Mighty Jingles Review of Scharnhorst - Strong Warning to New Players

[Sink_Stuff]

 

Apparently, JIngles was very frustrated with the ship and has a strong recommendation AGAINST buying the Scharnhorst unless you are an expert player who understands that in a few months everyone, even destroyers, will simply steam straight at this ship with HE loaded and wipe her off the oceans in nothing flat. He does however say that the ship is "Pretty Good".

 

For me, I bought the Tirpitz instead. I agree with him, more players need to understand that this ship is NOT going to be easy to use in pub battles. This is especially true once more people realize just how weak it's guns really are. 

[Mikebello]

Maybe will be fun in pve

[Zeek_Muaka]

Isn't this the guy that just accused NA supertesters (And WGNA, somehow) of leaking information? I think I'll take Lert and LWM's word instead.

[Menemy]

Isn't this the guy that just accused NA supertesters (And WGNA, somehow) of leaking information? I think I'll take Lert and LWM's word instead.

 

It's fine that you trust our local CCs but let's not turn this into a war, shall we? Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[CapnCappy]

I unsubscribed from Jingles channel. The guy has gone from a fun commentator to a blow-hard.

[Sink_Stuff]

Isn't this the guy that just accused NA supertesters (And WGNA, somehow) of leaking information? I think I'll take Lert and LWM's word instead.

 

I asked Lert why I would buy the Scharnhost over the Tirpitz, and he said, "For me, he would NOT recommend that I buy the Scharnhorst over the Tirpitz". As well, White Mouses review was loaded with warning to players about it as well. I actually think LWM and Lerts would actually agree with Jingles if they were not more reserved in negative feedback. If you read LWM's review it seems like she is really holding back on saying anything negative about the ship. But that is just me reading into her review.

 

But like Jingles says in his review, most people are in two polar opposite camps on this ship, they either love it, or hate it. So, now we are starting to see those two sides of reviews finally.

[JojoTheMongol]

I think the last thing you want to do in a DD is charge a Scharnhorst, especially if he's not distracted. DDs don't bounce anything so you aren't safe in a DD from its guns no matter the angle. In fact when you go bow on or angle in a DD you are less likely to suffer overpens and you'll get regular pens which is nearly the equivalent of a citadel for a DD. I never saw him once go for HE in the video. Its not great HE, but it light a target up enough and they'll think better of charging you. Anybody who is used to CAs in this game should do fine with the Scharn. From the half dozen videos I've seen that seems to be how this ship plays. Like a really tough CA.

[saagri]

Buy the scharnhorst over Tipirtz to never have T10 matches.

*cough* yamato *cough* Zao *cough* Moskva *cough* Shimskaze

[HazardDrake]

I love it when people go bow-on to me. It means that they are:

 

1. Poorly angled against my teammates.

2. Letting me close the distance to torpedo range.

 

Bow-on has its time and place, but it is both overrated and overused much of the time.

[HazardDrake]

Isn't this the guy that just accused NA supertesters (And WGNA, somehow) of leaking information? I think I'll take Lert and LWM's word instead.

Don't forget that he is also the guy who violated HIS NDA in that very same video.

[Crucis]

Without having watched this video review yet (though I fully intend to), I think that historically and within the game, the 11" gunned Scharnhorsts are in a very tricky spot.  They're not really legit BB's for their era.  Oh, they may have legit armor for their era, but their guns just aren't (weren't?) really good enough for standing up to true battleline BB's.  Heck, they're in pretty much the same place as other designs of this era like the Alaskas and an IJN ship, both of which were armed with 11-12" guns.  Now admittedly the Alaskas do not have the armor of the Scharnhorsts, but my argument here is more about the place they're in due to their guns, and the overall size of the ships.  The guns aren't strong enough to stand up to BB's, not really, but they're certainly better than heavy cruiser guns.

 

Various details (particularly armor) aside, these ships sort of fill the role of battlecruisers.  But BC's are a difficult ship to figure out where they stand and how they should be used.  The Scharnhorsts, due to their armor, are probably more on the BB side of things, while the Alaskas, due to their more meager CA scale armor are closer to being merely oversized CA's.  (And I don't know where the IJN version would fall on a scale of CA to legit BB.) 

 

Historically, I think that the IJN Kongo class BC's and the unbuilt Amagi class BC's arguably would have avoided this confusion mostly because their guns were fully BB capable, even if their armor wasn't.  I don't think that there's much doubt that they could stand up to BB's, though with their lighter armor, their ability to shrug off hits and damage would have been less than that of any legit BB.

 

iChase (in his review) had a good description of what the Scharnhorst should probably do.  When facing cruisers, look at yourself as a BB.  When facing battleships, think of yourself as a (really big) cruiser.

 

 

 

 

[SPACEDUDE71]

isnt one of those guys with that girl who post for status report...rita? thought i read it somewhere they were living together.

[JojoTheMongol]

Buy the scharnhorst over Tipirtz to never have T10 matches.

*cough* yamato *cough* Zao *cough* Moskva *cough* Khabs/Gearings

 

 

FTFY

[saagri]

 

 

FTFY

 

*cough* every T10 ever. 

[Crucis]

I think the last thing you want to do in a DD is charge a Scharnhorst, especially if he's not distracted. DDs don't bounce anything so you aren't safe in a DD from its guns no matter the angle. In fact when you go bow on or angle in a DD you are less likely to suffer overpens and you'll get regular pens which is nearly the equivalent of a citadel for a DD. I never saw him once go for HE in the video. Its not great HE, but it light a target up enough and they'll think better of charging you. Anybody who is used to CAs in this game should do fine with the Scharn. From the half dozen videos I've seen that seems to be how this ship plays. Like a really tough CA.

 

Speaking of DD's going bow on, yes, I agree that there's a chance of taking greater damage for the reason you explain.  But it seems like the counter to that is that you're presenting a much narrower profile, so shouldn't you be more difficult to hit?  Mind you, about the only reason I can think of for being bow on (and spotted) to an enemy ship is if you're attempting to make a torpedo run.  otherwise, you're just limiting the number of guns you can bring to bear.

 

 

[MrDeaf]

Buy the scharnhorst over Tipirtz to never have T10 matches.

*cough* yamato *cough* Zao *cough* Moskva *cough* Shimskaze

 

Even the lowly Baltimore will laugh at Tirptiz 380mm shells, as it bounces all of it off the bow.

And then, god forbid, you run into a bow-on DM.

[alexf24]

After having seen several videos from NA (did not watch Jingles as I unsubscribed), I will buy it.

 

It is not an easy ship for novices. I am not a novice. I like CAs, and this should be played like an extra heavy CA. If you do well in Myoko, you can do well in Scharnhorst. Just stay away from higher tier BBs, angle properly, and engage equal tier BBs, all CA/CL. DDs should be aware of secondaries.

[saagri]

 

Even the lowly Baltimore will laugh at Tirptiz 380mm shells, as it bounces all of it off the bow.

And then, god forbid, you run into a bow-on DM.

 

At least the baltimore won't be spamming shells like no tomorrow. 

[Herr_Reitz]

I unsubscribed from Jingles channel. The guy has gone from a fun commentator to a blow-hard.

 

Same here... and his laugh well... reminds me of snidely whiplash... 

[MrDeaf]

so... 26m in, Jingles says he can't cit the Omaha from the front

 

I think that is just bad RNG or badly placed shots, because 150mm will pen an Omaha from the front, while 203mm will cit it from the front.

 

You just don't shoot at the waterline of an Omaha to do that. Instead, you shoot into its front turret.

[SPACEDUDE71]

put a tirp vs a scharn.

i would put my money on the tirp.

it will penn the scharn at any angle. and bounce the scharns 11s at just about any angle.

plus at the right spot tirps secondaries kick in.

they have the same torpss but tirp has more.

tirp also has better rudder and turn.

whatever the schorn can do. the tirpitz does better.

[MrDeaf]

put a tirp vs a scharn.

i would put my money on the tirp.

it will penn the scharn at any angle. and bounce the scharns 11s at just about any angle.

plus at the right spot tirps secondaries kick in.

they have the same torpss but tirp has more.

tirp also has better rudder and turn.

whatever the schorn can do. the tirpitz does better.

 

Why are you comparing a T7 BB to a T8 BB?

 

Of course the T8 should win.

There's not a single T8 or T9 BB that shouldn't win against a Scharnhorst.

In fact, that's the case with Nagato and Colorado as well.

 

 

[saagri]

so... 26m in, Jingles says he can't cit the Omaha from the front

 

I think that is just bad RNG or badly placed shots, because 150mm will pen an Omaha from the front, while 203mm will cit it from the front.

 

You just don't shoot at the waterline of an Omaha to do that. Instead, you shoot into its front turret.

 

Interesting. I cit Omaha's from the front with Molotov.  

[jabberwalkie09]

 

Interesting. I cit Omaha's from the front with Molotov.  

 

But yeah, that's the Motov. You're shooting rail guns with shells made of Stalinium forged in the people's fire by Stalin himself.

[MrDeaf]

 

Interesting. I cit Omaha's from the front with Molotov.  

 

 

Actually, you know, come to think of it, I think I cit an Omaha from the front with a Nicholas...

 

So minimum requirement must be 127mm.

 

280mm is easily twice that.