A friendly Reminder/Warning

[fish_Jones]

As you undoubtedly know, the Scharnhorst Premium BB will probably be coming to the shop very soon. If you plan on buying this ship regardless of how good she is, you can stop reading now, this isn't aimed at you.

 

If you're still here I'd like to remind you of the last Premium BB to grace our presence: The USS Arizona. All of the reviews before her release praised her accuracy and armor. Someone doing some digging found out that her sigma value was 2.0: on par with the Nikolai and Warspite(?). Commence hype. 

 

When she was released a lot of folks bought her right away, and then continued to complain about how WG had stealth nerfed her to have a 1.8 sigma value. WG said that they had changed this value before it was released for sale so there hadn't been any "stealth nerf."

 

My point is that the Scharnhorst could be no different. If LWM's review is correct, her guns traverse faster than my Indianapolis stock (7.2 degrees/sec vs 6.0 degrees/sec), with only 5 seconds slower reload.

 

If you want to buy her only because of her reviews of her RIGHT NOW, wait a day or so when she goes on sale. If there have been any changes to her, you are guaranteed to see someone complain about them here on the forums. If you read those complaints and decide you still want her, buy her. You're not going to be missing out on much by not being "OMG I'M LIKE THE FIRST NON SUPERTESTER TO PLAY THIS SHIP."

 

I'm still undecided on buying her and wanted to try my best to help those who are also undecided make an informed decision.

 

Edit: I am saying that the Arizona was changed BEFORE release, and that the Schanrhorst COULD be changed before release, so don't assume current stats will remain the same.

Edit #2: So many people seem to think I'm saying something other than what I am. It doesn't really matter if the Arizona was nerfed before or after, it's still a good ship, and according to her WR, still at least slightly OP. Doesn't matter if you're going to buy the Scharnhorst the day it comes out or not, there could be changes from now to then.

[SeanPwnery]

While that sigma value was ... interesting to say the least on the Arizona - she still plays pretty decent - can't say I regret getting it.

 

Just seems like ships like that and the upcoming Scharnhorst are going to be successful in the short to mid-range engagements and force snowflakes that prefer having a safe-place and snipe from max range and barely hit anything to actually get in there and do something if they want any remote chance of success.

[fish_Jones]

While that sigma value was ... interesting to say the least on the Arizona - she still plays pretty decent - can't say I regret getting it.

 

Agreed. The Arizona is still a very accurate and powerful ship, but people were still upset anyway. I regret not getting her, but I already had the Texas.

[Raven114]

Your info is wrong if you read all the information that comes out of WG, EU and NA you would have known the sigma was changed prior to release. So get your facts straight before you spit.

 

[Lord_Dolza]

As you undoubtedly know, the Scharnhorst Premium BB will probably be coming to the shop very soon. If you plan on buying this ship regardless of how good she is, you can stop reading now, this isn't aimed at you.

 

If you're still here I'd like to remind you of the last Premium BB to grace our presence: The USS Arizona. All of the reviews before her release praised her accuracy and armor. Someone doing some digging found out that her sigma value was 2.0: on par with the Nikolai and Warspite(?). Commence hype. 

 

When she was released a lot of folks bought her right away, and then continued to complain about how WG had stealth nerfed her to have a 1.8 sigma value. WG said that they had changed this value before it was released for sale so there hadn't been any "stealth nerf."

 

My point is that the Scharnhorst could be no different. If LWM's review is correct, her guns traverse faster than my Indianapolis stock (7.2 degrees/sec vs 6.0 degrees/sec), with only 5 seconds slower reload.

 

If you want to buy her only because of her reviews of her RIGHT now, wait a day or so when she goes on sale. If there have been any changes to her, you are guaranteed to see someone complain about them here on the forums. If you read those complaints and decide you still want her, buy her. You're not going to be missing out on much by not being "OMG I'M LIKE THE FIRST NON SUPERTESTER TO PLAY THIS SHIP."

 

I'm still undecided on buying her and wanted to try my best to help those who are also undecided make an informed decision.

 

I have not one regret with buying the Arizona..satisfaction rating for me would be 9.5 out of 10

[fish_Jones]

When she was released a lot of folks bought her right away, and then continued to complain about how WG had stealth nerfed her to have a 1.8 sigma value. WG said that they had changed this value before it was released for sale so there hadn't been any "stealth nerf."

 

Your info is wrong if you read all the information that comes out of WG, EU and NA you would have known the sigma was changed prior to release. So get your facts straight before you spit.

I'm sorry, what was that?

[TTK_Aegis]

I was sold at 20km range cruiser-hunting battlecruiser. 

[TenguBlade]

If you're still here I'd like to remind you of the last Premium BB to grace our presence: The USS Arizona. All of the reviews before her release praised her accuracy and armor. Someone doing some digging found out that her sigma value was 2.0: on par with the Nikolai and Warspite(?). Commence hype. 

 

When she was released a lot of folks bought her right away, and then continued to complain about how WG had stealth nerfed her to have a 1.8 sigma value. WG said that they had changed this value before it was released for sale so there hadn't been any "stealth nerf."

It was nerfed before release.  Only the 0.5.8 PT had her with a 2.0 sigma.

[fish_Jones]

It was nerfed before release.  Only the 0.5.8 PT had her with a 2.0 sigma.

 

I'm sorry if I was confusing, you're the second person to say that. I meant to say that it WAS changed before release so there wasn't a stealth nerf, and that the Scharnhosrt CAN be changed before release, so wait and see.

[TenguBlade]

I'm sorry if I was confusing, you're the second person to say that. I meant to say that it WAS changed before release so there wasn't a stealth nerf, and that the Scharnhosrt CAN be changed before release, so wait and see.

Of course it can.  But there's really no incentive to nerf her further, she was already heavily nerfed from when STs first got her.  I recall her AP alpha was 9300 at some point.

[gurudennis]

Arizona was nerfed after the release, not before. Both 0.5.8 PT and 0.5.7 public contained the value of 2.0 for her sigma. No matter how much WG would like to spin it otherwise, from the consumer's perspective it was a post-launch post-purchase nerf as we got to play with her 2.0 sigma for a total of 3 days.

 

All in all, solid advice above. Wait and see rather than be disappointed. I used to be more confident in making my purchases on day one. Well, now WG no longer has the benefit of the doubt.

[dionkraft]

What do you think the price will be? $45.00 around so?    There will always be early adopters to plunge in - thats a given.  Others like me will take a 'wait and see' approach and see what gives.  Theres no rush

But thanks for the warning nevertheless - appreciate the heads-up. 

[MajorRenegade]

 we got to play with her 2.0 sigma for a total of 3 days.

anything to back up your claim?

[11thACRColdsteel]

Yep absolutely right OP.  On all new ship fieldings, I give them a couple weeks and then check their stats on the Warships Today website and see where they stack up in actual battles, before I go throwing down cash and EXP.   The WG specs often don't give a real good idea of how the ship/tank/plane actually performs in the game....

[Soshi_Sone]

 

Agreed. The Arizona is still a very accurate and powerful ship, but people were still upset anyway. I regret not getting her, but I already had the Texas.

 

Yes!  This 52% WR player is currently running over 74% in the Arizona after 30 games.  Puts me in the top 50 on the NA server for that ship.

[Patton5150]

Arizona sigma might have been nerfed prior to release.  But no one knew about that change until afterwards.  Some people did buy the Arizona because it was reported that the client files showed the sigma was at 2.0.  It was not until after release that WG said that the sigma was changed to 1.8 on the server.  Even though the client files showed it at 2.0.

[Alexandrix]

eh,the scharn seems like it will be a fun and unique ship.

but i'm sure it will be in the $40+ range,and to be honest i'm pretty much done essentially paying the price of a full blown game for one ship in wows.

Sub ~$25 is about the most they can hope to squeeze out of me anymore,so if it ever goes on sale down to that point,I'll grab it.

 

 

[Sakuzhi]

 If you're still here I'd like to remind you of the last Premium BB to grace our presence: The USS Arizona. All of the reviews before her release praised her accuracy and armor. Someone doing some digging found out that her sigma value was 2.0: on par with the Nikolai and Warspite(?). Commence hype. 

 

I like people that demand to continue crying over something that was never released to the public with a 2.0 Sigma Value.

[gurudennis]

Arizona sigma might have been nerfed prior to release.  But no one knew about that change until afterwards.  Some people did buy the Arizona because it was reported that the client files showed the sigma was at 2.0.  It was not until after release that WG said that the sigma was changed to 1.8 on the server.  Even though the client files showed it at 2.0.

 

WG never made any clarifications as to whether the changes had been made specifically on the server but not on the client, and whether it's even possible without breaking the client experience (hint: not likely). All we heard in their official statement by Boyarsky was that the sigma had been allegedly nerfed weeks prior to the ship appearing in the store, which is in direct contradiction with the 0.5.7 client files and therefore sounds like damage control. What I think happened was that the sigma had been nerfed in the pre-production non-live version of the client that was undergoing internal testing at the time, so the decision to nerf must have been made weeks prior to release exactly as Boyarsky suggested, except that the customers wouldn't see that version of the client and the server until three days after the store launch of Arizona in NA. In all likelihood, WG made a mistake in timing but didn't feel like admitting to it based on the amount of defensive rhetoric by fanboys on the forum that almost drowned out the dissenting opinions.

[Sakuzhi]

 WG never made any clarifications as to whether the changes had been made specifically on the server but not on the clien

 

They did actually, you like pretty much everyone else that can't be arsed to read the developer posts failed to bother to read when they did state such.

 

Twice.

 

Fact: The Arizona was not changed post release, anyone that states otherwise is simply paranoid.

[gurudennis]

They did actually, you like pretty much everyone else that can't be arsed to read the developer posts failed to bother to read when they did state such.

 

Twice.

 

Fact: The Arizona was not changed post release, anyone that states otherwise is simply paranoid.

 

Quote please.

 

Don't project your insecurities on me. I'm an attentive, reasonable and curious individual that can indeed "be [edited]" to look into those subjects that interest me. Arizona is one of them.

 

All I have seen thus far is a statement from NikoPower that he was unaware of the nerf and would clarify, followed by a statement by Boyarksy that the nerf had occurred weeks prior to store availability, with no explicit mention of server vs client disparity. Did I miss anything?