Mogami and Takao (Atago)

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

Why is Atago (a Takao class) the premium and not Mogami? Mogami was an "upgrade" of the Takao-class that attempted to improve it's features but ended up trying to do too much with too little. It was weak (the seams would break when firing) and not very seaworthy when it was put to trials. Takao, on the other hand, is often considered the best CA that Imperial Japan built. Although it had some problems (the fact it was top-heavy being a noteworthy one), it was had pretty well balanced in combat characteristics Mogami -> Flawed improvement (plus the loadout with the 155s would make it an interesting niche ship as a premium). Takao -> Good ole' original that was the baseline for many of the IJN's later designs, with many aspects retained (Mogami and Tone both inherited many of Takao's design features, albeit Tone was designed for a different role, and Ibuki was going to be an improvement of the Mogami, which was designed off the Takao.) So why, with all this in mind, is Takao the premium and Mogami the main line ship?

 

EDIT: I am stupid. Mogami does not lose a turret. 

[Goose21891]

Uh, the Mogamis never lost a turret when they went to the 203s.

 

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

Uh, the Mogamis never lost a turret when they went to the 203s.

 

 

Yep, I am stupid. I'm not sure why I thought that, but it's fixed.

[TTK_Aegis]

Why is Atago (a Takao class) the premium and not Mogami? Mogami was an "upgrade" of the Takao-class that attempted to improve it's features but ended up trying to do too much with too little. It was weak (the seams would break when firing) and not very seaworthy when it was put to trials. Takao, on the other hand, is often considered the best CA that Imperial Japan built. Although it had some problems (the fact it was top-heavy being a noteworthy one), it was had pretty well balanced in combat characteristics Mogami -> Flawed improvement (plus the loadout with the 155s would make it an interesting niche ship as a premium). Takao -> Good ole' original that was the baseline for many of the IJN's later designs, with many aspects retained (Mogami and Tone both inherited many of Takao's design features, albeit Tone was designed for a different role, and Ibuki was going to be an improvement of the Mogami, which was designed off the Takao.) So why, with all this in mind, is Takao the premium and Mogami the main line ship?

 

EDIT: I am stupid. Mogami does not lose a turret. 

 

And suddenly the character design for KanColle Atago and Takao makes complete sense.

[Goose21891]

The popular story about why Atago is a premium is that Kitakami was going to be the Tier 8 Premium going into release, but it bombed so horribly in CBT they dusted off the Takao model from Alpha and made it premium so the IJN would have a premium at launch. Whether or not it's true, I have no idea. Besides, at one point Myoko was the Tier 8 and Mogami was at Tier 7.

[Fog_Battleship_Tosa]

often considered the best CA that Imperial Japan built.

 

Seems like a solid answer to me

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

 

Seems like a solid answer to me

 

The premium ship should not be better than the main line ship. More interesting maybe, but not better. I think the Mogami with 155s is more interesting and not quite as good. And I think many would agree that Atago is superior to Mogami in game.

[Czevak]

 

The premium ship should not be better than the main line ship. More interesting maybe, but not better. I think the Mogami with 155s is more interesting and not quite as good. And I think many would agree that Atago is superior to Mogami in game.

 

Actually, in many cases the premium version should be better than the tech-tree counterpart or the Tier counterpart. The reason why? if premium = better = more incentive to buy.

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

 

Actually, in many cases the premium version should be better than the tech-tree counterpart or the Tier counterpart. The reason why? if premium = better = more incentive to buy.

 

I disagree. From a business perspective it makes sense, but makes the game P2W. WoT has managed to do a good job by making prems interesting but not better than their main line counterparts (Jagdtiger 88 being a heavily armored DPM cannon, but somewhat underwhelming compared to Jagdpanther II and Ferdinand). I think making ships interesting is another way to drive sales, and Mogami being a niche role as a fire-spitting low damage support ship kinda like a bigger, sturdier Atlanta with it's 155s would be pretty interesting.

[Sinboto]

 

And suddenly the character design for KanColle Atago and Takao makes complete sense.

 

Big fuel tanks too, torps pushed upwards as well.

 

I'll stop. 

[Czevak]

 

I disagree. From a business perspective it makes sense, but makes the game P2W. WoT has managed to do a good job by making prems interesting but not better than their main line counterparts (Jagdtiger 88 being a heavily armored DPM cannon, but somewhat underwhelming compared to Jagdpanther II and Ferdinand). I think making ships interesting is another way to drive sales, and Mogami being a niche role as a fire-spitting low damage support ship kinda like a bigger, sturdier Atlanta with it's 155s would be pretty interesting.

 

Sorry to say, but it's already been P2W.

 

The game is F2P because of this, WG needs to make expensive products e.g. Atago.. Warchests etc.. to pay for the servers and developers.. etc.

Atago literally makes you bank, Blyskawica is also nice but 1 game in Atago = 2 great games in Blyskawica (money-earning wise).

 

If people every want to get Atago and they also pay for premium account every month, you can just add 3500 doubloons to your account every month = 2500 for 30 day premium and 1000 to go towards Atago.

[My_Other_Car_Is_A_Tank]

 

Sorry to say, but it's already been P2W.

 

The game is F2P because of this, WG needs to make expensive products e.g. Atago.. Warchests etc.. to pay for the servers and developers.. etc.

Atago literally makes you bank, Blyskawica is also nice but 1 game in Atago = 2 great games in Blyskawica (money-earning wise).

 

If people every want to get Atago and they also pay for premium account every month, you can just add 3500 doubloons to your account every month = 2500 for 30 day premium and 1000 to go towards Atago.

 

I think that Atlanta was a good design choice, but suppose your right. However, I don't think that continuing the trend would make things better.

[Czevak]

 

I think that Atlanta was a good design choice, but suppose your right. However, I don't think that continuing the trend would make things better.

 

Some things must be done, whether we like them or not.

 

Atlanta is broken imo.

[ZombieFlanders]

WoWS breaks the WoT premium mold in some cases. they are unique and in some cases are better than tech tree counterparts (unlike WoT). murmansk is obvious, and there are others..nikolai and the pan asian DDs come to mind...

 

as for why mogami isnt a prem, my guess is that there will be two lines eventually and the mogami with 155s would fit nicely at T8 in the tree along the 203 version. the atago gets its prem status now since it is unique with its torpedo launcher setup. 

[FinalRealm]

The Atago in the game is accurate to the final layout of the Atago irl. Due to this it is considered very well rounded and versatile. Mogami on the other hand is based off the the Mogami irl before it was refitted into an aircraft cruiser. Before the refit the Mogami was plagued by problems like wielding defects, top heaviness, and untested equipment. Due to this the Atago was widely considered the last masterpiece of imperial Japanese cruisers. My theory is that the Atago was not put in as the tier 8 bc its history and specs were too perfect for the line and they wanted a ship with flaws so players aren't bored or over powered at that tier. 

[Super_Dreadnought]

The Atago in the game is accurate to the final layout of the Atago irl. 

 

The current Atago is actually a renamed alpha test Takao fyi.

[SkyRail]

The Atago in the game is accurate to the final layout of the Atago irl.

 

Other than not having the mighty type 93 long lance torpedos the real Atago had after 1942

I really do hope IJN gets type 93 starting from tier 8 which does 20967 max damage compare to 17233 max damage of the type 90

It is so pathatic that IJN type 93 long lance is the most powerful torp in WW2 yet so few ships in game able to mount them

[crzyhawk]

The popular story about why Atago is a premium is that Kitakami was going to be the Tier 8 Premium going into release, but it bombed so horribly in CBT they dusted off the Takao model from Alpha and made it premium so the IJN would have a premium at launch. Whether or not it's true, I have no idea. Besides, at one point Myoko was the Tier 8 and Mogami was at Tier 7.

 

What can be confirmed here is true.  Myoko was originally a T8, with Mogami as a T7.  Takao was an Alpha ship that had been removed.  Kitakami in CBT was a T8 premium, and was much hated, for both torp wall spam and for team killing with it's insane long range torps.  Towards the end of CBT, in fact the patch that rolled out OBT, then unleashed Atago and removed Kitakami using the old Takao model. As to WHY?  That's never been confirmed, but having an IJN premie available makes sense.  Back then, the victory bundle was removed from sale, so you had Murmansk, Atlanta and Atago for sale as premiums. 

 

Warspite was sold very, very briefly, in fact I bought mine thinking it would be removed when true OBT started...and it's been in my port ever since.  Going to OBT, which in my mind was just a soft release, without an IJN premium would have been a bad idea so Atago makes a ton of sense.

[Spenzor]

Also note that the Atago is not the lead ship of the class. When WG gets around to filling out the tech tree branches in a few years (as they have done with World of Tanks), it's not  impossible that they might add a non-premium Takao at T8. Dunno how likely that is, but who knows? It could happen.

[Lance53]

 Kitakami in CBT was a T8 premium, and was much hated, for both torp wall spam and for team killing with it's insane long range torps.  Towards the end of CBT, in fact the patch that rolled out OBT, then unleashed Atago and removed Kitakami using the old Takao model. As to WHY?  That's never been confirmed, but having an IJN premie available makes sense.  Back then, the victory bundle was removed from sale, so you had Murmansk, Atlanta and Atago for sale as premiums. 

 

Warspite was sold very, very briefly, in fact I bought mine thinking it would be removed when true OBT started...and it's been in my port ever since.  Going to OBT, which in my mind was just a soft release, without an IJN premium would have been a bad idea so Atago makes a ton of sense.

 

 

So that is why the Kitami was dropped?   It just filled the game with way too many torpedoes??

 

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[crzyhawk]

I believe the official reason is it killed more teammates than it did enemies.