Carriers are ridiculous

[DemarticusStone]

No matter how much you turn, no matter how much you try and dodge, they ALWAYS hit you with their torps, and it's [edited], and as soon as they drop their load, THEN your AA starts doing work.

 

It's so stupid, they can effectively wipe a Battleship completely off the map, and not even have to work for it, I've played Carriers, I KNOW how OP they are.

 

No matter what you do, you can NEVER dodge the friggin' torps, and it's ridiculous, they need YET ANOTHER nerf because WG doesn't get it, they're the most powerful force in this game besides DD's.

 

There should NOT be a moment in a battleship where you CAN'T dodge torp bombers, but guess what? With the way they can drop, THERE ARE.

[LordCorellon]

might I ask why your fighters arent intercepting the enemy torpedo bombers

[DemarticusStone]

might I ask why your fighters arent intercepting the enemy torpedo bombers

 

Because I'm not playing a Carrier, I'm playing a Battleship, and my Battleship doesn't have a fighter because I don't have it mounted.

[goldeagle1123]

CVs are already in a pretty bad spot right now, they don't need to be nerfed more. The only time I have trouble with CVs in a BB is when i'm isolated and alone, just like in real life, stay with other ships for maximum AA umbrella effectiveness, you're essentially immune to same and lower tier CVs if you're with two or more allies.

[DemarticusStone]

CVs are already in a pretty bad spot right now, they don't need to be nerfed more. The only time I have trouble with CVs in a BB is when i'm isolated and alone, just like in real life, stay with other ships for maximum AA umbrella effectiveness, you're essentially immune to same and lower tier CVs if you're with two or more allies.

 

I WAS with other allies and the only time we chopped the planes down was AFTER they dropped their load.

 

And no, CV's aren't in a bad spot, at all.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

At low tiers and at high tiers they are. Mid tiers they don't have the reserves and there are actually ships with AA so it's much harder.

 

At tier 4 a decent CV can eliminate an enemy cv with two decent strafes and then owns the rest of the game. At least at higher tiers CVs get a little more chance to make mistakes.

[goldeagle1123]

 

I WAS with other allies and the only time we chopped the planes down was AFTER they dropped their load.

 

And no, CV's aren't in a bad spot, at all.

 

I don't often pull this card, but you don't even play CVs. CVs are weaker now than they've ever been, the only time CVs can effectively wreak havoc on a BBs is when he's alone. If it's a higher tier CV, then maybe he'll land a few torp hits in the midst of all the combined AA of several ships, but he's not going to do so without taking at least moderate plane casualties.

[DemarticusStone]

 

I don't often pull this card, but you don't even play CVs. CVs are weaker now than they've ever been, the only time CVs can effectively wreak havoc on a BBs is when he's alone. If it's a higher tier CV, then maybe he'll land a few torp hits in the midst of all the combined AA of several ships, put he's not going to do so without taking at least moderate plane casualties.

 

Did you not read the post? I HAVE played them, RECENTLY, just to see how stupidly op they are, and they STILL are.

[Personator]

 Have fun playing stock Shokaku against a team full of DMs. I guarantee you'll have fun.  /s

 

If you played CVs, you'd know how bad they are atm. And looking at what ships you've played, you seemed to have failed your way up to the Bogue. 

[DemarticusStone]

At low tiers and at high tiers they are. Mid tiers they don't have the reserves and there are actually ships with AA so it's much harder.

 

At tier 4 a decent CV can eliminate an enemy cv with two decent strafes and then owns the rest of the game. At least at higher tiers CVs get a little more chance to make mistakes.

 

It's the higher tiers, Tier 8-10 are just broken.

[BlazerSparta]

I don't often pull this card, but you don't even play CVs. CVs are weaker now than they've ever been, the only time CVs can effectively wreak havoc on a BBs is when he's alone. If it's a higher tier CV, then maybe he'll land a few torp hits in the midst of all the combined AA of several ships, put he's not going to do so without taking at least moderate plane casualties.

 

"Weaker than they've ever been" is still pretty damn strong.

 

I was pulling a 70% W/R with Shoukaku while I was retraining it's captain. Just the last day or so of spamming Shoukaku to get my captain retrained and to finish unlocking all it's modules has brought my overall W/R up over 53%.

 

Even a meh game puts me in the middle of the team, simply because the fact that I lose planes instead of health means I can come back swinging, hard, even if I make some massive mistake early on.

[Skeem689]

>i've played carriers

>played up to bouge

>12 battles 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

With all the nerfs to CVs, especially against USN ones, with the handing out of Defensive Fire like candy to more Cruisers (which was once really mostly a USN Cruiser perk), with the improvement of AA for numerous ships by WG... because.... for "reasons" and some Non-USN Cruisers can attain 100 AA... and with all this, Carriers are now played less than they've ever been before... Carriers are not ridiculous.

 

Every other patch has been a direct or indirect nerf to Carriers.

 

Carriers aren't a problem.

 

If you're a BB, you need escorts if CVs are around to mitigate the danger (I said mitigate, not negate) of air strikes, or be torn apart.  Even 100 AA rating Iowa, Montana can be blitzed if they don't have an AA escort with Defensive Fire.

[shootieboats]

"Weaker than they've ever been" is still pretty damn strong.

 

I was pulling a 70% W/R with Shoukaku while I was retraining it's captain. Just the last day or so of spamming Shoukaku to get my captain retrained and to finish unlocking all it's modules has brought my overall W/R up over 53%.

 

Even a meh game puts me in the middle of the team, simply because the fact that I lose planes instead of health means I can come back swinging, hard, even if I make some massive mistake early on.

 

That's not quite how it works though. Your winrate in a CV has little to do with how good or bad CVs are as a class. It's almost entirely predicated on how much better you are than the enemy CV, assuming CVs aren't further nerfed to the point of complete uselessness.

[Misniso]

 

Did you not read the post? I HAVE played them, RECENTLY, just to see how stupidly op they are, and they STILL are.

 

I hardly think winning 3 games out of 12 is a good indication of how OP a class is...especially when you free exp past the first ship because you're sick of a 20% win rate...

[DemarticusStone]

 

I hardly think winning 3 games out of 12 is a good indication of how OP a class is...especially when you free exp past the first ship because you're sick of a 20% win rate...

 

Oh don't EVER pull that winratio BULL on me EVER again.

 

Every match I hit almost FULL salvo's of Torpedoes, and the higher tier you get, the more [edited]you have to deal with.

[LordCorellon]

 

Because I'm not playing a Carrier, I'm playing a Battleship, and my Battleship doesn't have a fighter because I don't have it mounted.

 

that would explain alot. Now my next question, why arent you turning into torp bombers?

[DemarticusStone]

With all the nerfs to CVs, especially against USN ones, with the handing out of Defensive Fire like candy to more Cruisers (which was once really mostly a USN Cruiser perk), with the improvement of AA for numerous ships by WG... because.... for "reasons" and some Non-USN Cruisers can attain 100 AA... and with all this, Carriers are now played less than they've ever been before... Carriers are not ridiculous.

 

Every other patch has been a direct or indirect nerf to Carriers.

 

Carriers aren't a problem.

 

If you're a BB, you need escorts if CVs are around to mitigate the danger (I said mitigate, not negate) of air strikes, or be torn apart.  Even 100 AA rating Iowa, Montana can be blitzed if they don't have an AA escort with Defensive Fire.

 

Oh don't try and tell me NOTHING about Carriers not being a problem, YES.THEY.ARE.

 

Their Torpedo bombers are INVINCIBLE to AA fire, and ohh suddenly, after they drop their payload, THEN your Anti-Air can do something.

 

It's complete bullcrap.

 

I was in an IOWA with a 89 AA Rating, but noooo, apparently I can't shoot down TIER EIGHT Torpedo Bombers, yup, makes total sense.

 

Carriers are in the worst spot they've ever been. (Sarcasm.)

[BlazerSparta]

 

That's not quite how it works though. Your winrate in a CV has little to do with how good or bad CVs are as a class. It's almost entirely predicated on how much better you are than the enemy CV, assuming CVs aren't further nerfed to the point of complete uselessness.

 

Good point. 88k average damage, 1.8 average kills per game. And I'm not even an exceptionally good player.

 

Hardly the sign of a struggling class.

 

 

[DemarticusStone]

 

that would explain alot. Now my next question, why arent you turning into torp bombers?

 

DID YOU NOT READ THE POST?!

 

Dear God in Heaven, I even SAID: "No matter how much you turn, no matter how much you try and dodge, they ALWAYS hit you with their torps"

 

So YES, I DID try turning into them 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

Oh don't try and tell me NOTHING about Carriers not being a problem, YES.THEY.ARE.

 

Their Torpedo bombers are INVINCIBLE to AA fire, and ohh suddenly, after they drop their payload, THEN your Anti-Air can do something.

 

It's complete bullcrap.

 

I was in an IOWA with a 89 AA Rating, but noooo, apparently I can't shoot down TIER EIGHT Torpedo Bombers, yup, makes total sense.

 

Carriers are in the worst spot they've ever been. (Sarcasm.)

 

LOL, please don't discredit your panicked self anymore 

 

As I said before in the post you quoted, if your'e in a BB, your AA can be blitzed.  Your AA is merely a supplement to what the team is doing.  What are you looking for?  An Immunity Bubble? 

[LordCorellon]

 

DID YOU NOT READ THE POST?!

 

Dear God in Heaven, I even SAID: "No matter how much you turn, no matter how much you try and dodge, they ALWAYS hit you with their torps"

 

So YES, I DID try turning into them 

 

I apologize. Then my next question would be, why arent you turning better?

[DemarticusStone]

 

LOL, please don't discredit your panicked self anymore 

 

As I said before in the post you quoted, if your'e in a BB, your AA can be blitzed.  Your AA is merely a supplement to what the team is doing.  What are you looking for?  An Immunity Bubble? 

 

What I'm LOOKING FOR is for my Anti-Air TO DO SOMETHING.

 

My Iowa is piss-poor at taking down planes, Tier 8 Planes should be vaporized by my Iowa, but no, I can barely take down 1 plane before they get anywhere near me.

 

That's with Modules, that's with Perks, ANYTHING to buff my Anti-Air, and it STILL does nothing.

[HMSTog]

12 games in CVs isn't nearly enough to form an opinion if a class is OP. I have both T7 CVs and I say that they really don't need another nerf. Especially considering how few high tier CVs you see these days.

 

Get a high tier CV without free XPing, then we'll talk.

[DemarticusStone]

 

I apologize. Then my next question would be, why arent you turning better?

 

Yes, because turning nose into them apparently ISN'T turning better.

 

They simply reposition on my side, while I'm still turning, and I'm a goner.