German BB's comes with Hydroacoutstic, huh?

[anonym_LreZfNvihoej]

Apparently that's the news: The Armored Patrol have this:

"Credits: Babykim, EU

In the minipatch 0.5.9.1, the German battleships of tiers 8/9/10 got the Hydroacoustic Search

Bismark from Hipper

Friedrich der Große from Hindenburg

Grosser Kurfuerst from Hindenburg

This is obviously not mentioned in the patch notes"

 

I think there's two moments: WG really starting washing out rock-paper-scissors formula lately (sonar is dedicated anti-DD tool and DD is dedicated anti-BB tool), and second - but that would make unique flavor for KM BB's. In general therefore I feel negative about this. Guess next thing kamrad Stalin will provide radar for Soviet BB's?

 

[Linnart]

The higher tier Battleships have such a massive beam and turning circle, that not giving them sonar is a death sentence. The Großer Kurfurst has over a 1000m turning circle, so imagine trying to dodge torpedoes in that. Its more of a balance decision than a gameplay one (meaning that the BBs arent meant to give chase to DDs because of their sonar.)

 

[Max_Dispersion]

Given how in most games now BB's tend to have to kill the DD's cause the cruisers are more interested in running away when a DD is spotted or ignore them to keep setting fires on other BB's, I look forward to seeing how it works out.

[HellfireCity]

As Linnart said, the ships are really large and have some major drawbacks because of their size when it comes to torpedoes.

 

Will it save them? Who knows. They're not even released yet.

[MrDeaf]

It will be roughly 6km acquisition range for the T9/10 and about 5km for Bismarck

 

Which is pretty useless, when you look at the maneuverability and size of the T9/10.

I found Hipper hydro to be utterly useless a majority of the time, so I doubt it will be any better on Bismarck.

[BladedPheonix]

Well there's just 1 problem, Hydroacoutstic search only has a what? 5km range? unless they increase the range its useless because most DDs at this tier have 10km torpedoes!

[MrDeaf]

Well there's just 1 problem, Hydroacoutstic search only has a what? 5km range? unless they increase the range its useless because most DDs at this tier have 10km torpedoes!

 

No good DD captain will fire their torps from 10km, because there's too much time to randomly WASD that.

 

Good DD captains will launch their salvo from around 6km to 6.5km, because their detection range is around 5.4km to 5.8km.

These torps are typically very hard to avoid.

 

But then the hydro on T8 and T10 german ships... are kind of crap, because they only detect other ships out to around 5km and 5.9km, respectively.

So, although hydro would prevent a DD from sitting off your side at 5.4km, it doesn't really stop them from launching from 6km, because... guess what... the hydro is crap.

[saagri]

If high tier german BB's get hydro, US BB's should get radar <_<

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

Wonder at which slot it will be available.

 

I think WG decided to make Hydro a "thing" for German. I'm pretty confident that their DD will also come with Hydro.

[Final_Spark]

Wonder at which slot it will be available.

 

I think WG decided to make Hydro a "thing" for German. I'm pretty confident that their DD will also come with Hydro.

 

It gets it's own slot alongside the plane and repair. This stuff was datamined a couple days ago.

[AkiraKurai]

Im waiting for them to give their russian BBs radars and defensive AA now. 

 

[Captain_Dorja]

I wonder what possible reasons there could be for a proliferation of consumables designed to detect DDs that are invisible.

 

I'm not saying it's because smoke is OP, but I feel like the two are related.

[ArmouredCarriers]

Er, yeah

That'll really add to the historical flavour of the Germans

After all, they spent most of the war fighting off a blockade of submarines that was sinking the shipping keeping the civilians fed on their island nation.

 

Er, wait...

 

NVM. I'm sure it will be fine. Just so long as the RN get superior optics and the USN vodka!

[Dutch_81]

If high tier german BB's get hydro, US BB's should get radar <_<

 

Do you want it, or do they need it for balancing reasons. I have a feeling that the German BB's were underperforming so they tried to give the a bit of special flavor with a minor boost to compensate ... I don't think it is a good sign for the line that this is suddenly being introduced.

 

[BlazerSparta]

Given how in most games now BB's tend to have to kill the DD's cause the cruisers are more interested in running away when a DD is spotted or ignore them to keep setting fires on other BB's, I look forward to seeing how it works out.

 

Depends. I know in Zao, I'll sometimes run away from DDs, not because I'm afraid the DD will kill me, but because the DD is spotting me, which will kill me.

[BlazerSparta]

If high tier german BB's get hydro, US BB's should get radar <_<

 

Imo USN BBs should get a weakened version of DF for self defense, i.e. the CV version.

 

Affects mid range AA only, so just the Bofors, but with CA duration and CD (40s, 3 min CD. Or whatever it was).

 

Wonder at which slot it will be available.

 

I think WG decided to make Hydro a "thing" for German. I'm pretty confident that their DD will also come with Hydro.

 

IRC it comes in it's own slot, i.e. they still have a catapault fighter and heal.

 

i.e., the same as a high tier CA.

[Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Takao]

probably to like how high tier CV's get AA barrage, but unfortunately the DD captains are gonna probably whine  

[goldeagle1123]

It's not even that GK has a massive turning circle, it also has the worst torpedo protection of the T10 BBs.

[saagri]

 

Do you want it, or do they need it for balancing reasons. I have a feeling that the German BB's were underperforming so they tried to give the a bit of special flavor with a minor boost to compensate ... I don't think it is a good sign for the line that this is suddenly being introduced.

 

 

Would be nice. Kind of interesting how they pulled such a drastic change before release.

[saagri]

 

Imo USN BBs should get a weakened version of DF for self defense, i.e. the CV version.

 

Affects mid range AA only, so just the Bofors, but with CA duration and CD (40s, 3 min CD. Or whatever it was).

 

 

IRC it comes in it's own slot, i.e. they still have a catapault fighter and heal.

 

i.e., the same as a high tier CA.

 

T8+ US BB's can already $%^#! up planes by themselves, would be fairly pointless in my opinion.

[JohnBlackJackGeary]

Given how big the T10 is and how bad it turns I think it needs it. 

[BlazerSparta]

T8+ US BB's can already $%^#! up planes by themselves, would be fairly pointless in my opinion.

 

Not really.

 

Or maybe I've just been up against some really crappy USN BB players in Shoukaku. I've effed up my share of Iowas so far.

 

So far, the worst AA I've come across against was from a Fletcher, of all things.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

Depends. I know in Zao, I'll sometimes run away from DDs, not because I'm afraid the DD will kill me, but because the DD is spotting me, which will kill me.

 

Bingo.

 

Detected Cruisers at high tiers live a very dangerous life with all those 16", 16"/50, 18" guns.

 

A Cruiser having to do anti-DD work at high tiers is an even more dangerous venture.

[saagri]

 

Not really.

 

Or maybe I've just been up against some really crappy USN BB players in Shoukaku. I've effed up my share of Iowas so far.

 

So far, the worst AA I've come across against was from a Fletcher, of all things.

 

Fully decked out with AA, my Iowa has blown up full flight groups, especially from a lower tier. Main thing is to run away from the plane.

 

Most people now probably use the shiny new main battery mod and the like. Especially since CV's are few and far between.

 

One match my Gearing has shot down 58 planes.

 

US AA OP.

[Special_Kay]

People keep jumping to specs about how well it will spot destroyers. When was the last time you rolled up inside 5km against a battleship and waited in smoke to reload your tubes?

 

Hydroacoustic search, especially in the areas cumbersome battleships will be operating, is a defensive consumable meant to spot torpedoes before it's too late to dodge them.