Work to be done

[xBlackHowlingx]

Look a better balance has to be struck between battleships, Carriers and Destroyers and their torpedo attacks.

 

Divisions of Destroyers working together can take out battleships and CV's with voice chat coordination with one good salvo of torps the Battleship can't evade if done right because to avoid one is to be hit by the other. While unless you are really lucky and get a magazine hit a battleship can't take out a destroyer with their main armament with one hit....  That is if you are lucky enough to see the destroyers that launched the torp attacks to begin with. Seriously it's not whining to call it unbalanced.

 

there is a reason you see matches of 5 or more destroyers about every 3rd or 4th match you play

 

 

[pmgaudio]

 

 

Welcome to the forums BTW,,,,

[MidnightShamalan]

[tortelloni]

 

there is a reason you see matches of 5 or more destroyers about every 3rd or 4th match you play

 

 

 

That reason for seeing so many destroyers is called "Fun to Play". Small, quick (relatively), fragile boats with a decent frequency of firing versus slow, plodding, less maneuverable,  fire and nap during reload.

 

Cruisers get stomped by every class (one shot from BB, DD torp, CV torp, Overpowered other cruisers 2 levels higher tier is all it takes) so they are less and less desired even though outside of their frailty they are a nice mid range tween speedy sports car DD and glacier like BB.

[Compassghost]

So, three people working together defeats one person working alone? And this is OP?

 

Huh.

[Brofisticus]

Cruisers get stomped by every class (one shot from BB, DD torp, CV torp, Overpowered other cruisers 2 levels higher tier is all it takes) so they are less and less desired even though outside of their frailty they are a nice mid range tween speedy sports car DD and glacier like BB.

 

Negative, cruisers are fine. As a cruiser main, I would argue that RU cruisers are too strong and HE needs to be curb stomped. 

[pmgaudio]

 

Negative, cruisers are fine. As a cruiser main, I would argue that RU cruisers are too strong and HE needs to be curb stomped. 

 

you would....  /s

[Reymu]

Yes, it does stink for the other players when DD mains division up and coordinate devastating attacks--but that's working as intended. If you want to defeat that, bring in cruisers and a CV/DD to help hunt them. BBs aren't really meant to stand up to DDs.

[CAPTMUDDXX]

Appears to be a dislike of a well employed tactic

[Retnav54]

 

Negative, cruisers are fine. As a cruiser main, I would argue that RU cruisers are too strong and HE needs to be curb stomped.

 

I'd well agree with that - especially now at the lower tiers with the new limited MM - ie, a 130 mm Bogatyr with BFT, EM, AFT, 13.6 km gun range, and 9% fire chance - 10 km detection range, and doesn't get hit with the RU DD gun bloom nerf - a ship tailor made for seal clubbers at Tiers 3 and 4.

 

[Komrade_Rylo]

 

Negative, cruisers are fine. As a cruiser main, I would argue that RU cruisers are too strong and HE needs to be curb stomped. 

 

I'd say cruisers are on the way too powerful side tbh. They can kill their hard counters(battleships), faster than the hard counter can kill the cruiser.

[Francois424]

 

I'd say cruisers are on the way too powerful side tbh. They can kill their hard counters(battleships), faster than the hard counter can kill the cruiser.

 

Too much fire chance or fire(s) doing too much damage.

But CV/DD/Torpedoes needs to be left alone.  Too much nerfs to them already (coming from a BB main here btw)

[VTAdmiral]

So you're saying that 3 of your counter-class working together is very difficult to defeat?

[Raven114]

That's called realism, that's how destroyers in a formation should work. I laugh at the comments about we want Sub's could you see the uproar if the sub's worked in wolf-packs and sunk everything in sight everyone will go wild. Balance someone is always stronger, bigger, faster, Its your job as a Capt to defeat that and survive.

 

[reaper_swpz]

CA can kill their hard counter (BB) but get wrecked by that which they are supposed to counter (DD).

 

It's actually rather disturbing seeing a DM a Zao or a Hind get totally stomped by a Khab but it can and indeed does happen.

 

CA need a DD detection buff.

[Retnav54]

That's called realism, that's how destroyers in a formation should work. I laugh at the comments about we want Sub's could you see the uproar if the sub's worked in wolf-packs and sunk everything in sight everyone will go wild. Balance someone is always stronger, bigger, faster, Its your job as a Capt to defeat that and survive.

 

 

Don't let issm hear you using the "R" word (realism), he'll have another conniption fit....

 

[awiggin]

 

That reason for seeing so many destroyers is called "Fun to Play". Small, quick (relatively), fragile boats with a decent frequency of firing versus slow, plodding, less maneuverable,  fire and nap during reload.

 

Cruisers get stomped by every class (one shot from BB, DD torp, CV torp, Overpowered other cruisers 2 levels higher tier is all it takes) so they are less and less desired even though outside of their frailty they are a nice mid range tween speedy sports car DD and glacier like BB.

 

Is this a serious statement? If you're dying to DD's or CV torps in a cruiser, you did something wrong....

[jabberwalkie09]

 

Negative, cruisers are fine. As a cruiser main, I would argue that RU cruisers are too strong and HE needs to be curb stomped. 

 

 

I'd well agree with that - especially now at the lower tiers with the new limited MM - ie, a 130 mm Bogatyr with BFT, EM, AFT, 13.6 km gun range, and 9% fire chance - 10 km detection range, and doesn't get hit with the RU DD gun bloom nerf - a ship tailor made for seal clubbers at Tiers 3 and 4.

 

 

 

I'd say cruisers are on the way too powerful side tbh. They can kill their hard counters(battleships), faster than the hard counter can kill the cruiser.

 

 

Too much fire chance or fire(s) doing too much damage.

 

I wouldn't say cruisers are too powerful at all. I'd say that they do well enough up until tier 8. At tier 8, cruisers tend to suffer some significant disparity in damage IMO vs the competition they see between tier 9's and 10's which they can't offset. Really, probably the Soviet and IJN lines' fire chance is kind of high IMO (I shoot a hell of a lot of HE out of my Myoko, and Mogami's and Zao's set me on fire regularly in my Roon and Hindenburg). Extinguish two fires, next salvo get lit again.

 

BB's can and do turn cruisers to dust, or do significant damage, in one salvo. DD's can and do set fires often, and also stealth torp.

[VGLance]

331 battles played

42.9% win rate

18% survival rate

 

And the OP thinks he has the credibility to discuss the mechanics of this game. 

 

Attributes of a Loser: whines, demands game changes, acts reactively, too lazy to ask for advice and post videos so we can help him with his game play

 

Attributes of a Winner: takes personal accountability for their development, reflects on their performance, learns from their mistakes, adapts, asks questions on tips and overcoming challenges, posts videos and humbly accepts constructive criticism on them. 

 

Change your attitude and a whole new world will open up to you not just in this game, but outside of it as well.  

[Sir_Apocolypse]

[Retnav54]

331 battles played

42.9% win rate

18% survival rate

 

And the OP thinks he has the credibility to discuss the mechanics of this game.

 

Attributes of a Loser: whines, demands game changes, acts reactively, too lazy to ask for advice and post videos so we can help him with his game play

 

Attributes of a Winner: takes personal accountability for their development, reflects on their performance, learns from their mistakes, adapts, asks questions on tips and overcoming challenges, posts videos and humbly accepts constructive criticism on them.

 

Change your attitude and a whole new world will open up to you not just in this game, but outside of it as well. 

 

Attribute of an outright jerk - someone who thinks they have the right to publicly belittle another person they've never met IRL over their stats in a video game.

 

[VTAdmiral]

Attribute of an outright jerk - someone who thinks they have the right to publicly belittle another person they've never met IRL over their stats in a video game.

 

he does kinda have a point though.

 

If you think you might need surgery, who would you trust a diagnosis from? A Doctor or from a guy who watches a lot of House?

 

Experience matters. the OP is clearly still figuring out the game and has some lessons to learn.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

Look a better balance has to be struck between battleships, Carriers and Destroyers and their torpedo attacks.

 

Divisions of Destroyers working together can take out battleships and CV's with voice chat coordination with one good salvo of torps the Battleship can't evade if done right because to avoid one is to be hit by the other. While unless you are really lucky and get a magazine hit a battleship can't take out a destroyer with their main armament with one hit....  That is if you are lucky enough to see the destroyers that launched the torp attacks to begin with. Seriously it's not whining to call it unbalanced.

 

there is a reason you see matches of 5 or more destroyers about every 3rd or 4th match you play

 

 

This is why you team up with me in my CA, ill escort yea and keep those pesky DDs at bay and sink em if they get close and you can protect me from the Big Bad enemy BBs  and CAs .. Its called teamwork something that works is easy to imlement but for some reason in this game people are not to fond of , some of my best games have been when escorting BBs 

[Retnav54]

 

he does kinda have a point though.

 

If you think you might need surgery, who would you trust a diagnosis from? A Doctor or from a guy who watches a lot of House?

 

Experience matters. the OP is clearly still figuring out the game and has some lessons to learn.

 

True that - but it could have been pointed out to the OP in a more polite way that he might have been inclined to take on board and consider - instead of being presented in such an insulting manner, that's only going to provoke anger and cause them to ignore any constructive advice that might have been included.

 

[VTAdmiral]

 

True that - but it could have been pointed out to the OP in a more polite way that he might have been inclined to take on board and consider - instead of being presented in such an insulting manner, that's only going to provoke anger and cause them to ignore any constructive advice that might have been included.

 

 

Oh yeah no doubt. But the message is important, not just how it was delivered.