24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #1 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) So I can't help but wonder how frequently this happens and goes unnoticed in the course of battle ... And I know the developers and their testers will deny the bias towards Russian ships which frequently seem to display magical properties that shouldn't exist with the stated game mechanics ... but this was SO obvious as it happened at the outset of a game it couldn't be missed. Loaded up HE shells in the match just completed in fully built out Iowa because of the number of destroyers in the game. First encounter is with a Khabarovsk, First volley 2 target hits displayed and zero damage ... no bounces ... did I load AP by mistake? Nope, HE reloading. second volley 3 target hits ... zero damage. Third volley 3 more target hits with HE which register as defending base and zero damage. Plain as day on my screen 8 total hits, none registered as bounces which shouldn't happen with HE anyway, on a Khabarovsk and not one single point of damage recorded. So how's that happen? Given how well that ship is out preforming against others I can only guess quite frequently. Edited August 6, 2016 by UncleDirtNap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #2 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) "Balanced". What were you using? A cruiser? Edited August 6, 2016 by Destroyer_Kiyoshimo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
619 [-GPS-] Landing_Skipper Members 2,955 posts 46,814 battles Report post #3 Posted August 6, 2016 Embrace Mother Russia with love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #4 Posted August 6, 2016 So I can't help but wonder how frequently this happens and goes unnoticed in the course of battle ... And I know the developers and their testers will deny the bias towards Russian ships which frequently seem to display magical properties that shouldn't exist with the stated game mechanics ... but this was SO obvious as it happened at the outset of a game it couldn't be missed. Loaded up HE shells in the match just completed in fully built out Iowa because of the number of destroyers in the game. First encounter is with a Khabarovsk, First volley two target hits displayed and zero damage ... no bounces ... did I load AP by mistake? Nope, HE reloading. second volley 3 target hits ... zero damage. Third volley 3 more target hits with HE which register as defending base and zero damage. Plain as day on my screen 8 total hits, none registered as bounces which shouldn't happen with HE anyway, on a Khabarovsk and not one single point of damage recorded. So how's that happen? Given how well that ship is out preforming against others I can only guess quite frequently. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #5 Posted August 6, 2016 "Balanced". What were you using? A cruiser? Embrace Mother Russia with love! "Balanced". What were you using? A cruiser? Like I said Iowa battleship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #6 Posted August 6, 2016 Replay? Screenshots? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
546 [-K--] BelgaraththeSorcerer Members 2,680 posts 7,993 battles Report post #7 Posted August 6, 2016 *is skeptical* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,326 [MUDDX] CAPTMUDDXX Banned 8,144 posts 25,482 battles Report post #8 Posted August 6, 2016 oh well no need to bother getting an Iowa then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #9 Posted August 6, 2016 Like I said Iowa battleship Oh there it is. I got nothin', but it shouldn't be withstanding 16 inch HE like that, so people are going to be asking for proof. A replay would be best for this, or video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
166 [5IN] Sir_Godz Members 1,371 posts 34,396 battles Report post #10 Posted August 6, 2016 lol. What happens with HE hits is that they hit modules and those take the damage but the HP of the ship does not. This is why most BBs stick to AP when shooting DDs even when it may be a prolonged single engagement. In fairness this can happen when shooting BBs as well. The shells either hit modules ( BBs can be nothing but modules stem to stern on the deck line ) and do no ship damage or overpen doing little damage and deflect doing nothing at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #11 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) oh well no need to bother getting an Iowa then Shouldn't be specific to a ship, if the difference between AP & HE shells is still as was stated in the past that AP risks bouncing and or over penetrating and causing little or no damage but HE won't then this should happen on any ship, not ever. Edited August 6, 2016 by UncleDirtNap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #12 Posted August 6, 2016 Replay? Screenshots? Didn't bother because I know from past experience when posting screenshots of such of such slight of hand from Russian ships that the evidence is simply ignored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #13 Posted August 6, 2016 Oh there it is. I got nothin', but it shouldn't be withstanding 16 inch HE like that, so people are going to be asking for proof. A replay would be best for this, or video. No point, been there done that, screen shot proof and replays get dismissed anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #14 Posted August 6, 2016 lol. What happens with HE hits is that they hit modules and those take the damage but the HP of the ship does not. This is why most BBs stick to AP when shooting DDs even when it may be a prolonged single engagement. In fairness this can happen when shooting BBs as well. The shells either hit modules ( BBs can be nothing but modules stem to stern on the deck line ) and do no ship damage or overpen doing little damage and deflect doing nothing at all. So damage to modules doesn't register as damage points to the shooter inflicting the damage on the modules? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,343 [BKSHD] MidnightShamalan Members 2,274 posts 7,317 battles Report post #15 Posted August 6, 2016 No point, been there done that, screen shot proof and replays get dismissed anyway. only if they're wrong, bro. only if they're wrong... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 anonym_LreZfNvihoej Members 652 posts Report post #16 Posted August 6, 2016 8 HE heats and 0 damage... yeah, u-huh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
24 UncleDirtNap Members 168 posts Report post #17 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) *is skeptical* Indeed, that's how I spend my Saturday mornings, playing a game and making stuff up about what happened. Much easier to rationalize for some than acknowledging the built in bias that the vast majority of players believe exists. Edited August 6, 2016 by UncleDirtNap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
360 Rion12 Members 2,072 posts 2,712 battles Report post #18 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) So damage to modules doesn't register as damage points to the shooter inflicting the damage on the modules? Modules can have a weird tendency to absorb HE hits and make them do no damage to the ship's main HP pool. I personally do think that the Russian ships are a bit ridiculous on the balancing end, but I highly doubt WG is so biased as to intentionally hand them random invuln for no reason. Edited August 6, 2016 by Rion12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,478 [HINON] renegadestatuz Members 7,656 posts 9,539 battles Report post #19 Posted August 6, 2016 Hmmm something smells fishy, and it's not the McDonald's Filet-O-Fish currently in front of my face. Something doesn't add up unless you were hitting destroyed modules, in which case since they're already destroyed you wouldn't be doing any damage of hitting them again and again. Like others have said, screenshots for proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 [EF21] Rusty_Bucket__ Members 681 posts 48,643 battles Report post #20 Posted August 6, 2016 Well, that answers it, I need to get one of them Khabarovsks, I just noticed that I'm not to far from the Udaloi! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,605 [HINON] Nuk_ Beta Testers 3,931 posts 8,150 battles Report post #21 Posted August 6, 2016 Didn't bother because I know from past experience when posting screenshots of such of such slight of hand from Russian ships that the evidence is simply ignored. Sounds to me like an excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,478 [HINON] renegadestatuz Members 7,656 posts 9,539 battles Report post #22 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Well, that answers it, I need to get one of them Khabarovsks, I just noticed that I'm not to far from the Udaloi! Go sail magic Russian ship with invisible wall of impenetrable Satlinium!!! :-D Edited August 6, 2016 by renegadestatuz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
458 AspiringCodger Beta Testers 2,029 posts Report post #23 Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) It's definitely not common, but similar things have happened to me. Something very similar happened a while back in my North Carolina. AP was bouncing and overpenning in the same salvo repeatedly and I was doing next to nothing for damage, so I switched to HE only to have two high hit percentage, zero damage salvos. That was against a Pensacola though. It's not Russian bias, it's just RNG. Sometimes it likes to kick you in the potatoes. Edited August 6, 2016 by AspiringCodger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
306 [AYAME] Yamato_Rekka_ProjektA150 Alpha Tester 364 posts 8,664 battles Report post #24 Posted August 6, 2016 Spoiler Russian bias confirmed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,799 IronWolfV Alpha Tester, Beta Testers 30,523 posts 6,337 battles Report post #25 Posted August 6, 2016 Spoiler Russian bias confirmed eh? what I was laughing about was the fact that the OP seems to think that we stamp A OK on Russian bias. He couldn't be more wrong if he tried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
