5 MagicTheGreat Members 39 posts Report post #1 Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) Any chance that WG will buff our beloved Midway? My Midway is currently covered with dust and filled with plane parts, trash......... Edited August 3, 2016 by MagicTheGreat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
797 [PSV] Personator Privateers 5,523 posts 6,129 battles Report post #2 Posted August 3, 2016 With 6 planes per squadron? Big nope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5 MagicTheGreat Members 39 posts Report post #3 Posted August 3, 2016 With 6 planes per squadron? Big nope. You must be a Hakuryu player. Lol. Seriously, everything else remains the same but 2 TB with 5 planes each is doable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
145 [KFL] darien22 Alpha Tester 1,307 posts 5,985 battles Report post #4 Posted August 3, 2016 You must be a Hakuryu player. Lol. Seriously, everything else remains the same but 2 TB with 5 planes each is doable. I have both the Midway and the Haky and I can say that I would prefer the Midway . The Midway has insane DOT potential mixed with a strong alpha damage with the DBs and the fact that you can kill anything .You have the ability to keep attacking until the game ends because you have alot of planes . I could easily get about 3-4 kills a game depending on who I aim for .The fact about is is that if you are relying on TBs to do alot then you are playing it wrong . Just chain the DOT with your TBs and DBs and you will see that insane damage . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,205 GhostSwordsman Members 6,621 posts 8,658 battles Report post #5 Posted August 3, 2016 222 fighters!?!? Could one midway even carry that many aircraft? I know the USN carriers are supposed to be the air superiority CVs, but I think that's just overkill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,131 Goodwood_Alpha Members 3,043 posts 10,248 battles Report post #6 Posted August 3, 2016 222 fighters!?!? Could one midway even carry that many aircraft? I know the USN carriers are supposed to be the air superiority CVs, but I think that's just overkill. He's referring to the squadron loadout; 2 fighters, 2 dive bombers, 2 torpedo bombers. Took me a moment to realize this as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,205 GhostSwordsman Members 6,621 posts 8,658 battles Report post #7 Posted August 3, 2016 He's referring to the squadron loadout; 2 fighters, 2 dive bombers, 2 torpedo bombers. Took me a moment to realize this as well... I know, I was being sarcastic, hence the trollface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #8 Posted August 3, 2016 USN CVs never gets 2 TB squads for a reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
379 MeetTheBadger Beta Testers 533 posts 10,674 battles Report post #9 Posted August 3, 2016 Any chance that WG will buff our beloved Midway? My Midway is currently covered with dust and filled with plane parts, trash......... If memory serves, those used to be the loadouts for the Midway. The Essex could also have 2 torpedo bomber groups, and the Lexington had a 2/1/1 loadout that basically ran all over Shokakus. The Midway with two torpedo bomber groups, though, was absolutely terrifying before all the nerfs. High-tier battleships, even USN ones, could get deleted almost negligently by Midways, and you can imagine how well that went over. USN CVs never gets 2 TB squads for a reason. Even worse were the days when USN CVs with two torpedo bomber groups could get into matches against enemy teams with no carriers. It was about as close to having an "I WIN!" button in this game as it could have been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #10 Posted August 3, 2016 USN CVs never gets 2 TB squads for a reason. But IJN gets 3! USN: 12 TBs? You can't have that, that's OP! IJN: 12 TBs? Sure that's fine! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
773 MaxMcKay ∞ Alpha Tester 1,021 posts Report post #11 Posted August 3, 2016 But IJN gets 3! USN: 12 TBs? You can't have that, that's OP! IJN: 12 TBs? Sure that's fine! Common sense sailed right by. What would make life fun for a old CV hand would be the ability to choose a real load out instead of the preset frak we are getting now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,911 [RLGN] Estimated_Prophet Members 19,400 posts 36,241 battles Report post #12 Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) The way everyone speaks so ill of T8+ CV play, I guess I'm not missing anything by having picked up Lexington and Shokaku during the discount week, but never playing them... Edited August 3, 2016 by Estimated_Prophet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4 [CONQR] GensuiHime Beta Testers 47 posts 6,346 battles Report post #13 Posted August 3, 2016 But IJN gets 3! USN: 12 TBs? You can't have that, that's OP! IJN: 12 TBs? Sure that's fine! USN gets 6x1000lb bombs per squadron that do 10080 max damage, compared to the meager 4x bombs per squadron that do 4600 max damage for IJN... I think (considering alpha damage) IJN can keep their 12TBs. (Regardless removing TBs from USN was a mistake, made them obsolete) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,887 [NSF] Big_Spud Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 5,304 posts 9,284 battles Report post #14 Posted August 3, 2016 Its always fun watching a high tier USN CV miss all of his RNG bombers on a target, and then get literally zero damage as any competent captain just avoids or shoots down all of the torpedoes. Meanwhile here comes an IJN player that smacks you with a three squadron stacked drop, and then lights you on fire four times as soon as you repair the flooding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
873 [SCCC] Peregrinas Members 3,181 posts 17,735 battles Report post #15 Posted August 3, 2016 Midway needs some love as Hakuryu>>Midway any time. Hakuryus get to delete ships with their 12 torpedo bombers. What does Midway get? Oh yeah, DoT potential but it relies a lot on RNG. Oh but Hakuryu can almost rival that DoT, if not better, with 15 dive bombers (compared to 21) which get a much tighter and accurate drop circle. And also 10 fighters better than 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #16 Posted August 3, 2016 See sig, major USN buffs are in my aircraft carrier rework. If we get some momentum behind this, WG may listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,467 [-K-] SeaRaptor WoWS Community Contributors, WoWS Community Contributors 2,798 posts 15,515 battles Report post #17 Posted August 3, 2016 All I want for Christmas is non-gimped USN stock loadouts. Why you are forced to sacrifice an entire squadron of planes to have a balanced loadout in a USN CV is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #18 Posted August 3, 2016 USN gets 6x1000lb bombs per squadron that do 10080 max damage, compared to the meager 4x bombs per squadron that do 4600 max damage for IJN... I think (considering alpha damage) IJN can keep their 12TBs. (Regardless removing TBs from USN was a mistake, made them obsolete) Have you seen the dispersion ellipse on those 1000lb bombs? USN: K gonna bomb this guy now RNGESUS BE WITH ME! *misses all 6-7* IJN: K gonna torp this guy now *Holds alt, sets cross drop* DEVASTATING STRIKE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,934 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway Members 39,260 posts 31,549 battles Report post #19 Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) But IJN gets 3! USN: 12 TBs? You can't have that, that's OP! IJN: 12 TBs? Sure that's fine! Strike Taiho or Hakuryu coming for you? If you're not a Cruiser with DF ready, that is the last thing you want to see Midway used to be very competitive but she has gotten nothing but multiple steel-toed-boot kicks to the teeth after launch. Here's iChase's old Midway Review from Sept 2015, before she got hit with Stalinium Nerf Bats. Go to 7:57 time mark to start seeing Old School Midway's Specs: Stock 2/1/2 Strike 1/2/2 Air Sup. 3/0/2 Current Midway is a travesty. Edited August 3, 2016 by HazeGrayUnderway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
242 [CRANE] Fog_Carrier_Kaga_ Alpha Tester 9,505 posts 3,688 battles Report post #20 Posted August 3, 2016 2 torpedo bomber squadrons on a midway? Excuse me I need to catch my breath from laughing. I'd honestly be OK with it if they massively nerfed the survivability of the aircraft. Not particularly fair to any class when a midway can nonchalantly attack you at will with little fear of losing a lot of aircraft even when he's flying through multiple aa bubbles from same tier ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #21 Posted August 3, 2016 But IJN gets 3! USN: 12 TBs? You can't have that, that's OP! IJN: 12 TBs? Sure that's fine! So? USN also gets dive bombers that can one shot DDs, and just do outrageous amounts of damage overall. IJN does not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17,934 [WOLF5] HazeGrayUnderway Members 39,260 posts 31,549 battles Report post #22 Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) So? USN also gets dive bombers that can one shot DDs, and just do outrageous amounts of damage overall. IJN does not. DBs are totally subject to RNG. TBs aren't. They are reliable damage, and landing even ONE Flood forces a Damage Control use. Edit: The results of the torpedo bomber focus are obvious: IJN CVs are sinking and damaging more ships than their same tiered USN counterparts at EVERY TIER, some by massive gaps in performance. Only Saipan can keep up at Tier VII. Because she's really an IJN CV with a USN skin. Edited August 3, 2016 by HazeGrayUnderway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #23 Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) DBs are totally subject to RNG. TBs aren't. They are reliable damage, and landing even ONE Flood forces a Damage Control use. It may not be subject to RNG, but it's the easiest thing ever to just turn out of the torpedoes way. They are not reliable damage at all against everything except BBs. And with the AA buffs, good luck trying to set up that nail in the coffin torp drop without losing nearly all your planes. Edited August 3, 2016 by goldeagle1123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,644 [O7] 1nv4d3rZ1m Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 12,147 posts 9,111 battles Report post #24 Posted August 3, 2016 It may not be subject to RNG, but it's the easiest thing ever to just turn out of the torpedoes way. They are not reliable damage at all against everything except BBs. And with the AA buffs, good luck trying to set up that nail in the coffin torp drop without losing early all your planes. Its kind of hard to turn out from three TB squads attacking from three different directions. As in basically impossible, even DDs are going to get hit unless the CV screws up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
839 Show_Me_Your_Cits Beta Testers 2,589 posts 8,799 battles Report post #25 Posted August 3, 2016 2 torpedo bomber squadrons on a midway? Excuse me I need to catch my breath from laughing. I'd honestly be OK with it if they massively nerfed the survivability of the aircraft. Not particularly fair to any class when a midway can nonchalantly attack you at will with little fear of losing a lot of aircraft even when he's flying through multiple aa bubbles from same tier ships You mean like Hak can do now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
