Japanese Cruisers - the Floating Paper Boats of the Game

[asianpaine]

So Wargaming said it reworked armor models in the last patches. Part of these reworkings, from my understanding, is a "buff" or increase in armor for nearly all the ships in the game. To be honest, since the last patch, I've been getting smoked in my aoba. In all the cruisers I've used, IJN ones seem to be the most paper (yup German ones are actually better). No matter how far away you are, or how much you angle your aoba, a New York from 16 kilometers away still scores TWO CITADELS ON ME. Most BB shots that hit me take away 4000-6000HP, within moments I'm dead. This is applicable to all IJN cruisers. I completely agree with the fact that if a cruiser shows broadside, the captain deserves to be citadeled, but sometimes the RNG mechanics of this game are absolutely RIDICULOUS (like when I angle my ship and still get hit in the citadel). 

 

Please comment! Thanks! 

[Lert]

 

Part of these reworkings, from my understanding, is a "buff" or increase in armor for nearly all the ships in the game

 

You understood wrong, and are expecting things that were never promised.

[Seraphil]

Play Soviet/German cruisers and you'll suddenly get a better appreciation for the armor of IJN cruisers.

[Combined_Fleet_HQ]

 

 

You understood wrong, and are expecting things that were never promised.

 

^^^ Lert, once again, coming in with the logic bomb to crush your hopes and dreams

[Balck_]

Japanese Cruisers, Furutaka and up, are amazingly good fun.  

 

Work on situational awareness and never, ever, have your broadside to an enemy BB or you will pay for it, as you've clearly noticed.  That includes trying to send off your torpedoes while spotted at maximum range.

[Hunter_Steel]

So Wargaming said it reworked armor models in the last patches. Part of these reworkings, from my understanding, is a "buff" or increase in armor for nearly all the ships in the game. To be honest, since the last patch, I've been getting smoked in my aoba. In all the cruisers I've used, IJN ones seem to be the most paper (yup German ones are actually better). No matter how far away you are, or how much you angle your aoba, a New York from 16 kilometers away still scores TWO CITADELS ON ME. Most BB shots that hit me take away 4000-6000HP, within moments I'm dead. This is applicable to all IJN cruisers. I completely agree with the fact that if a cruiser shows broadside, the captain deserves to be citadeled, but sometimes the RNG mechanics of this game are absolutely RIDICULOUS (like when I angle my ship and still get hit in the citadel). 

 

Please comment! Thanks! 

 

Please edit your title so that the "Jap" isn't in it.

It's actually against the forum rules.

 

~Hunter

[ArchMadman]

A ship is only good if you use it right, if you come on here and complain it's obvious your not using it right.

[BladedPheonix]

Armor changes were given to USN BBs only, no other ships were changed! Pretty sure they even put it in bold letters!

[4bRbyHSSzZ6pk]

Who needs armor when you have their concealment?

[BladedPheonix]

A ship is only good if you use it right, if you come on here and complain it's obvious your not using it right.

 

also, THIS^^^^

[Gandariel]

anctually JPY crusiers are pretty good balanced IMHO.

 

 

[Seraphil]

Armor changes were given to USN BBs only, no other ships were changed! Pretty sure they even put it in bold letters!

 

They did Japanese cruisers in patch 5.8.

[BladedPheonix]

 

They did Japanese cruisers in patch 5.8.

 

WHAT?!!?!!

[Skramjet]

LOL play a Nurnberg and worship IJN armor.

[BrushWolf]

 

Please edit your title so that the "Jap" isn't in it.

It's actually against the forum rules.

 

~Hunter

 

Yes, edit the title by using the full editor or you will get modded and possibly get a warning for it.

 

A ship is only good if you use it right, if you come on here and complain it's obvious your not using it right.

 

QFT!

[DasBootcamp]

To be fair there were armor reworks, but not of entire ships. The majority of the reworks were on battleships, specifically the US line along with the Warspite and Tirpitz. Some armor changes on gun cases increasing health and what not.

 

To be blunt, IJN cruisers are actually pretty beastly. As I think about it, I would say they are the best armored in the whole game. VMF and KM ships are true paper. US is alright but don't bring nearly the same firepower. Some of the IJN ships have an incredible bow tanking ability too (looking at you Furataka C and Mogami). If you really are struggling with them and want to experience a more linear approach to armor, I would try BB's. Germany's line should be out Soon™ so you will have options.

[SergeantHop]

To be fair there were armor reworks, but not of entire ships. The majority of the reworks were on battleships, specifically the US line along with the Warspite and Tirpitz. Some armor changes on gun cases increasing health and what not.

 

To be blunt, IJN cruisers are actually pretty beastly. As I think about it, I would say they are the best armored in the whole game. VMF and KM ships are true paper. US is alright but don't bring nearly the same firepower. Some of the IJN ships have an incredible bow tanking ability too (looking at you Furataka C and Mogami). If you really are struggling with them and want to experience a more linear approach to armor, I would try BB's. Germany's line should be out Soon™ so you will have options.

 

It was in 0.5.8 that they updated the IJN and US cruiser lines. 

[Legendary_Engram]

OP has not lived through the horrors of Kirov and Pensacola. 

 

[TenguBlade]

The IJN CAs have long hulls and a lot of turrets which gives them the biggest citadel, but their armor is by no means the worst.  Stop broadsiding and getting within 10km of battleships and you'll be fine.

 

You want bad armor, play the Soviet or German lines.  Literally impossible not to citadel the former with BB guns, the latter gets penetrated by anything even if it's sort of hard to citadel with BB AP because the armor's so thin.

[BrushWolf]

OP has not lived through the horrors of Kirov and Pensacola. 

 

 

The Pepsi isn't actually a bad ship but it is a huge play style shock coming from the Cleveland.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

The nice thing about IJN Cruisers in this game, is despite being one of the original 2 cruiser lines, USN & IJN, the IJN ones had always been the better respected ones.  With the inclusion multiple USN Premium Cruisers (lost count) to the IJN's one (Atago), IJN Cruisers are performers.  Despite the later addition of German then later Russian Cruisers, IJN Cruisers are still performers.

 

Most amazingly so despite the RU Cruisers having some very powerful ships.  Despite the strong RU Cruiser showing, IJN ones still compete.

 

Not the USN ones.  German ones are in the middle of the road.

 

IJN Cruisers up and down the tiers, are either just decent enough or simply good.  There isn't really a bad apple in the entire line.

[TenguBlade]

There isn't really a bad apple in the entire line.

There isn't now.  Or are you forgetting how many buffs the Furutaka got to get to where she is now?

[HazeGrayUnderway]

There isn't now.  Or are you forgetting how many buffs the Furutaka got to get to where she is now?

 

I didn't mind her only 140mm turret days  I thought she was alright even before the Hull-C additions from 5.6.0.  I felt like she could beat the sh*t out of the USN Cruisers she typically encountered.

 

I mean, she was fighting the likes of Phoenix and Omaha!

[GearaDoga]

The Aoba has always been a joke, but yeah, she seems to be even more useless, as of late.

[asianpaine]

I understand that turning broadside is potentially dangerous, but I wonder why someone can citadel me when I'm angled or bow/stern turned on them???? Any tips? 

 

One of the bigger problems I see is lack of teamwork. Most BBs on teams I play on do not push forward first. These BBs usually absorb the damage. Whenever I ask for someone to lead our move toward a cap point. All the BBs refuse and most stay in the back. Several other cruisers and I try to do this, but we get ripped apart.