Torpedoes for battleships

[HeavyGustavOfTheSea]

I've been comparing multiple battleships from the World of warships game from the American tech tree, some of the Battleships that had torpedoes in real life aren't on the battleships in the game, like the New York and New Mexico Battleships, both had torpedo tubes mounted in real life, but aren't in the world of warships game, that'd be cool to have them added.

[Lert]

1) those tubes were fixed mounts. WG has said no to fixed mounts, because torpedoes in this game are dumbfire ones that can't be set on a curved arc.

2) those tubes were mounted under the surface of the water. WG has said no to underwater mounts.

3) those torpedoes were self-defense ones, with like 1km range and a pitifully small warhead (See further posts below)

 

So, no thanks.

[fredbob99705]

That is because they aren't deck mounted torpedo launchers. All under water torpedoes launchers wont be implemented (like the ones on most battleships). If you are wanting BBs with torpedoes look into the German BBs coming soon or the Tirpitz. The tier 7 German tech tree BB will have torps though if you don't want to pay real money.

[OffShorePanda97]

That is because they aren't deck mounted torpedo launchers. All under water torpedoes launchers wont be implemented (like the ones on most battleships). If you are wanting BBs with torpedoes look into the German BBs coming soon or the Tirpitz. The tier 7 German tech tree BB will have torps though if you don't want to pay real money.

 

I thought WG said no BBs with torps unless premium

[Lert]

I thought WG said no BBs with torps unless premium

 

Show me where WG said or even implied that.

[Elouda]

1) those tubes were fixed mounts. WG has said no to fixed mounts, because torpedoes in this game are dumbfire ones that can't be set on a curved arc.

2) those tubes were mounted under the surface of the water. WG has said no to underwater mounts.

3) those torpedoes were self-defense ones, with like 1km range and a pitifully small warhead

 

So, no thanks.

 

Just to chime in that while the other two points are valid, #3 most certainly is not. The underwater tubes were typically 18 or 21 inch tubes, and typically used torpedoes that were not very different from submarine launched counterparts. They had ranges in the 5-10km bracket by the end of WW1, with warheads from 200-500 lbs.

[Lert]

They had ranges in the 5-10km bracket by the end of WW1, with warheads from 200-500 lbs.

 

That's not what Ardreiss said a while back. But, I'll take your word for it - I have no reason to doubt you.

[Amogussy]

Not happening, but I am happy to say that the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst will have torpedoes!

[Elouda]

 

That's not what Ardreiss said a while back. But, I'll take your word for it - I have no reason to doubt you.

 

Well, it depends a lot on what timeframe/ships were talking about. Certainly it would hold true for the predreads or early dreadnought battleships in the pre/early WW1 timeframe, but just like surface and submarine torpedoes, there was a lot of improvement during and immediately after the war.

 

Using the RN as an example, the Colossus class (~1911) were the first BBs to move from 17.7in tubes to 21in tubes, and the torpedo used during WW1 by them and later classes (all the way through to Hood) was the 21in Mk I (200lb warhead, 1000yds@50kts or 7500yds@30kts), later the 21in Mk II*** (515lb warhead, 4500yds@45kts or 10750yds@31kts). At the end of war these were gradually replaced by the 21in Mk IV (515lb warhead, 8000yds@35kts, 10000yds@29kts or 13500yds@25kts) which to my knowledge were the last 21in capital ship torpedo put into service by the RN, and still in service in WW2. And then there's Nelson with her 24.5in tubes.

 

Development in the USN and IJN was fairly similar to the above, though a little behind. Not particularly familiar with German capital ship torpedoes, but I can only assume similar capability given how solid their destroyer and submarine torpedo development was.

[MaliceA4Thought]

 

That's not what Ardreiss said a while back. But, I'll take your word for it - I have no reason to doubt you.

 

Yeah not sure what Ardreiss was on about although I remember the post.

 

Rodney and Nelson carried 24.5" Mk1 Torpedoes  (unique to these two ships)..  14 km at 35 knots or 18km at 30 knots, with a 2.6kg warhead.   They were the design that Japan picked up on when they designed the Long Lance ones.

 

Rodney fired 12 at Bismark and hit with 1 whilst zigzagging across Bismarks bow alternately firing from each side as the tubes bore.

 

She had 2 TT's, both submerged,  1 either side.

 

EDIT..  found this line drawing showing the location of the TT on Nelson...

 

 

As to will we see them..  nope.

 

 

M

[Lert]

Well, it depends a lot on what timeframe/ships were talking about.

 

Stock hulls on early (pre-) WWI dreads, most of which lost their tubes when receiving upgrades - so most of them wouldn't get them with the upgraded hulls anyways.

[BladedPheonix]

BBs do enough damage already, they don't need torpedoes!

 

[OffShorePanda97]

 

Show me where WG said or even implied that.

 

I don't know but I saw a few post a few months ago in this topic. They said the same thing

[MrEndeavour]

BBs do enough damage already, they don't need torpedoes!

 

So remove Tripitz torps?? 

[Umikami]

(sung to the meow mix theme)

 

no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, just plain hell no

 

no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no,

do you hear me, I said HELL NO!

 

no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no,

can you hear me when I say

ain't no gosh-darn freakin way!!

 

(repeat)

[HeavyGustavOfTheSea]

That is because they aren't deck mounted torpedo launchers. All under water torpedoes launchers wont be implemented (like the ones on most battleships). If you are wanting BBs with torpedoes look into the German BBs coming soon or the Tirpitz. The tier 7 German tech tree BB will have torps though if you don't want to pay real money.

 

I'm fixing on getting German Battleships, when they finally do add them

 

[HeavyGustavOfTheSea]

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Mexico_(BB-40

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_(BB-34)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_South_Carolina_(BB-26)

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/compare-navy-ships-results.asp?form=form&ship1=USS-New-York-BB34&ship2=USS-New-Mexico-BB40&Submit=Compare+Ships

A Battleship with torpedoes, that's supposed to have Torpedoes in real life having the torpedoes added in the game, just saying, I'd think that it'd be a cool addition to the game, and if those torpedoes, were for defense only, that's fine.

 

 

 

[KingJacko]

3) those torpedoes were self-defense ones, with like 1km range and a pitifully small warhead (See further posts below)

Nobody would use 'em anyways

[warlords24]

I've been comparing multiple battleships from the World of warships game from the American tech tree, some of the Battleships that had torpedoes in real life aren't on the battleships in the game, like the New York and New Mexico Battleships, both had torpedo tubes mounted in real life, but aren't in the world of warships game, that'd be cool to have them added.

 

didnt know that they have torpedo tube, although it would make sense to add torpedo tubes in new york and mexico

[Jet_set117]

I've been comparing multiple battleships from the World of warships game from the American tech tree, some of the Battleships that had torpedoes in real life aren't on the battleships in the game, like the New York and New Mexico Battleships, both had torpedo tubes mounted in real life, but aren't in the world of warships game, that'd be cool to have them added.

 

Here is the thing with them, they were special cases but after a hull overhaul they were removed, they weren't surface torpedo tubes they were underwater frontal tubes, Tirpitz and Scharhorst have torps and in 6km and they don't do much damage, using your torps effectively just won't happen you would have to be facing direct forward towards where you plan to launch making it suicidal to use. Plus most of those BBs with torps like New York and New Mexico never fired them, Fuso had torps but was removed after her armor overhaul along with the Kongo classes. Where and what you think those torps were are not what you are expecting.