of fire, turret traverse and broadside weight

 

I'd say being unable to damage BBs at long range, and usually even angled CAs giving the ship a hard time, in a BB, is a downside. Yesterday I angled in to a Scharnhorst in my Myoko and all the shells either failed to penetrate or bounced. RoF means nothing when you can't deal damage to anything except DDs and broadside CAs unless you resort to HE spam in a BB. 

[Xwing_Red1]

 

Well I can see why OP can get annoyed, he's asking for what i think is a very mild buff to the tirpitz secondary to more or less get her in line with most other German BBs in line and a lot of the nay sayers are making it like he's making some super wehraboo whine about wanting super big buffs to tirpitz. I don't agree with him lashing out like that mind you, but I can see how he got there.

 

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