351 Battleship_Vanguard Members 323 posts 296 battles Report post #1 Posted August 24, 2016 Pretty simple question. I cannot afford both, and obviously Dunkerque has added appeal due to being close to half the price. Both ships strike me as imperfect, niche roleplayers who have very specific utility; both are fast, small battleships, although Dunk has the obvious advantage of absurdly high speed for her tier and not having to fight any IXs. So... which should I buy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
68 [ERN] NitroLauncher717 [ERN] Members 240 posts 4,097 battles Report post #2 Posted August 24, 2016 I vote for the Shiny Horse, but that's just me, haven't bought the Dunkurque yet, but it looks fun. My big thing is there's only 2 turrets, you lose one, there went 50% of your damage output. Scharn will also train you a German sausage for the new BB line in your spare time. When are we expecting the French? I heard somewhere that British cruisers are next, but I've been unable to really do much research this past month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,593 [CRMSN] Cobraclutch Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,021 posts 4,739 battles Report post #3 Posted August 24, 2016 Sharn, its really a fun ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #4 Posted August 24, 2016 Scharnhorst. Not even a question. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,640 [WOLF1] pmgaudio Members 9,915 posts 18,626 battles Report post #5 Posted August 24, 2016 well, I was gifted a Scahrn, it was too pricey for me... I LOVE IT, for what it can do... hate it for what it cannot (AP).... I think the Dunk is cheaper... $25 for just a ship, so price wise, that... and it is a really good, low tier NC or Izumo...style BB... it tanks good head on... accurate as hell... 8 guns to bear bow on to a ship... that seems to be all I know so far... I might get her if we get our bonus this week (Or if poker does well for me over the weekend) I tend to collect premiums even if I don't use them anymore COUGH COUGH ATLANTA) But I will never SELL them... LOL- that is just sillyness!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,640 [WOLF1] pmgaudio Members 9,915 posts 18,626 battles Report post #6 Posted August 24, 2016 Scharnhorst. Not even a question. or, the short answer....(if price is not an issue) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #7 Posted August 24, 2016 Scharnhorst. Dunky may be a good ship, but Scharnhorst is just a better buy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
937 [WOLFB] Lonewolfpj Members 3,212 posts Report post #8 Posted August 24, 2016 I have both and love them but I would say scharnhorst is a great ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
655 PelicanHazard Members 2,632 posts 10,276 battles Report post #9 Posted August 24, 2016 Having both, I'd pick Scharnhorst. Sure, Dunk's guns are bigger, but Scharnhorst is unquestionably more durable. If you're grinding either of the German lines, Scharn will also help you retrain captains. Earns some fair amount of silver, too. Dunk is a good riot, but not as easy to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #10 Posted August 24, 2016 I own both. I like both, but imo, the Dunkerque is much better. The Scharnhorst is just so damn inconsistent, you often have frustrating games with her. The Dunkerque has a higher skill floor, but is just all around better. You're not forced to brawl to do well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,148 [NDA] kerensky914 Supertester 3,926 posts 2,863 battles Report post #11 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) I would probably agree with most here that Scharnhorst is the better buy. For me, however, since I know I'll eventually have Gneisenau, I can live with not having Scharnhorst for awhile if I need to budget. Dunkerque is considerably cheaper, and I don't see Strasbourg or Richelieu showing up in the next 6-8 months. And don't fear the skill floor in Dunkerque - I got to play her some last night and did pretty well, and I stink at this game (most of the time). Edited August 24, 2016 by kerensky914 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #12 Posted August 24, 2016 well, I was gifted a Scahrn, it was too pricey for me... I LOVE IT, for what it can do... hate it for what it cannot (AP).... I think the Dunk is cheaper... $25 for just a ship, so price wise, that... and it is a really good, low tier NC or Izumo...style BB... it tanks good head on... accurate as hell... 8 guns to bear bow on to a ship... that seems to be all I know so far... I might get her if we get our bonus this week (Or if poker does well for me over the weekend) I tend to collect premiums even if I don't use them anymore COUGH COUGH ATLANTA) But I will never SELL them... LOL- that is just sillyness!!! Yeah but she has less armor than a Kongo. Plus 1 turret gone, there's half your firepower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #13 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Yeah but she has less armor than a Kongo. Plus 1 turret gone, there's half your firepower. Her armor works just fine as long as you sit bow on, which is what the entire concept of the ship was built around, being bow on. She may not be impervious to all forms of damage while doing this, but she's damn good at it. And if things aren't looking your way, just fly away at 30kts. Edited August 24, 2016 by goldeagle1123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,063 [DAMP] Fodder4U In AlfaTesters, In AlfaTesters 2,703 posts 14,166 battles Report post #14 Posted August 24, 2016 Scharn for 2 reasons. Fun to play and there are 2 different lines for the Germans that it can also be used to train commanders where there is no French line so you just have the 1 ship and commander for the Dunk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,258 Midnitewolf Alpha Tester 3,978 posts 2,472 battles Report post #15 Posted August 24, 2016 I am fairly disappointed with my Scharnhorst due to its very poor dispersion and even worse penetration. I feel it is a ship that has to near 100% rely on RNG to do well in. Way too many times now, it has failed me in clutch situations where most other ships would have been successful 80% of the time. I do decent in her averaging about 59k damage which is just a tad bit above average, but most of my other stats with the Scharn are very subpar which is very abnormal for me as I don't usually struggle with any ship. My overall impression of the Schanhorst is very Meh and not really worth the $42. I kind of regret buying it. The Dunkerque on the other hand has very pleasantly surprised me. I only have 5 matches in her but in my very first match got 4 kills and 102k damage. Also averaging 75k damage and an 80% survival rate with a 11.0 K/D. Now that is only 5 matches so those numbers aren't going to stand but I have had very few ships do that well out of the gate so she looks to be a winner. Guns on this ship are actually what I was hoping out of the Scharnhorst meaning they have nice, tight and flat groupings at short ranges under about 13-14km and unlike the Scharnhorst, its shells can actually penetrate the belt armor of other BBs at these ranges. She is a little wierd to play but very fun and at only $24, a must buy in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
478 [BHSN] scruffycavetroll Members 2,564 posts 4,523 battles Report post #16 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) I have both. For the $$, purely about the price, Dunkerque. If it's about the ship...i'd have to say teh Sharnny. I haven't played much in the kirk, and what I have was PVE to get the gist of the ship. Both ships are very squishy, and both need to be played a certain way to do OK or better in, which is not the traditional way you'd play a BB, although the horst is a little more forgiving if you do and has torps with gonzo firing arcs. Sharnny has pretty bad grouping, whereas the kirk is comparatively nice and tight. Neither ship should be showing broadside if you can help it, but you may always be showing to someone whether you know or not. Edited August 24, 2016 by scruffycavetroll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,258 Midnitewolf Alpha Tester 3,978 posts 2,472 battles Report post #17 Posted August 24, 2016 I have both. For the $$, purely about the price, Dunkerque. If it's about the ship...i'd have to say teh Sharnny. I haven't played much in the kirk, and what I have was PVE to get the gist of the ship. Both ships are very squishy, and both need to be played a certain way to do OK or better in, which is not the traditional way you'd play a BB, although the horst is a little more forgiving if you do and has torps with gonzo firing arcs. Sharnny has pretty bad grouping, whereas the kirk is comparatively nice and tight. Neither ship should be showing broadside if you can help it, but you may always be showing to someone whether you know or not. Scharn has great armor, it is the guns I can't deal with. There are just times, especially in a brawling BB that you just absolutely have to be able count on your guns performing and hitting the target and when you can't do that consistently even at very, very short ranges of around 5-6km, then ship become a liability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
46 B4lduR_28 Members 267 posts 4,277 battles Report post #18 Posted August 24, 2016 Scharnhorst. Not even a question. exactly this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
637 [THICC] LuckyStarFan Beta Testers 1,252 posts 8,316 battles Report post #19 Posted August 24, 2016 Dunkerque is excellent but I find I have to pay attention while playing her. I imagine Scharnhorst is a much more carefree ship to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,140 [MCWF] K1ra_Yoshikage Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 7,026 posts 29,155 battles Report post #20 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Both... if not: both have a unique playstyle. In the long run the Scharnhorst is more usefull since we have German cruisers and BB now (DD's end of this/start of next year). She is a oversized cruisers and should played like this (minus the part: hide behind a rock all the time). Secondary guns are good, AA also, torpedos for close in... main battery need change of ammo depending on what kind of target you are shooting and what range. Best at medium to close range. THe Dunk is a bit special. More a support ship then a BB. You can be awesome with her but if you end up flanked you are dead as a dodo. Both are more for the advanced player, skill ceiling for the Dunk is higher. For both ships counts: most clips are made by good players with a very good game. LWM/Lert did a good review of both high lighting the pro and con. Forgot: the Scharn looks much better then the Dunkquirk. Edited August 24, 2016 by Erebthoron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
715 Gomez_Adams Members 2,246 posts 2,602 battles Report post #21 Posted August 24, 2016 I'm having fun with the Dunny. I'm not a good player by any standard, but I'm flat out having a ball in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
350 Mikebello Members 1,101 posts 21,806 battles Report post #22 Posted August 24, 2016 Dunk price is near Texas and is one tier above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
478 [BHSN] scruffycavetroll Members 2,564 posts 4,523 battles Report post #23 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Also, bear in mind, they don't have the ability to have the kirks guns disable in half...the whole thing gets destroyed...so when one or both guns go down, you're gonna have a bad time. Edited August 24, 2016 by scruffycavetroll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
263 [DOW] Roadrider7021 [DOW] Members 1,082 posts 42,356 battles Report post #24 Posted August 24, 2016 Love the Dunk. Plus, as for right now, you're not like the millionth Scharn in MM. Empirically, I love the Dunkerque but it feels like the Scharn was custom built for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
351 Battleship_Vanguard Members 323 posts 296 battles Report post #25 Posted August 24, 2016 I know Scharnhorst is leaving the shop after the buy window is up, but is Dunk confirmed temporary as well? Thanks for all the advice so far, btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
