Moving the Cleveland to a higher tier

[Silvercoins]

True or false? Is WG planning to move the Cleveland to a higher tier? If so will those who own a Cleveland be able to retain it at the higher tier?

[iEaTDaGrudge]

 

that would be funny if they do that ..i dont care anyways...I have fun with cleveland and omaha and i decided to move on to another line.

[Raven114]

No one really knows, and we do not need double posts.There not going to take any ships from you the rest is rumor.

[King_Zacarias]

True eventually when WG adds an all CL American line with the Buffalo at Tier X, and no you can't keep it, youll get the Tier 6 replacement. They aren't going to make that mistake again.

[donaldEpott]

If they move the cleveland to a higher tier you will get the ship they replace it with. you will have to research it again on the new line. Its how they did the Myoko and Mogami when they switched them around on the tree.

[Dratt_Dastardly]

All I can say, I'm glad I bought the Atlanta for my AA thrills.  

 

I'll miss it but at this point, I can't seem to save up enough money to get the Pensacola.  Besides, it's become rare to run into carriers with the Cleveland now.

[Talleyrand]

I think the cleveland need a serious buff to be in higher tier. En Beta it was awesome, but the ability of the players has increse a lot and now the BB eat them as a regular moneymaker. 

[Silvercoins]

No one really knows, and we do not need double posts.There not going to take any ships from you the rest is rumor.

 

  Well excuse the heck out of me for making an honest mistake regarding a double post as if you never made a mistake.

[Silvercoins]

If they move the cleveland to a higher tier you will get the ship they replace it with. you will have to research it again on the new line. Its how they did the Myoko and Mogami when they switched them around on the tree.

 

  If that happens I guess they like screwing their players who don't or can't afford to spend thousands of dollars. I sounds like what we have in Washington money talks and CRAP walks.

[Silvercoins]

All I can say, I'm glad I bought the Atlanta for my AA thrills.  

 

I'll miss it but at this point, I can't seem to save up enough money to get the Pensacola.  Besides, it's become rare to run into carriers with the Cleveland now.

 

The Pensacola really stinks ask around. The problem with most US cruisers is having little range.

[King_Zacarias]

I think the cleveland need a serious buff to be in higher tier. En Beta it was awesome, but the ability of the players has increse a lot and now the BB eat them as a regular moneymaker. 

 

Saw some testing leaked stats. 16.3km range and 12rpm

[CanadianAdmiral]

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Now since there would be a gap at Tier 6, I wonder what Cleveland's replacement would be in the U.S. heavy cruiser line for Tier 6. I suppose either the Pensacola be put down to Tier 6 (every Japanese cruiser from Tier 5 onward has 203 mm guns, so it seems logical to me) and have the Northamptons (the Pensacola's successor) or Portlands at Tier 7 (the latter perhaps makes more sense since the Indianapolis is a premium Tier 7 cruiser of that class).    

 

 

[MrDeaf]

Brooklyn and St. Louis still have Pensacola style poor armor, since they are both still restricted by 10,000t WNT limits.

Pensacola armor and citadel protection has roots back to Omaha, which is why it's so poor.

 

T6 could be filled by an 8 gunned prototype Pensacola.

NO or Pensacola will likely get the axe, because Baltimore was also expected to be kicked down to T8.

[SFC_Storm]

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Now since there would be a gap at Tier 6, I wonder what Cleveland's replacement would be in the U.S. heavy cruiser line for Tier 6. I suppose either the Pensacola be put down to Tier 6 (every Japanese cruiser from Tier 5 onward has 203 mm guns, so it seems logical to me) and have the Northamptons (the Pensacola's successor) or Portlands at Tier 7 (the latter perhaps makes more sense since the Indianapolis is a premium Tier 7 cruiser of that class).    

 

 

595

Your tree is correct.

 

The velocity issue is simple really. US 152mm`s had also hotter rounds used in the Worchester than were 840 m/s. Also, since the US loved plunging fire [because they did Arty support as much or more than naval fights] you need to remember there arc is whacked in game. For instance they fired up to 25km. So since in game they only have 15km or hopefully 18km at T8, they need to cut the high angle by 40%ish. I mean they its a nerf in game to have that high of an arc in most cases, but then it doesnt get the plunging penetration of the 5inchs.

 

They need to chose one or the other, either it can pen BB`s at max range and Cit some of them because extremeplunging fire, or its only shooting at 60% of its max range and needs the angle lowered tons.

[BadlyBrowned]

If the Cleveland is moved up to Tier 8, I definitely think her old shell velocity needs to be reinstated for her to be competitive at that tier. Range-wise, I would fine with something like 16-16.5 km. Most important for me is the shell velocity, range doesn't do you good if the shells take ages to get there.  

 

I have read that a logical U.S. CL line progression would go like this:

Brooklyn (6) -> St. Louis (7) -> Cleveland (8) -> Fargo (9) -> Worcester (10) 

 

Now since there would be a gap at Tier 6, I wonder what Cleveland's replacement would be in the U.S. heavy cruiser line for Tier 6. I suppose either the Pensacola be put down to Tier 6 (every Japanese cruiser from Tier 5 onward has 203 mm guns, so it seems logical to me) and have the Northamptons (the Pensacola's successor) or Portlands at Tier 7 (the latter perhaps makes more sense since the Indianapolis is a premium Tier 7 cruiser of that class).    

 

I guess obviously, the Cleveland will get it's rate of fire and turret traverse buffed back up along with the range increase. I also forsee the Cleveland going from 12 Bofors to 28 Bofors to buff up it's AA armament. I think USN ballistics (both for 6inch and 8inch guns) need to be re-worked in general, so I agree that the Cleveland will need ballistic buffs as well to move up to Tier 8.

 

As for the USN CL tech tree, the St. Louis and Fargo classes are not different enough to warrant being separate tiers from the Brooklyn and Cleveland, imo. Furthermore, the Worcester with 12rpm 6inch guns and no torpedoes at Tier X would be significantly weaker than the coming British Tier X Minotaur with 20rpm 6inch guns and torpedoes. The US did have plans for a 20-25 rpm 6inch DP gun that got cancelled by the end of the war, so I would use that instead for the USN CL Tier X.

 

As I posted in the other thread, I think the USN CA and CL lines should go more something like:

 

Tier	Light Cruiser Tree	Heavy Cruiser Tree
6	Oakland	Pensacola
7	Brooklyn	New Orleans
8	Cleveland	Baltimore
9	Worcester	Buffalo*
X	Papership**	Des Moines

*Paper CA with 4x3 8inch guns and torpedo defense

**Papership with the planned 20-25rpm 6inch DP triple turret auto loaders cancelled by the end of the war.

 

[crzyhawk]

If the Cleveland were removed, I'd expect to see Northampton at T6, and a 9 x 152mm gun Atlanta design study at T6 in the CL line.

[Eisennagel]

 

 

Kirov and Molotov showed a 9 gun heavy cruiser to be viable at Tier 6.  A Northampton with 4 rounds a minute, and 4500 AP damage would fit in terms of DPM.

 

There may have been a creative guideline not to allow 8 to 9 gun 8" cruisers in Tier 6 in the first place, which is why you have the Cleveland there and not the Northampton or the Proto Pensacola (the 8 gun Pensacola we once had as default).  Or they could have slapped a paper 8 x 8" gun paper heavy cruiser in the IJN line instead of the Aoba with a supernatural firing rate in the beginning of the game.

 

But if this guideline is lifted --- probably after debate among the developers pro and anti --- this could pave the way for a Tier 6 USN heavy cruiser in the game.  

 

There are also a number of other creative guidelines that appears to being tested in the edge and might be lifted.  One for example is the previous limit of light cruisers in the high tier.  The Kutuzov broke that as an ingame experiment, just as the Molotov may break the heavy cruiser guideline below Tier 7.  Another is the number of 5" DP guns you can have in a capital ship under Tier 8; the Gneisenau is breaking and testing that.