Anyone still think Murmansk isn't OP?

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Just making sure, especially considering how good she is than even her other Omaha-class sisters.

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/12984

Rewards + Stat Screens

 

Only gets me my 4th Kraken ever.

[Czevak]

Just making sure, especially considering how good she is than even her other Omaha-class sisters.

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/12984

Rewards + Stat Screens

 

Only gets me my 4th Kraken ever.

 

Nice game!

 

I got 3 Krakens today in my Atago, but I realized that you only get Kraken reward every 24 hours.. that is so darn annoying. I hope WG will change that.

[HKRevolutionOfOurTime]

Only 82K damage? Scrub. 

 

[centarina]

its a stronk ship.  i seem to do consistently  pretty well with high wr. about the only cruiser that i like to play.    

[Xero_Snake]

Excuse me, what is it? Molotov already has effectively usurped Murmansk, sorry. I can't read you.  

 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

its a stronk ship.  i seem to do consistently  pretty well with high wr. about the only cruiser that i like to play.    

 

It's just out of hand, man.

 

Murmanks is simply an Omaha-class ship lent to the Soviets during WWII, yet the ship stats are above and beyond the Omaha-class.  Dude, it has 8km torps at Tier 5 while its sisters don't!  I mean, the Krispy Kreme is doing way better than the Omaha-class.  The Krispy Kreme, of all things, and that ship has been widely panned.

Excuse me, what is it? Molotov already has effectively usurped Murmansk, sorry. I can't read you.  

 

Murmanks and Molotov are in Tier V and VI respectively.  Which is fine for both of them to be OP.  One taps from the front, the other taps from the back.

/hi5

 

[thehelmsman]

Still the best cruiser in the tier, and arguably the best all-around tier 5 ship, full stop. Why? Because RASHA!

Move along, folks, nothing to see here.... seriously, though, I have no idea why they have to release premium ships that are just straight up better than their tech tree counterparts. Murmansk, Gremyashchy, Texas, Indianapolis, looking at you.

--Helms

[Crucis]

Actually, HazeGrey, the Marblehead also has 8 km torpedoes.  They just happen to be a good deal slower than the Murmansk's 8 km torpedoes. 

 

Also, I don't think that the comparison between the Murmansk (or Marblehead) vs the Omaha is a good one.  Why?  Because I strongly suspect that the vast majority of the Omaha's players are relative noobs who are only grinding through the ship, while players or the Murmansk and Marblehead are much more likely to be veteran players who understand how to play them and get the most out of them.  After all, there's not that much difference between an Omaha and a Marblehead.  So what else would describe the different server stats? 

 

OTOH, as to the question of whether the Murmansk is OP, first, I think that the fact that its players are experienced ones compared to non-premium tier 5 cruiser players still holes true here.  That said, I do think that the Murmansk's greater gun range and better (faster) torpedoes (compared to the Marblehead) does seem a bit OP and unfair.  But since they're stuck and probably very unwilling to nerf the Murmansk's gun range, about the only thing they could do, I suppose, would be to buff the Marblehead's gun range to something similar to the Murmansk's gun range.

 

 

[AVR_Project]

Just bought a Krasney Krym.  Also have the Murmansk.

I see it on the above chart as the LOWEST in the #games played in two weeks.

After only two missions, I think the Krym is better.  It even survived the tier 7 battle after being focused twice.

It's got more guns and at a good flat trajectory range.  I'm thinking I could take out an Atlanta with this.  This thing chases DDs away like nothing else (except an Atlanta).

 

[TenguBlade]

The Omaha is a poster child for why you don't do "X" thing because T5 is when you start being unable to get away with things like rushing a BB, sailing in a straight line, and broadsiding.  She gets lolpenned by the Furutaka for crying out loud; granted, so do Murmansk and Marblehead, but at least most players of both ships aren't stupid enough to find that out the hard way.

[Herr_Reitz]

Just making sure, especially considering how good she is than even her other Omaha-class sisters.

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/12984

Rewards + Stat Screens

 

Only gets me my 4th Kraken ever.

 

Not to take away from the Murmansk, she's fine... but it is the use of any specific ship by the player and the red team composition that leads to a Kraken. Congrats on your fourth. 

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Actually, HazeGrey, the Marblehead also has 8 km torpedoes.  They just happen to be a good deal slower than the Murmansk's 8 km torpedoes. 

 

Also, I don't think that the comparison between the Murmansk (or Marblehead) vs the Omaha is a good one.  Why?  Because I strongly suspect that the vast majority of the Omaha's players are relative noobs who are only grinding through the ship, while players or the Murmansk and Marblehead are much more likely to be veteran players who understand how to play them and get the most out of them.  After all, there's not that much difference between an Omaha and a Marblehead.  So what else would describe the different server stats? 

 

OTOH, as to the question of whether the Murmansk is OP, first, I think that the fact that its players are experienced ones compared to non-premium tier 5 cruiser players still holes true here.  That said, I do think that the Murmansk's greater gun range and better (faster) torpedoes (compared to the Marblehead) does seem a bit OP and unfair.  But since they're stuck and probably very unwilling to nerf the Murmansk's gun range, about the only thing they could do, I suppose, would be to buff the Marblehead's gun range to something similar to the Murmansk's gun range.

 

 

 

It's not just the torps though.

 

Also, there's no stopping a newbie from picking up a Premium Ship and doing awful with it:

 

Remember when Tirpitz first came out?  Tirp-ocalypse?  When the high tier queues were literally filled with Tier VIII Tirpitz?  Most of those guys were inexperienced high tier players, much less spent time in any high tier BB before, nor even played a BB before.  Seeing guys do very basic, low tier BB mistakes on a Tier VIII BB.

 

Another example is myself.  When I was very new to the game, I bought 2 ships right away from the Premium Shop:  Tier VII Atlanta, Tier VIII Atago.  I was so excited!  I got so rekt! 

 

I bought those ships when I haven't even gotten past Tier V in anything.  My best at the time was Tier V Omaha, which I thought was totally awesome.  Atlanta has all those guns and a high ROF?  Hell yeah I'm gonna rock with it!

*GOT REKT*

[Soylent_Red_Is_Tomato]

As a below average player, I'm not sure to be honest.

Perhaps it has to do with the captains that can be dropped into the premiums (my Kiev capt for Murmansk, Cleve capt for Marblehead) versus those likely to be found on an Omaha folks are grinding through?

Murmansk until just recently held my highest damage game played, and Marblehead has my third highest win rate, yet Omaha is still my highest base XP game despite not being owned since back in December.

 

Admittedly though I may not have played Marblehead enough for a ''true'' performance, but then again it is an Omaha.

 

Marblehead (only owned post-AFT changes)
Battles  18;  Victories  10 (56%);  Battles survived  8
Average Score per Battle
Experience  749.72;  Damage caused  19,281.67
Warships destroyed  0.61;  Aircraft destroyed  0.17
Main battery hit ratio  22%;  Torpedo hit ratio  5%
Highest Score
Experience  1,519;  Damage caused  44,806;   Warships destroyed  2;  Aircraft destroyed  1

 

Murmansk
Battles  101;  Victories  49 (49%);  Battles survived  28
Average Score per Battle
Experience  737.63;  Damage caused  23,295.58
Warships destroyed  0.8;  Aircraft destroyed  0.86
Main battery hit ratio  22%;  Torpedo hit ratio  6%
Highest Score
Experience  1.717;  Damage caused  108,801;   Warships destroyed  6;  Aircraft destroyed  16

 

Omaha
Battles  71;  Victories  30 (42%);  Battles survived  14
Average Score per Battle
Experience  638.08;  Damage caused  12,276.73
Warships destroyed  0.38;  Aircraft destroyed  0.55
Main battery hit ratio  19%;  Torpedo hit ratio  3%
Highest Score
Experience  2,507;  Damage caused  71,320;   Warships destroyed  4;  Aircraft destroyed  5

 

[Exciton8964]

If you think Omaha is balanced, then you can surely argue that Murmansk is OP.

It is simply a straight-up better ship than Omaha w/o any trade off.

 

Same HP and armor. Same HE. Better AP. Better torp. Better turn. Better concealment.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

As a below average player, I'm not sure to be honest.

Perhaps it has to do with the captains that can be dropped into the premiums (my Kiev capt for Murmansk, Cleve capt for Marblehead) versus those likely to be found on an Omaha folks are grinding through?

Murmansk until just recently held my highest damage game played, and Marblehead has my third highest win rate, yet Omaha is still my highest base XP game despite not being owned since back in December.

 

Admittedly though I may not have played Marblehead enough for a ''true'' performance, but then again it is an Omaha.

 

Marblehead (only owned post-AFT changes)
Battles  18;  Victories  10 (56%);  Battles survived  8
Average Score per Battle
Experience  749.72;  Damage caused  19,281.67
Warships destroyed  0.61;  Aircraft destroyed  0.17
Main battery hit ratio  22%;  Torpedo hit ratio  5%
Highest Score
Experience  1,519;  Damage caused  44,806;   Warships destroyed  2;  Aircraft destroyed  1

 

Murmansk
Battles  101;  Victories  49 (49%);  Battles survived  28
Average Score per Battle
Experience  737.63;  Damage caused  23,295.58
Warships destroyed  0.8;  Aircraft destroyed  0.86
Main battery hit ratio  22%;  Torpedo hit ratio  6%
Highest Score
Experience  1.717;  Damage caused  108,801;   Warships destroyed  6;  Aircraft destroyed  16

 

Omaha
Battles  71;  Victories  30 (42%);  Battles survived  14
Average Score per Battle
Experience  638.08;  Damage caused  12,276.73
Warships destroyed  0.38;  Aircraft destroyed  0.55
Main battery hit ratio  19%;  Torpedo hit ratio  3%
Highest Score
Experience  2,507;  Damage caused  71,320;   Warships destroyed  4;  Aircraft destroyed  5

 

 

For most CLs, especially those mid tier ones, the impact of a high point captain isn't really that appreciable for the simple fact that many of the game's most important traits don't work for them.  Most especially after the AFT+BFT Nerf a while back where it used to benefit up to 155mm guns, now it's 130mm or lower.

 

For the Omaha-class ships, what are you going to really use to make your ships shine?

 

The impact a high point captain to a mid tier CL is nowhere near the impact said captain would be on a similar tiered DD, CV, or even BB.

 

Also, Murmansk is straight up the best of the Omaha-class ships in the game.  This reddit review that encompasses Omaha, Murmansk, and Marblehead goes into the differences.  I also point again to this image:

 

Murmansk is stupidly strong compared to her sisters for no other reason than Russian Bias.  It was an Omaha-class ship using the same equipment as her sisters, though with some configuration changes.  Yet as you can see in the image, her AP is ridiculous compared to Omaha and her torpedoes have magically extended ranges despite them being the same damn torpedoes.

[Gavroche_]

She's not "OP", the correct term is Russian.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

Oh, she also shoots faster than Tier V Krispy Kreme and her 130mm guns.  Not only that, Murmansk also has Stalinium AP Rounds 

 

[Jakajan]

Oh, she also shoots faster than Tier V Krispy Kreme and her 130mm guns.  Not only that, Murmansk also has Stalinium AP Rounds 

 

Yeah, but she can't do a power slide like Krispy Kreme can and fire off all 15 guns in a matter of two seconds can she?

[crzyhawk]

 

It's not just the torps though.

 

Also, there's no stopping a newbie from picking up a Premium Ship and doing awful with it:

 

Remember when Tirpitz first came out?  Tirp-ocalypse?  When the high tier queues were literally filled with Tier VIII Tirpitz?  Most of those guys were inexperienced high tier players, much less spent time in any high tier BB before, nor even played a BB before.  Seeing guys do very basic, low tier BB mistakes on a Tier VIII BB.

 

Another example is myself.  When I was very new to the game, I bought 2 ships right away from the Premium Shop:  Tier VII Atlanta, Tier VIII Atago.  I was so excited!  I got so rekt! 

 

I bought those ships when I haven't even gotten past Tier V in anything.  My best at the time was Tier V Omaha, which I thought was totally awesome.  Atlanta has all those guns and a high ROF?  Hell yeah I'm gonna rock with it!

*GOT REKT*

 

You forgot to mention the tighter turning and faster rudder shift of Murmansk over Omaha.

[ForgMaxtor]

In the present state of the game, I'm not sure it's so much that the Murmansk is OP as that the Tech Tree Omaha is now UP.

 

I play the Murmansk a fair bit as she's currently my only RU Premium, but comparing her to the other T5 cruisers, I do about as well, arguably slightly better, in the Kirov and Konigsburg.  So for me at least, the Murmansk does not dominate the T5 group.  Different playstyle, to be sure, but not necessarily superior.

 

I suck at the Furutaka but this is probably at least partially due to user error -- going back a few patches she was definitely a dog, but since the addition of the C hull with 3 x 2 main battery, I know a lot of players are singing her praises.  I just can't seem to figure out her playstyle.

 

But Omaha, yeah; she's just an inferior Murmansk.  Only thing she does better than the Murmansk is AA, and the difference there is small.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

Have had an 18 point Captain in the Murmansk for some time now and its the best ship of this class in game, and arguably the best tier V Cruiser, its my favorite ship to play

Fast loading guns with a very fast rudder shift for dodging shells , it does suffer from a glass hull Thats ok at V but when your in against tier Vl-Vll Cruisers and BBs it must be played differently ..smarter...even with the extra 400 Captain health skill

 

Nice Game!