Grober not looking so hot......

[teamoldmill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/4w8c58/so_about_gro%C3%9Fer_kurf%C3%BCrst/

 

Not looking good for German high tier...... is this true, 25% torpedo protection? Everyone who has faced it seems to be walking away with the same impression, crappy ship. No survivability whatsoever and nothing to compensate for the lack of.

[kerensky914]

Chances of me ever getting to Tier X are so remote that I find it hard to care. ;)

[Spyde]

They needed a Ship to get people from complaining about the Montana

 

buuut...

Stats aren't final.    Supertester's have been doing a good job so lets hope they give this ship a good run.

[Zampy]

Only run into the TX once.  It was more maneuverable than I thought it would be, but damn did everyone focus it down.  It was one of the first ships sunk.  It took 15% of its HP in damage from the first salvo of the game while still pointed towards my team.

[Lert]

Supertester's have been doing a good job so lets hope they give this ship a good run.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that all we do is give feedback. It's up to WG what they do with that feedback. We don't have a direct influence.

[10T0nHammer]

Only run into the TX once.  It was more maneuverable than I thought it would be, but damn did everyone focus it down.  It was one of the first ships sunk.  It took 15% of its HP in damage from the first salvo of the game while still pointed towards my team.

 

The bad part of being a ST, the amount of aggro you have painted on your back is crazy. I've seen people go out of their way to target STs simply because they can lol

[Spyde]

 

One thing to keep in mind is that all we do is give feedback. It's up to WG what they do with that feedback. We don't have a direct influence.

 

At least its feedback that WG has a better chance of listening to on ship balance.

 

 

It took how long to get the Montana Buffed ?  after being a CBT Test Tree.  

I've been happy with the German/Russian Cruiser tree.. along with the Russian DD tree.    So at least something has been going good.    basically the post CBT release tree's have been pretty good.

 

[Edgecase]

Bummer about that hydro and rudder shift not making up for being a huge target with bad torpedo protection.

 

If true.

 

Edit: Also, what's the accepted way to spell that ship's name on a US English keyboard? The glyph is closest to a "B", but the pronunciation is closest to "ss".

[cmdr_raccoon]

Yeah i did read that info from some sites and such. Its the reason that i already set my aim to stop my grind of that line up to tier 9 at most when it comes out. Sad that I had hopes this line would be the one id get my first t10. Aside from good guns everything seems meh. (And i thought good guns on mediocre hulls are usually russian cruiser thing ) But i usually dont bother saying much on it because theres enough ppl who like to accuse wehraboo and what not if arguing abt german ships appearing subpar.

[DasBootcamp]

Chances of me ever getting to Tier X are so remote that I find it hard to care. ;)

 

But to the people who have been anticipating this line and do care, it sucks from everything I have read. It is bigger than the Montana with less HP, horrible torp protection, AA has range but no damage, turns worse than the Titanic, and has Montana AP Alpha damage.

 

My faith in the supertester/wg relationship is a bit shaky after the Krispy Kreme. How that thing made it into the game is beyond me lol.

[teamoldmill]

They needed a Ship to get people from complaining about the Montana

 

buuut...

Stats aren't final.    Supertester's have been doing a good job so lets hope they give this ship a good run.

 

I hope so, but goodness it looks bad right now. I know the size discrepancy was overblown, but it is still a huge ship with a terrible turning radius, no torpedo defenses and mediocre guns at best. If they don't give it real protection, including something to help with HE and fires, it just cannot work.

[Brofisticus]

Supertester's have been doing a good job 

 

Citation needed. 

 

Seriously, I know of two current super testers that are worth the title and I doubt their opinions are being heard. 

[teamoldmill]

 

One thing to keep in mind is that all we do is give feedback. It's up to WG what they do with that feedback. We don't have a direct influence.

 

This is the thing, I know you guys kick butt, but ya, ultimately it is WG's call, and we on this server are not a priority and we play differently than the RU folks. Keep up the good work.

[Skraeling]

 

Citation needed. 

 

Seriously, I know of two current super testers that are worth the title and I doubt their opinions are being heard. 

 

​beg your pardon?

[Raffgard]

 

The bad part of being a ST, the amount of aggro you have painted on your back is crazy. I've seen people go out of their way to target STs simply because they can lol

 

This. I don't know how many matches where I am focused fired because I am in a German BB.

[Lert]

Also, what's the accepted way to spell that ship's name on a US English keyboard?

 

The accepted rule is that if you don't have a ß readily available, you use 'ss'. Similar, if your keyboard doesn't have a ü, you type 'ue'. So the name of the ship would be spelled 'Grosser Kurfuerst' on a standard US keyboard.

[TenguBlade]

Well, there's one positive note about this. The community nickname for the 16.5" guns seems to be rather dead-set on "blaze-it rifles".

Only run into the TX once.  It was more maneuverable than I thought it would be, but damn did everyone focus it down.  It was one of the first ships sunk.  It took 15% of its HP in damage from the first salvo of the game while still pointed towards my team.

Yep.  Every ST I see gets focused to hell.  I personally avoid going out of my way to sink them: after all, they are the closest thing to a community say in balancing the game.  Bad data means bad balance.

 

Nobody else seems to care though.

[Seloth]

Bummer about that hydro and rudder shift not making up for being a huge target with bad torpedo protection.

 

If true.

 

Edit: Also, what's the accepted way to spell that ship's name on a US English keyboard? The glyph is closest to a "B", but the pronunciation is closest to "ss".

 

​hold down the alt key and type 0223 to get a ß

[cmdr_raccoon]

I'm interested in knowing what's the given rationale for giving this ship what seems to be very poor survivability. What 'balance' factor makes this acceptable?

[Kevik70]

 

The bad part of being a ST, the amount of aggro you have painted on your back is crazy. I've seen people go out of their way to target STs simply because they can lol

 

Last night I watch a top tier DD charge out to point blank range to launch torps at a Dunkerque class battleship. DD died, BB didn't at least not to the destroyer.

[Spyde]

 

This. I don't know how many matches where I am focused fired because I am in a German BB.

 

I target them to see how well they take damage.    I assume everyone else does the same.

[danredda1616]

My faith in the supertester/wg relationship is a bit shaky after the Krispy Kreme. How that thing made it into the game is beyond me lol.

Just going to answer this by casually quoting something else

 

One thing to keep in mind is that all we do is give feedback. It's up to WG what they do with that feedback. We don't have a direct influence.

 

[teamoldmill]

I'm interested in knowing what's the given rationale for giving this ship what seems to be very poor survivability. What 'balance' factor makes this acceptable?

 

This is what is throwing me. They were touted as survivability being their forte. Yet we have a T10 with the least hit points, torp protection, huge size, terrible turning circle and armor that from all reports is great at citadel protection, but has the flaw of lots of 33%. I have said a million times HE and fires don't care about armor, only how easy the ship is to hit. Field day on this sucker and a carrier's wet dream. 1000 foot sluggish monster with no torpedo protection and a deck the size of a small city....... yummy. Top it all off with herp derp guns.

[Brofisticus]

​beg your pardon?

 

Pardon denied. 

[Edgecase]

​hold down the alt key and type 0223 to get a ß

 

 

The accepted rule is that if you don't have a ß readily available, you use 'ss'. Similar, if your keyboard doesn't have a ü, you type 'ue'. So the name of the ship would be spelled 'Grosser Kurfuerst' on a standard US keyboard.

 

Thanks, that's what I thought, but figured I'd double-check.

 

I'll have to go with "ss", as alt-0223 only works when I have a full-size keyboard available (i.e., not laptop), since the 0223 needs to be typed on the numpad.