Don't like Myoko, should I abandon IJN Cruiser line?

[Carl_the_Cuttlefish]

For all the hype this ship has had, I find it to be quite a let down. Guns are meh, sure there's a lot of them, but you have to broadside to use them and range is low. It can't turn worth a darn and the traverse is awful, and torp angles are bad with wide spreads. It just feels sluggish and can't really take high risk scenarios. 

 

So, should I abandon the IJN cruiser line here? Will it be more of the same? I loved the Furu to death (guns were better at that tier and the torp angle was good), and Aoba is a solid beast with forward firing guns and great armor. I'm in love with my Atlanta and Indy as well, both being fantastic ships... Maybe other cruiser lines are calling my name or maybe I just don't get the hang of the Myoko... 

[pmgaudio]

you leave now you wont ever get to the Zao.... and that would be a shame....

 

and yes... it sounds like you don't have the hang of it yet... it is actually a deadly ship in its tier range....
more people complain about going up to the Mogami next than to the Moyoko from furry taco...

[TheBlackWind]

Probably... It's way better than Mogami. I doubt they come much better for their tier than Myoko. Tho I hear Zao is pretty good.

[Dutch_81]

Finish the ship before you get rid of her or keep her until you do, what you don't want to ever do is have to rebuy a ship you disliked in the first place.

[Aduial]

Myoko is a true representation of the whole IJN heavy cruiser line from tier 7-10. They pretty much stay the same until the Zao. Which means good fire chance, good maneuverability, good torps, but also a large citadel and mediocre AA. So if you don't like the Myoko, you probably won't like the Mogami or the Ibuki. 

That being said, you should give the ship a chance first. I found the Myoko very enjoyable. 

Also, remember that you can easily citadel all tier 7 cruisers easily with your AP. It's not rare for me to get consistent 10k salvos against an Atlanta or a Pensacola. 

[ZombieFlanders]

 

i just finished the myoko myself and moved on. i still need the top hull for mogami but i find i actually like it more. it feels more comfortable and has a bit more armor (wont help against BBs though). i use the 203s with it...more of the same, but they are pretty effective even though they are unchanged from T5. 

 

i wanted to like the myoko but i just never clicked with it...i always wanted to get one more turret in line then boom nuked, and i had to really sell out or luck out for success with torpedoes. 

 

 

 

[Amogussy]

Just spam HE at everything you see and you should see the fire damage rack up. And I also HATED the Myoko when I first got it (highest tier ship at the time for me) but once I got the hang of it and I figured out how to ambush enemy BBs with torps then I started to enjoy it. Don't sell the ship and grind through it to the Mogami, you absolutely HAVE to get to the Zao because it is (arguably™) the best T10 in the game.

[Aduial]

Just spam HE at everything you see and you should see the fire damage rack up. And I also HATED the Myoko when I first got it (highest tier ship at the time for me) but once I got the hang of it and I figured out how to ambush enemy BBs with torps then I started to enjoy it. Don't sell the ship and grind through it to the Mogami, you absolutely HAVE to get to the Zao because it is (arguably™) the best T10 in the game.

 

I disagree with this. Do NOT spam HE at everything. At those tiers, the guns have enough penetration to easily citadel equal tier cruisers, and sometimes do decent damage to BBs. My opinion is, use AP on cruisers from medium-low range, and also on battleships at close ranges. Other than that, yeah, set everything on fire. 

Also remember for future reference if you continue down this line, the IJN cruisers shift playstyles starting with the Mogami, because their AP is no longer effective. If from tiers 5-7 you could go around reking cruisers with your AP, from tiers 8-10 you can no longer do that, because a lot of cruisers at those tiers have better pen and HP. So starting from Mogami, it's pretty much HE all the time. 

[Stratego89]

IMO myoko is the best of the line.

 

Before you quit it though, I'm going to take a wild guess as to how you're playing her and suggest you try something just in case.

 

Stop using HE and spam that AP. Her AP is never even mentioned by people but it's insanely effective.

[Amogussy]

 

I disagree with this. Do NOT spam HE at everything. At those tiers, the guns have enough penetration to easily citadel equal tier cruisers, and sometimes do decent damage to BBs. My opinion is, use AP on cruisers from medium-low range, and also on battleships at close ranges. Other than that, yeah, set everything on fire. 

Also remember for future reference if you continue down this line, the IJN cruisers shift playstyles starting with the Mogami, because their AP is no longer effective. If from tiers 5-7 you could go around reking cruisers with your AP, from tiers 8-10 you can no longer do that, because a lot of cruisers at those tiers have better pen and HP. So starting from Mogami, it's pretty much HE all the time. 

 

Idk if it was just me, but as you said the play style changes at Mogami. But for me it changed at the Myoko, idk if it was me being an utter potato or RNG hated me when I was playing it

[Aduial]

 

Idk if it was just me, but as you said the play style changes at Mogami. But for me it changed at the Myoko, idk if it was me being an utter potato or RNG hated me when I was playing it

 

Well IDK, but this is how it went for me. With the Myoko, i could actually pen cruisers and sometimes battleships, so i used AP a lot. But with the Mogami, my shells no longer pen very well except on New Orleans. So i use HE. 

[Carl_the_Cuttlefish]

Good maneuverability? Isn't pretty much every other line better there? I'm not going to sell the Myoko, I'm just debating stopping there and forgetting the rest. Sure I don't get the Zao, but I might pick up a Dimitry Dontonsky instead. I'd just swap the IJN focus and pick up the German focus. 

 

For some reason, the Indy seems a much more natural ship to me, with the better guns and maneuverability making up for the lack of armor. 

 

I feel the same way as Zombie, use all the guns or the torps and you get broadsided, don't use them and you feel handicapped. 

[Carl_the_Cuttlefish]

IMO myoko is the best of the line.

 

Before you quit it though, I'm going to take a wild guess as to how you're playing her and suggest you try something just in case.

 

Stop using HE and spam that AP. Her AP is never even mentioned by people but it's insanely effective.

I generally default to AP. But the US 203's are better and even the Atlanta AP can tear up with a broadsided enemy. I don't find the AP to be the joy it was at tier V and VI.

 

Idk if it was just me, but as you said the play style changes at Mogami. But for me it changed at the Myoko, idk if it was me being an utter potato or RNG hated me when I was playing it

And at tier VIII and IX the AP/armor ratio is just going to get worse. 

[Kuckoo]

Good maneuverability? Isn't pretty much every other line better there?

 

No.  The Shchors doesn't even have a rudder, apparently...

[TenguBlade]

The AP is fine.  It's just a little more situational against other cruisers than before.

If you hate Myoko's traverse, Mogami will drive you insane until you either get the 203s or MBM2.  Ibuki fixes that, and Zao doesn't have that issue.  The entire IJN cruiser line starting with Myoko is long, turns only okay, and has offensively unusable torpedo arcs: always be on the lookout for ships aiming at you, because if you attempt dodge on reaction, you will not be able to avoid hits.  Dodging on reaction with this line and the Russian CAs is just praying that RNGesus won't shaft you.  Only tip I can give besides being pre-emptive and having situational awareness is to use your throttle when dodging too.  The acceleration isn't terribly great though, so be careful about how many notches you slam it down.

[Umikami]

Compared to the Myoko, the Mogami is a letdown; and Ibuki is the same. Zao is nice, but there are a LOT of credits and XP in between. Make the call.

[Jakajan]

Wow, honestly, I liked Myoko, can't stand Mogami, is the Ibuki a step in the right direction at least?

[Aduial]

Wow, honestly, I liked Myoko, can't stand Mogami, is the Ibuki a step in the right direction at least?

 

Ibuki is basically a Mogami with better torps and AA, plus a repair party because it's a tier 9. It also gets access to the module that increases the gun fire range, which does help. In theory, it shouldn't be much better than the Mogami, but for me it's working quite a bit better.

My average damage in Mogami is around 40k, while in the Ibuki I can manage about 55k. IDK if that's because of the ship or because I've gotten better.

[_Rumple_]

Not sure what the hate is about on the Ibuki; it's my favorite cruiser so far(have T9 Roon and T8 Chapayev). It needs to be used at range and you need to be very aware of enemy BB's but if you're good at angling, and dodging, it's an amazing firestarter ship and for me at least, I don't fear a Zao in this ship. I feel I can give as good as I take. 58 games in the Ibuki, with 59k avg dmg.

[Aduial]

Not sure what the hate is about on the Ibuki; it's my favorite cruiser so far(have T9 Roon and T8 Chapayev). It needs to be used at range and you need to be very aware of enemy BB's but if you're good at angling, and dodging, it's an amazing firestarter ship and for me at least, I don't fear a Zao in this ship. I feel I can give as good as I take.

 

​My problem with this ship is that it basically is a Mogami but at a higher tier. The only things that makes it useable are the high tier modules and the repair party.

 

Also you should be afraid of the Zao in an Ibuki, unless the other guy's an idiot. The Zao has something like 25% more DPM than you, better fire chances, better armour, and also better AP penetration.

 

[YamatoA150]

Go ahead and stop at the T8 pretending to be a T7.  It's still a T8 despite nerfs to its range and tier placement.  Unlike the actual T8, which is crap.

 

Now when you get to T8's Mogami, get used to it with the 203s.  The 155s are generally considered subpar (not yet crap, as they can still be used with a lot more effort than necessary).

 

Then when you get to T9's Ibuki, remember Mogami with the 203s?  That's Ibuki's playstyle but superior to 203 Mogami in every aspect.

 

Then if you survived long enough to make it to T10's Zao...  Burn the world.  Burn everything.  AP optional but suggested vs cruisers at least.

[1Sherman]

 I'm in love with my Atlanta and Indy as well, both being fantastic ships

 

There's your answer; abandon the IJN line for the USN cruiser line. I love my Pensacola to bits.

[Guest]

 

There's your answer; abandon the IJN line for the USN cruiser line. I love my Pensacola to bits.

 

Just take some time with the Baltimore, since she isn't a bad ship, she can be more difficult to play well in compared to its counterparts at tier 9. 

[_Rumple_]

 

​My problem with this ship is that it basically is a Mogami but at a higher tier. The only things that makes it useable are the high tier modules and the repair party.

 

Also you should be afraid of the Zao in an Ibuki, unless the other guy's an idiot. The Zao has something like 25% more DPM than you, better fire chances, better armour, and also better AP penetration.

 

Torped the last 2 I met, at pretty close quarters too. One game, the Zao missed me and I didn't miss him. Another game, sank a Zao with torps but he got me also. Only other time I see a Zao is from a distance usually, then it's just a case of shot accuracy.

[Carl_the_Cuttlefish]

Unless I have a change of heart, it sounds like I'm best off truncating the line here.

 

I didn't want to do the US line either because the New Orleans and especially the baltimore seemed underwhelming on CT, though the DM looks mega fun, more fun than the Zao IMO even if it is a more difficult to play ship. So I satisfied myself with the Indy that captures the best of the US CA line in one ship.