How to Fubuki: Stop upgrading to the C-hull

[Capt_Rye]

So lately ive been seeing a lot of fubuki players sailing around with the C hull. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS! 

 

the fubuki is a stealth torpedo boat, true. Its also got slow turning gun turrets. Early Russian DD's up to tier 6 also have slow turning turrets. She cant fire from stealth but neither can Russian dd's. And finally shes Japanese which means her AA is utter crap. 

 

So please, dont upgrade to the C hull, and use your guns to help finish off targets faster or kill secure dangerous ships like the shimakaze. 

 

below find a link to my video which shows that fubuki can gunboat too. 

 

[SergeantHop]

Fubuki actually can stealth fire if you go AFT route and concealment. It's not really the...recommended route, I've noticed, but it is still possible.

[centarina]

I have AFT/CE and have good stealthfiring range.  9.4-12km.    it has good fire chance as well. 

[Capt_Rye]

Fubuki actually can stealth fire if you go AFT route and concealment. It's not really the...recommended route, I've noticed, but it is still possible.

 

I have AFT/CE and have good stealthfiring range.  9.4-12km.    it has good fire chance as well. 

technically true. but like you said not recommended. the point is that once you open fire youre most likely gonna be spotted so be prepared for that. 

[BelgaraththeSorcerer]

I run gunboat Fubuki and it works very well as long as you are patient and can aim at distance

[chewonit]

I have AFT/CE and have good stealthfiring range.  9.4-12km.    it has good fire chance as well. 

 

This. And it gives you something to do between the looooong torp reloads.

[chewonit]

I run gunboat Fubuki and it works very well as long as you are patient and can aim at distance

 

It's not a gunboat when every one else has better guns than you. It at best provides a better deterrence to other DDs.

[ValkyrWarframe]

The C hull is a straight downgrade, you lose AA for also losing one gun too if you have the gun upgrade too.

 

By the way, gunboat Shimakaze is fun because it has the fastest reload for all Japanese destroyers and best torpedoes.

[TenguBlade]

The C hull is a straight downgrade, you lose AA for also losing one gun too if you have the gun upgrade too.

 

By the way, gunboat Shimakaze is fun because it has the fastest reload for all Japanese destroyers and best torpedoes.

The C hull does get an HP buff and a substantial one at that.  Guess it's the scrubs that can't adapt and WASD once spotted that take the C hull.

[centarina]

Well, you have to know when to use the guns, but they can be quite effective.    stealth firing is also very effective once enemy DDs are reduced.  you don't knife fight with it, but they are useful.

[ValkyrWarframe]

The C hull does get an HP buff and a substantial one at that.  Guess it's the scrubs that can't adapt and WASD once spotted that take the C hull.

 

I've seen so many brain-dead people on PT who go straight to the C hull and don't read carefully.

[VTAdmiral]

C hull is merely an XP sink. Theoretically it blocks progress to Kagero, but who would want to go past tier 8 after all the nerfs to tier 9 and 10 IJN destroyers?

 

Researching it has no point, now. It also actually drops your AA rating now.

[Capt_Rye]

 

I've seen so many brain-dead people on PT who go straight to the C hull and don't read carefully.

 

The C hull does get an HP buff and a substantial one at that.  Guess it's the scrubs that can't adapt and WASD once spotted that take the C hull.

c hull hp boost isnt as good as having survival expert skill. 

[MrDeaf]

 

c hull hp boost isnt as good as having survival expert skill. 

 

or you know... take both...

[VTAdmiral]

 

or you know... take both...

 

Or keep the B hull, the better AA, and the better anti-surface artillery.

[godzilla5549]

Survivability Expert as well as the C-hull for Kagerou/Fubuki is an instant indicator that an IJN DD will be of no use to me on my team.

[VTAdmiral]

Survivability Expert as well as the C-hull for Kagerou/Fubuki is an instant indicator that an IJN DD will be of no use to me on my team.

 

Considering C hull yanks a turret, and torpedoes are only situationally useful in tiers 8+ (due largely to the whining of incompetent battleship captains scapegoating torpedus for the camping meta when it was not even slightly related), yeah. You need that gun to be worthwhile.

[Sakuzhi]

Fubuki actually can stealth fire if you go AFT route and concealment. It's not really the...recommended route, I've noticed, but it is still possible.

 

There's really no reason to grab the C Hull, 1k hp and a bit more AA isn't worth using a twin gun mount.

 

Also you can Stealth Fire (as mentioned) from 9.9km to 11.3km (w/e max range is) which is hella-close for a DD to do it from. And there's really no reason not to Stealth fire when you have the chance to do so.

[VTAdmiral]

 

There's really no reason to grab the C Hull, 1k hp and a bit more AA isn't worth using a twin gun mount.

 

Also you can Stealth Fire (as mentioned) from 9.9km to 11.3km (w/e max range is) which is hella-close for a DD to do it from. And there's really no reason not to Stealth fire when you have the chance to do so.

 

Compare it. Since the AA change put more power into dual purpose guns, the C hull removing one of Fubuki's DP turrets to install more small-caliber AA now actually reduces her overall AA power. All you get from it is some HP, while losing Artillery and AA power.

[Sakuzhi]

 

Compare it. Since the AA change put more power into dual purpose guns, the C hull removing one of Fubuki's DP turrets to install more small-caliber AA now actually reduces her overall AA power. All you get from it is some HP, while losing Artillery and AA power.

 

So like I said, pretty much useless. The real question is do you want the 15km Torpedoes, or the 10km ones. Was doing decent with the 15km ones, was losing games because of the amount of potato on Sundays is physically painful to play with and I can carry much easier with a battleship than a DD.

[VTAdmiral]

 

So like I said, pretty much useless. The real question is do you want the 15km Torpedoes, or the 10km ones. Was doing decent with the 15km ones, was losing games because of the amount of potato on Sundays is physically painful to play with and I can carry much easier with a battleship than a DD.

 

I use the 10km ones without TA, because they're still faster than the 15km torpedoes with TA while doing 50% more damage and having about 30% less spotting range.

[Sakuzhi]

 

I use the 10km ones without TA, because they're still faster than the 15km torpedoes with TA while doing 50% more damage and having about 30% less spotting range.

 

It isn't 50% more damage (18k to 23k). Didn't know about the spotting range, as I like to hang back with the fubuki seeing as anytime I think I want to think I can survive getting within 7km of something I am very reminded that I was wrong and need to have a time out to think about my life..

[VTAdmiral]

 

It isn't 50% more damage (18k to 23k). Didn't know about the spotting range, as I like to hang back with the fubuki seeing as anytime I think I want to think I can survive getting within 7km of something I am very reminded that I was wrong and need to have a time out to think about my life..

 

It feels like 50% sometimes, but either way is significant.

 

If you're coasting within 7km of something in a boat with 10km torpedoes and 6km detection, you're doing it wrong. You should be broadside and turning away by 7km with fish already in the water.

 

Retreat back to >11km and start shooting something while you reload. Preferably something other than what you shot torpedoes at.

[Sakuzhi]

 

It feels like 50% sometimes, but either way is significant.

 

If you're coasting within 7km of something in a boat with 10km torpedoes and 6km detection, you're doing it wrong. You should be broadside and turning away by 7km with fish already in the water.

 

Retreat back to >11km and start shooting something while you reload. Preferably something other than what you shot torpedoes at.

 

I like 10.0 to 10.5km or so. Torp, Gun, Troll. And yes, I was clearly doing something wrong, the lemming Capturing teh thing! got the best of me (granted I wiped one of their DDs for their trouble) 

[VTAdmiral]

 

I like 10.0 to 10.5km or so. Torp, Gun, Troll. And yes, I was clearly doing something wrong, the lemming Capturing teh thing! got the best of me (granted I wiped one of their DDs for their trouble) 

 

Yeah you can't contest caps in Fubuki, you can only shoot torpedoes into them. Benson and Tashkent will ruin your day, it's best to leave that work to them. 

 

VMF and USN destroyers are destroyer hunters and gunfighters. IJN destroyers are decidedly giant slayers. Do not contest caps if you can help it, especially early. You will die more often than not. Best way to maximize your potential is to do long range gunnery support with the cruisers until most of the enemy destroyers and cruisers are gone, then wheel around and hunt for bigger, fatter, slower prey: Battleships.

 

that is to say, IJN destroyers suck early game, they're late-game carries. Pushing them to perform early is how most of them die.