825 [ARMDA] Unabletony Members 9,004 posts 6,779 battles Report post #1 Posted August 8, 2016 IT IS HERE HAHAHA 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,370 Terrible_Turtle Members 5,202 posts Report post #2 Posted August 8, 2016 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/90434-scharnhorst-a-cruisers-worst-nightmare/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
964 [PLPT] SergeantHop Members 4,435 posts 6,599 battles Report post #3 Posted August 8, 2016 Mm. Not yet. Not here until I can buy her. Can't buy her, not here yet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
825 [ARMDA] Unabletony Members 9,004 posts 6,779 battles Report post #4 Posted August 8, 2016 http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/90434-scharnhorst-a-cruisers-worst-nightmare/ hmm didn't know :3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 BlackBolt91 Members 9 posts 3,571 battles Report post #5 Posted August 8, 2016 I'm so pumped for this ship!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,762 Sir_Davos_Seaworth Members 4,272 posts 5,302 battles Report post #6 Posted August 9, 2016 I. Want. Her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #7 Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Its a beautiful Warship, I can't wait to get her eventually when the tree is released to the live server, she seems like a excellent Mid tier Ship, and is likely very fun to play as well judging by LWM's review. Edited August 9, 2016 by Imperium_Titan_Roma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
14 Mgun Beta Testers 22 posts 7,965 battles Report post #8 Posted August 9, 2016 WG nice job nerfing the HELL out of the Scharnhorst!!!! not worth it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,762 Sir_Davos_Seaworth Members 4,272 posts 5,302 battles Report post #9 Posted August 9, 2016 WG nice job nerfing the HELL out of the Scharnhorst!!!! not worth it. She was out of control from what I heard. Totally OP. From watching ichase's video, and think they did fine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
146 [TF16A] IAF_NASTY Members 386 posts 17,283 battles Report post #10 Posted August 10, 2016 She was out of control from what I heard. Totally OP. From watching ichase's video, and think they did fine... From what I saw from Jingles review she cannot pen a Omaha bow on I really wanted it till I watched his video Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #11 Posted August 10, 2016 WG nice job nerfing the HELL out of the Scharnhorst!!!! not worth it. The ship was overpowered, and Wargaming, seeing that issue, Wargaming decided to fix the issue, and put her back into the right place in her tier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,561 [HEROS] Belthorian Beta Testers 3,420 posts 6,591 battles Report post #12 Posted August 13, 2016 I will not be buying it.......it is so badly nerfed. I watched Jingles video where a New Orleans was bouncing shots at close range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
28 Jekub Beta Testers 281 posts 2,031 battles Report post #13 Posted August 13, 2016 The ship was overpowered, and Wargaming, seeing that issue, Wargaming decided to fix the issue, and put her back into the right place in her tier. Agreed, one Type 59 in wargaming's stable is enough! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9 Marine_Diesel Members 252 posts 1,781 battles Report post #14 Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) Yup, they definitely nerfed the ship alright.... Penetration the 28.3cm guns is slightly lacking when compared to technical test charts.WG might be using incorrect values. And didn't take into account the 20 degree pre-angle of armor the gun was being tested against. 10,936 yards (10,000 m) 13.70" (348 mm) 16,404 yards (15,000 m) 11.02" (280 mm) 21,872 yards (20,000 m) 8.86" (225 mm) 27,340 yards (25,000 m) 7.64" (194 mm) (The above information is from "German Capital Ships of World War Two." The data is based upon the pre-war Krupp test shoots on their range in Meppen with L/4,4 APC projectiles using RPC/32 propellant against KC-type armor at an impact angle of 70 degrees. It should be noted that RPC/32 propellant was replaced by the more powerful RPC/38 type which was the only propellant used in World War II.)So based on simply calculating the 20 degree test armor angling to zero degrees the buff would be:363mm to 370mm at 10KM289mm to 298mm at 15KM238mm? to 242mm at at 20KM (Marginal) Not even taking into account any other physics involved in shells penetration. Fix should be simple(I don't care how though):A: Mostly by improving the "Projectile Krupp" value a bit. (Quality of AP shell, I believe. I don't know the value.)B: Reducing the drag constant a slight bit. Seems already really low @ .2827 but still workable. Maybe it could be .2810?So in conclusion, the velocity of the 28.3cm guns is accurate but the penetration is subpar.. There is some room for an AP buff on Scharnhorst without the ship being OP. Even 1 millimeter could mean the difference between getting penetration damage or a citadel. (Source: Navweaps) Edited September 10, 2016 by TeslaSteel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9 Marine_Diesel Members 252 posts 1,781 battles Report post #15 Posted September 10, 2016 Scharnhorst is still junk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,729 Eisennagel Beta Testers 11,724 posts Report post #16 Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) One can definitely see some nerfing going on. This is based on official WoWs video. This is the Navweaps tables. Note the numbers correspond closer to the right but the explanation on the bottom says, they were not using the weaker propellant during the war. So the numbers on the left should be correct. Edited September 10, 2016 by Eisennagel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,729 Eisennagel Beta Testers 11,724 posts Report post #17 Posted September 10, 2016 Even when taking account of using the Nathan Okun's Facehard formula, see tables http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Penetration_Germany.htm At 15 km, you would still have penetration between 317 to 327mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
232 [FAL-I] rafael_azuaje Members 1,124 posts 48,243 battles Report post #18 Posted September 11, 2016 Blablabla. Scharnhorst doesnt citadel to new York on stock tier 5 gg , need buff dispersión is horrible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
