87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #1 Posted August 24, 2016 Seriously, it's laughable when the class that's supposed to do this is doing worse than the class that isn't supposed to do it I'm looking at you T8-10 BBs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
862 [KNTAI] Submarine_Wahoo [KNTAI] Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 3,176 posts 7,789 battles Report post #2 Posted August 24, 2016 Really depends on which cruisers you're talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #3 Posted August 24, 2016 Really depends on which cruisers you're talking about. ALL of them I would rather strike a Mogami than a Amagi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
455 [SCCC] FogInvader Members 2,845 posts 11,099 battles Report post #4 Posted August 24, 2016 No just no CVS need reworked not aa 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
572 [O7] Kevik70 [O7] Beta Testers 1,654 posts 10,699 battles Report post #5 Posted August 24, 2016 I think you also need to spec the upgrades and captain skills to get the most effect. Last night I division-ed up with a guy in a Fletcher who speced his ship with all AA buffs he could get. He consistently shot down 20+ tier 10 planes per game, and I think his record was 36 or so. (We had a tier 10 Japanese Carrier in our div, which is why we always had carriers in our games) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,043 [SALTY] Ace_04 Members 8,930 posts 18,130 battles Report post #6 Posted August 24, 2016 AA has already been buffed across the board. CV players have a tough time finding a viable target to hit now, so buffing AA further would make most ships invulnerable to attack from the air. They are almost cornered into picking on DD's now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
655 PelicanHazard Members 2,632 posts 10,276 battles Report post #7 Posted August 24, 2016 Yes, please. -Captain of the USS Noflyzone, Baltimore-class Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
157 PTX_007_03C Members 800 posts 7,359 battles Report post #8 Posted August 24, 2016 My Hipper is built for AA and even with stock hull it can take down T9 squads pretty fast. If some people have crap AA it's most likely due to them not specing their ships with that in mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #9 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) AA has already been buffed across the board. CV players have a tough time finding a viable target to hit now, so buffing AA further would make most ships invulnerable to attack from the air. They are almost cornered into picking on DD's now. I play CVs regularly and I can tell you this. The issue isn't the CVs entirely as AA currently is just messed up the cruisers have lost their potential as AA platforms and the USN CVs (which I'm currently playing) fail to even get near BBs due to their stupid amount of AA alone. What would have been better was the NERF BB AA and give it to the cruisers. If you want a video of this I can pull one up right now Edited August 24, 2016 by AkiraKurai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
138 fish_Jones Members 337 posts 4,434 battles Report post #10 Posted August 24, 2016 I'm 95% sure the reason BB's are getting more plane kills is because CV's try to steer clear of cruisers, or at least I do. It's not that your AA isn't better, it's that carriers don't go after you unless they have to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
862 [KNTAI] Submarine_Wahoo [KNTAI] Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 3,176 posts 7,789 battles Report post #11 Posted August 24, 2016 ALL of them I would rather strike a Mogami than a Amagi. The Japanese cruisers are supposed to be weak on AA, so no. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #12 Posted August 24, 2016 The Japanese cruisers are supposed to be weak on AA, so no. And so are the IJN BBs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
862 [KNTAI] Submarine_Wahoo [KNTAI] Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 3,176 posts 7,789 battles Report post #13 Posted August 24, 2016 And so are the IJN BBs So what's the problem that legitimatizes a buff to IJN AA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
28 [BANG] HMSTog Members 166 posts 5,852 battles Report post #14 Posted August 24, 2016 Seriously, it's laughable when the class that's supposed to do this is doing worse than the class that isn't supposed to do it I'm looking at you T8-10 BBs Or you could just nerf BBs AA. Then cruiser AA would look better by comparison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #15 Posted August 24, 2016 So what's the problem that legitimatizes a buff to IJN AA? IJN BB AA > IJN CA AA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #16 Posted August 24, 2016 Yes, I would like some more AA for my Des Moines Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
360 Rion12 Members 2,072 posts 2,712 battles Report post #17 Posted August 24, 2016 Yes, I would like some more AA for my Des Moines So, instead of "dakka dakka dakka" for AA, you just want "BRRRRRRRRRRT" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
862 [KNTAI] Submarine_Wahoo [KNTAI] Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 3,176 posts 7,789 battles Report post #18 Posted August 24, 2016 IJN BB AA > IJN CA AA Ah yes. Let's give IJN Defensive Fire an even more annoying damage output. Just kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #19 Posted August 24, 2016 So, instead of "dakka dakka dakka" for AA, you just want "BRRRRRRRRRRT" I think a CIWS should do nicely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #20 Posted August 24, 2016 Let me know when battleships get access to Defensive Fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #21 Posted August 24, 2016 Let me know when battleships get access to Defensive Fire. The Iowa has a permeate Defensive Fire just without the panic on planes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,947 battles Report post #22 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) The Iowa has a permeate Defensive Fire just without the panic on planes The panic on planes is what Defensive Fire is for. So no, Iowa having a high AA damage output isn't really equivalent at all. Edited August 24, 2016 by Destroyer_Kiyoshimo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SCCC] AkiraKurai Members 715 posts 22,118 battles Report post #23 Posted August 24, 2016 The panic on planes is what Defensive Fire is for. So no, Iowa having a high AA damage output isn't really equivalent at all. Really? I wonder why the AA multiplier is there then..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
157 PTX_007_03C Members 800 posts 7,359 battles Report post #24 Posted August 24, 2016 The panic on planes is what Defensive Fire is for. So no, Iowa having a high AA damage output isn't really equivalent at all. It actually is when all your 4 squads die before launching a single torpedo or bomb while trying to approach the Iowa (even though I think they fixed that since T7 CVs can't meet T9 AA anymore). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,287 [WG-CC] SireneRacker -Members-, Members 9,101 posts 8,050 battles Report post #25 Posted August 24, 2016 You complain about the weak AA on IJN Cruisers but forget the many things that replaces those AA guns. Torps for example. Does your Amagi have Torps? No. Is your Amagi capable of starting the panic mode? No. And just for you to know the Mogami has a weak AA as she was a T7 long ago and the Myoko was at T8. And buffing the AA on USN Cruisers is not necessary at all. Des Moines has already the third highest AA barrel damage behind the Montana and the Midway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
