Saipan's Credit income is seriously low

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

Yes it is truly low. I even regular CV earns more Credit than Saipan.

 

Let me show some comparison:

*all comparisons are with non premium account

 

 

 

I remember the first time when Saipan came out that people already complained about this and one of the Dev checked about this issue and said the values are correct.

Well

The values may be as intended but it doesn't mean that it isn't low.

What I guess is that Saipan has low income due to low overall class credit/XP factor of CV. Otherwise I cannot explain why it is this low.

 

I really need to request WG to buff Saipan's Credit Income. It is a premium ship and it should be capable of making credits. Maybe not as much as Atago or any other t8 since Saipan is t7 but having same income as t4, t5 regular CV is a bit too low.

 

Edit: because so many of you misunderstand:

a) I know that killing DDs bring more reward than BB.

b) I'm talking about NET income not GROSS. Don't tell me about repair fees.

[QJW]

I think it's values are so low because of how powerful it is as a ship. I agree, it is incredibly low for a teir 7 premium ship at that, I probably could make more in a normal teir 7 on a regular basis. However, as much as I would like to not make it seem this way, it might be built in such a way to discourage play of it because the Devs feel as if they made a mistake in the way they placed it into the game with teir 9 aircraft and all at teir 7. I still think the ship needs a full rework and offer a refund to players if they must. It was an expensive ship after all, am I right? So it should be making more than it already is.

[VTAdmiral]

It has tier 9 planes

 

And thus, tier 9 plane resupply costs

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

It has tier 9 planes

 

And thus, tier 9 plane resupply costs

 

You see there spent? it's only 22k

 

btw. planes costs even on Taiho not much

 

In case you want detailed info:

 

 

[VTAdmiral]

 

You see there spent? it's only 22k

 

btw. planes costs even on Taiho not much

 

In case you want detailed info:

 

 

 

fair enough, it was the only thing that made sense to me.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

I think it's values are so low because of how powerful it is as a ship. I agree, it is incredibly low for a teir 7 premium ship at that, I probably could make more in a normal teir 7 on a regular basis. However, as much as I would like to not make it seem this way, it might be built in such a way to discourage play of it because the Devs feel as if they made a mistake in the way they placed it into the game with teir 9 aircraft and all at teir 7. I still think the ship needs a full rework and offer a refund to players if they must. It was an expensive ship after all, am I right? So it should be making more than it already is.

 

Atago and Tirpitz are also powerful ships even stronger than regular line at some point. Still they earn credits like crazy. I know that CVs damage ≠ Other classes Damage. They have different class creidt/xp multiplier. But having almost as much credit as t4 and t5 CV is just too low in my opinion

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

 

fair enough, it was the only thing that made sense to me.

 

Even IF repair costs would have been high, it doesn't change the issue that basic credit income is low.

[goldeagle1123]

Those seem like average amounts of credits for a tier 7 premium while not using a premium account.

[QJW]

 

Atago and Tirpitz are also powerful ships even stronger than regular line at some point. Still they earn credits like crazy. I know that CVs damage ≠ Other classes Damage. They have different class creidt/xp multiplier. But having almost as much credit as t4 and t5 CV is just too low in my opinion

 

Those are also teir 8 ships and I believe they make about 50% more than your average teir 7 premium ship. Those ships however powerful they are, perform admirably within' their own teir and so are more on par with their counterparts. The Saipan on the other hand, is completely out performing the other teir 7 carriers and is dominating the game at that teir. Due to how powerful it is and the potential it has, they dropped its credit making ability to compensate for its power. However I am making assumptions.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

Those seem like average amounts of credits for a tier 7 premium while not using a premium account.

 

If it's average credit for other t7 premiums than I think whole tier 7 premiums have too low credit income.

The main reason most of people buy premium ships/tank whatever is to earn credit.

However if other regular t4, t5 earns as much as tier 7 premium that is a problem I think.

[Tedster_]

can we see the screens of what you damaged?  not all damage is equal for credits/xp.  if all you're doing is farming BB's, you aren't going to get as much credits/xp as from killing the DD's.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

can we see the screens of what you damaged?  not all damage is equal for credits/xp.  if all you're doing is farming BB's, you aren't going to get as much credits/xp as from killing the DD's.

 

 

Yes I'm aware of that fact that reward is proportional to target's maximum HP and that BB doesn't give as much reward as DD with same amount of damage dealt to them.

But you can see at the comparison screenshots that Bogue as also damaged mainly BBs that why I put it on comparison

[goldeagle1123]

 

If it's average credit for other t7 premiums than I think whole tier 7 premiums have too low credit income.

The main reason most of people buy premium ships/tank whatever is to earn credit.

However if other regular t4, t5 earns as much as tier 7 premium that is a problem I think.

 

Depends on performance. I'd have to actually see statistical evidence supporting that claim before I agreed that there was such a gross discrepancy in credit income between tiers. Not just a couple screenshots.

[Captain_Dorja]

My suspicion is that WG made her credit income low because they didn't want to listen to the storm of shouting about how OP the ship is, combined with how that OP-ness makes her too good at making credits, and all the other bits about carriers being unfair (why should he make credits and take no risks blah blah blah). Most prem ships have a credit multiplier. I legit think Saipan has a credit divisor. The best part is, the Saipan isn't even OP. 

 

FYI - The divisor in a division equation is the number by which you divide. I legit think the Saipan has a modifier that lowers how many credits it earns. If I have an epic game in the Saipan, with premium and a Zulu flag, I get like 350,000 credits before expenses. If I did that in a Tirpitz, which costs about 100,000 more credits to even operate, I'd make double the money both before and after expenses. That's not all just because the Tirpitz, as a t8, makes better credits than the tier 7 Saipan...

 

[ryuukei8569]

 

 

 

what low credit earnings, mine seems to work just fine, and this is with the trolltastic AS loadout.

 

But I know exactly what your issue is. Your focusing everything on the battleships which have the highest HP pools. Credit and XP earnings are based on the percentage of damage you inflict on a ship, not the raw damage. Therefor, killing a DD is worth just as much as killing a BB even if the amount of raw damage done is far less. Reason why I got high credit earnings, is becuase almost all my DB drops where against destroyers. I actually find that AS saipan is good if you focus on map control. Use your birds to counter enemy CV and attack enemy DD's and it allows your team to effectively control the map and allows your team to have far more sway over the battle rather than just focusing on the battleship way in the back of the formation sniping ineffectually.

 

 

 

[goldeagle1123]

My suspicion is that WG made her credit income low because they didn't want to listen to the storm of shouting about how OP the ship is, combined with how that OP-ness makes her too good at making credits, and all the other bits about carriers being unfair (why should he make credits and take no risks blah blah blah). Most prem ships have a credit multiplier. I legit think Saipan has a credit divisor. The best part is, the Saipan isn't even OP. 

 

FYI - The divisor in a division equation is the number by which you divide. I legit think the Saipan has a modifier that lowers how many credits it earns. If I have an epic game in the Saipan, with premium and a Zulu flag, I get like 350,000 credits before expenses. If I did that in a Tirpitz, which costs about 100,000 more credits to even operate, I'd make double the money both before and after expenses. That's not all just because the Tirpitz, as a t8, makes better credits than the tier 7 Saipan...

 

 

"Saipan isn't even OP" Hmm, must be coincidence that she has a 57% winrate, and the same average damage as the Hiryu while shooting down 7.4 more planes on average.

[TenguBlade]

What ships and of what tier are you damaging?  CVs get even lower rewards than other classes for farming off battleships and lower-tier warships.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

 

 

 

what low credit earnings, mine seems to work just fine, and this is with the trolltastic AS loadout.

 

But I know exactly what your issue is. Your focusing everything on the battleships which have the highest HP pools. Credit and XP earnings are based on the percentage of damage you inflict on a ship, not the raw damage. Therefor, killing a DD is worth just as much as killing a BB even if the amount of raw damage done is far less. Reason why I got high credit earnings, is becuase almost all my DB drops where against destroyers. I actually find that AS saipan is good if you focus on map control. Use your birds to counter enemy CV and attack enemy DD's and it allows your team to effectively control the map and allows your team to have far more sway over the battle rather than just focusing on the battleship way in the back of the formation sniping ineffectually.

 

 

 

 

What ships and of what tier are you damaging?  CVs get even lower rewards than other classes for farming off battleships and lower-tier warships.

 

Maybe I didn't point it out clearly in my post.

I'm clearly aware of ransacking BB doesn't bring much Credit/XP

 

I'm comparing Saipan to other Hosho and Bogue with more or less same amount of damage with more or less same targets and saw that Saipan's income is not different to those

[Estimated_Prophet]

But I know exactly what your issue is. Your focusing everything on the battleships which have the highest HP pools. Credit and XP earnings are based on the percentage of damage you inflict on a ship, not the raw damage. Therefor, killing a DD is worth just as much as killing a BB even if the amount of raw damage done is far less. Reason why I got high credit earnings, is becuase almost all my DB drops where against destroyers. I actually find that AS saipan is good if you focus on map control. Use your birds to counter enemy CV and attack enemy DD's and it allows your team to effectively control the map and allows your team to have far more sway over the battle rather than just focusing on the battleship way in the back of the formation sniping ineffectually.

 

Pretty much why I may go back to my Air Superiority Saipan. I know people swear by the attack loadout, but I personally find the torpedo planes too situational to use. I've done much better just chasing enemy aircraft and using the DBs on annoying DDs and the occasional larger ship. Of course, having Air Supremacy is a part of that; plus 1 fighter in each is almost like having a fourth fighter squadron, and another 1,000lb bomb is also nice.

 

Oddly enough, my Ranger's winrate is higher than my Saipan's... and I never noticed there was any difference between credits earned between those two, or any of my other T7s.

[Captain_Dorja]

 

"Saipan isn't even OP" Hmm, must be coincidence that she has a 57% winrate, and the same average damage as the Hiryu while shooting down 7.4 more planes on average.

 

Saipan is no more OP than Hiryu or Ranger. I've played all 3 of them, and I think the Hiryu is best. The only thing Saipan has going for it is fast squadrons. That said, if I were in 2/2/2 Hiryu and I ran into a 3/0/1 Saipan, bad things would happen to me, but the same can be said of being in any Ranger load out and running into a 3/0/1 Saipan, or being in any Ranger loadout and running into a 3/1/2 Hiryu.

 

I don't put much stock in average damage numbers in this game since average damage is so dependent on target engaged. My Ranger average damage is 58,900 in 79 battles. My Saipan average damage is 62,000 in 21 battles (I know, tiny sample size) and my Hiryu average damage is 51,000 damage in 42 games. Why is my Hiryu damage so much lower? Simple. In the Ranger and Saipan, I mainly attack battleships first. After that in Ranger I attack cruisers, and I went for DDs last. In Saipan, I avoid cruisers because 3x TBs per squadron means they die instantly to Defensive Fire. In Hiryu, I go for DDs first, then BBs once all enemy DDs are dead (or unless a BB is like super vulnerable, like a stock Amagi who is alone). If I got in a good attack with the Ranger on a BB, it's not uncommon for that 1 attack to do more damage than I do in an entire Hiryu game. A lot of the time, I'd only make like 3 attacks per battle with Ranger and the game was over. I put stock in stats, but I also try and approach them with some though, and try to not take them at face value as the gospel.

[Reymu]

The tier difference (Tier 9 planes vs. all those lower-tier ships) is why the credit earnings are smaller.

 

Not broken, just the tier overmatch hurting your rewards. Nothing to be upset about.

[VTAdmiral]

The tier difference (Tier 9 planes vs. all those lower-tier ships) is why the credit earnings are smaller.

 

Not broken, just the tier overmatch hurting your rewards. Nothing to be upset about.

 

I had the same thought but evidently the costs of its planes are actually the same as Ranger and Hiryu.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

The tier difference (Tier 9 planes vs. all those lower-tier ships) is why the credit earnings are smaller.

 

Not broken, just the tier overmatch hurting your rewards. Nothing to be upset about.

 

It is something to be upset about when I buy premium ships I expect it to at least earn better than lower tier regulars

Isn't it the primary purpose of premium ships? Why do I need premium ships anyway then when Bogue and Hosho earns better with less risk of loosing planes.

 

 

I had the same thought but evidently the costs of its planes are actually the same as Ranger and Hiryu.

 

Indeed. Even at tier 9 plane cost are nothing. Main fee is the repair costs even though you aren't damaged at all. Taiho costs around idk 55k if I recall correctly just for being into battle. The costs understandable since CVs don't die as often as others and don't loose credits. But that's different story than Saipan.

 

Edit: I just checked. Taiho's "just for in battle fee"(that's how I call it personally) costs 70k

[IronWolfV]

 

It is something to be upset about when I buy premium ships I expect it to at least earn better than lower tier regulars

Isn't it the primary purpose of premium ships? Why do I need premium ships anyway then when Bogue and Hosho earns better with less risk of loosing planes.

 

Those tier 9 planes cost some $$$ to replaces. Welcome to having tier 9 planes on a tier 7 carrier.

[Gavroche_]

CVs can't have nice things.