Justice League................... tease

[pmgaudio]

[MajorRenegade]

Batman: "I'm putting together a team with people with spacial ability's"

Flash: "Stop right there, I'm In!"

Batman: "you are? just like that?"

Flash: "I......... umm.......*awkward silence*.............I need friends"

Batman: "Really?"

Flash: "Can I keep this?"

[pmgaudio]

so.......I hear you can  talk to fish.....

[Lt_Maryk]

I' m real when it's useful

[pmgaudio]

I' m real when it's useful

 

most high tier BBs.....

[1Sherman]

Cool trailer, but after how badly DC messed up with Man of Steel and BvS and how much they screwed with how I like the characters in Suicide Squad, I'm giving this one a pass. It's just another failed attempt by DC to desperately come up with an answer to the MCU. Problem is that while the MCU has been 99% quality throughout, giving action, fun, and smartness (most of the time) to viewers, the DCCU is just trying to be "grim, gritty, and edgy." They come up with good trailers to distract people from the fact that their movies are terrible. I'd recommend going to see Doctor Strange this November and seeing Thor: Ragnarok next year rather than seeing Suicide Squad and Justice League.

[pmgaudio]

Cool trailer, but after how badly DC messed up with Man of Steel and BvS and how much they screwed with how I like the characters in Suicide Squad, I'm giving this one a pass. It's just another failed attempt by DC to desperately come up with an answer to the MCU. Problem is that while the MCU has been 99% quality throughout, giving action, fun, and smartness (most of the time) to viewers, the DCCU is just trying to be "grim, gritty, and edgy." They come up with good trailers to distract people from the fact that their movies are terrible. I'd recommend going to see Doctor Strange this November and seeing Thor: Ragnarok next year rather than seeing Suicide Squad and Justice League.

I find that most people who LOVE Marvel Universe don't know enough about DC story backgrounds to know enough, and vice versa...(like the people who thought that Fast kid in Ultron was Quicksilver,,, not everyone but so many, it was funny)

I though BVS was amazing and full of great detail into Batman, Darkseid, and Omega (dream sequence)... and gave a good insight to Flash and his time travel abilities... as well as doomsday's history, somewhat...

although Lex did not actually create him.. he was kryptonian, and most Marvel fans don;t know enough about that movie to know what was going on half the time....

Not saying I disagree with you.. just do not agree 100%

and I am very unsure about SS.... I do think it will be a let down, having been one of the most anticipated DC movies so far (next to BVS)

AND having grown up in this whole era of comics, batman, Superman and the like... I prolly know more than I should, LOL

BUT YES!!!!! DR STRANGE>>>  looking forward to that a lot... and hope I don't get disappointed... was one of my favorite comics growing up (my dad had SOO many of them), his fav to

[715]

I really excited for this movie. One thing that is odd to me is that Bruce Wayne is the one going around and recruiting for the team. That doesn't seem like something his character would do to me.

[Triela50]

Wonder Woman looks real good too like how they went with WW1 instead of WW2 nice touch

[derbuckeye]

I will agree. Wonder Woman looks interesting!!!! 

 

[WanderingGhost]

Cool trailer, but after how badly DC messed up with Man of Steel and BvS and how much they screwed with how I like the characters in Suicide Squad, I'm giving this one a pass. It's just another failed attempt by DC to desperately come up with an answer to the MCU. Problem is that while the MCU has been 99% quality throughout, giving action, fun, and smartness (most of the time) to viewers, the DCCU is just trying to be "grim, gritty, and edgy." They come up with good trailers to distract people from the fact that their movies are terrible. I'd recommend going to see Doctor Strange this November and seeing Thor: Ragnarok next year rather than seeing Suicide Squad and Justice League.

 

I will give you the points on MoS and BvS -they screwed up in a big way, namely on certain characters and well, killing some off that shouldn't really have died. Reasons I'm glad Geoff Johns was put where he was because I think he can reign in the crew from those two films (they aren't all Zack Snyder's fault, there are others to blame as well) to not completely screw things up. So far, I haven't seen Suicide Squad yet since it's not released yet, so I can't full well judge everything yet. What we have seen, I like Harley, I like Joker, Dead Shot, Waller, Flagg? I think it is. I'm more familiar with the first 4, and in that regard, they seem right to me. Haven't seen enough of Croc and the others, albeit I have to go do some digging because I know names and faces but can't recall if I've seen them before. I will however say, that I do have issues with aesthetics and some effects. I know what Margot Robbie and all behind it have said, they can't find a pair of just as shiny pants or shorts that aren't short shorts? I'd rank the Joker's new look on par with Doomsday from BvS - yes, that bad. And even going to this trailer, sorry, I can't stand the armour look of the flash suit, I'm getting on board with the movie flash so far but the shows (yes, even the 90's one) I feel did a better job with the suit - it's comics for crying out loud, even the TV show found a way to explain it and it's not like he has to worry about getting hit by a bullet unlike Batman. Cyborg - that is some rough CG, that is as bad as some of the stuff in Age of Ultron (they had such as in Ultrons first attack with starks bot, some really, really bad CG) and older films. Sorry, it's 2016, you can do better, unless thats a rough alpha/beta cut thats getting ALOT more work before release. And I'm sorry, but I have to go there and point out that The original Robocop, pretty much every terminator film, Star Trek: First Contact and even the Robocop remake, are way more believable visually as human/machine hybrids of various types than Cyborg in this trailer. And that's keeping in mind 2 of the films on this list are at or over nearly THIRTY (30) years old. Even if you just get a partial suit and enhance it with CGI, like what they started to do for RDJ when playing Ironman, that works. It just hit me after writing this - Cyborg in this trailer - it reminds me of the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern suit, which makes it that much worse having seen Deadpool earlier this year where even they riff on it. CG is great for things that need some enhancing or just could never do,  at least today like a super advanced holoprojection. But practical and practical enhanced with digital is the way to go. Say what you want about the Star Trek reboot films and The Force Awakens - J.J. Abrams trying to do everything he can without a computer makes those films so much better and feel so much more realistic. And some of it is silly, stupid, simple tricks. Filming the sky dive in the first movie - film them on mirrors and tweak it later. The power of illusion and working that magic like a magician to fool the audience as to what is real and what isn't makes a huge difference. Don't just throw up a man in CG metal and say "he's cyborg" - make me feel Ben Affleck is there standing talking with a man/machine hybrid. 

 

I have to disagree though that Marvel has been 99% quality. Ironman 2 and 3, Thor 2, Age of Ultron, Certain parts of the first Captain America and Civil War, the Norton Hulk Movie - not exactly the greatest. Because Marvel set a pretty high bar for itself and they just don't reach. They are by no means bad, like BvS, they are watchable and are okay movies, Cap 1 and Civil War being exceptions, they are good/great movies, but have things that kinda take away from them or fall down, at least in my opinion. I'd say they are more around 70-80% quality as a whole universe, if we go by movie, you have the stand outs, Ironman, Avengers, Winter Soldier - those are super high quality, but some of the others I listed, not so much.

 

Heres the thing. Since the mid 90's, with Batman Forever, till now, with the exception of the first two Nolan films (I don't really like Dark Knight Rises, it's not a bad film, but feel it has some major flaws and things I don't like) it feels like DC has the right pieces, but the wrong board. They have some great actors for these roles, I think other elements are in play, but somewhere, be it writing or directing or something, it falls apart -

 

Batman Forever - Kilmer could play a great Batman/Bruce Wayne, but felt like Batman all the time, Tommy Lee Jones was a pretty good Two Face (some people say the "and me, AND ME" is over the top but when you think of the way this Two Face is in particular, with the split personalities kinda vying for control, it makes sense) but it needed some work, and Jim Carrey could have been a great Riddler if they had him be a little less Ace Ventura.

 

Batman and Robin - George Clooney, another good choice but feels like it's always Bruce Wayne now, Take out the myriad of Ice puns and one liners and fix the writing in other spots, Arnold could have been a great Freeze, and she started good but then came well, everything else, but I have no doubts from the scene when she gets brought back and other films that Uma Thurman could have been a great Poison Ivy.

 

Superman Returns - Brandon Roth, now playing Atom on Arrowverse shows, I think he can play the part, I think Kevin Spacey could do Lex Luthor, hell, the character on House of Cards is practically the political version of exactly what Lex is, but the rest of the movie just...yeah.

 

Dark Knight Rises - Great casting, poor job on the Talia fake out, and between the changes to Bane, albeit far better than what they did to him in Batman and Robin, some of the plot and that damn ending. 

 

Man of Steel and BvS- I think the casting was good, I think Henry Cavill can play Superman, if we ever actually let him play the real Superman that joins the Justice LEAGUE not the Justice LORDS. Ben is a great Batman, and I get to say called it because I thought he could do it, Gal Gadot, great choice, Jeremy Irons, all the yes, The Kents, those work. But you have writing issues, being unfaithful to the core of the characters, terrible casting for the part of Lex Luthor and any other issues I've missed.

 

Arrowverse and Gotham - The casting is mostly good in the Arrowverse, but season 3 and 4 of Arrow was painful. 2 of Flash was too much of a repeat. I believe that Melissa Benoist can play Supergirl, as in the actual character I know as Supergirl, not what they have her playing which is basically what Superman should be. You flip the younger, eager to use his powers, and fact he shows little restraint and feels out out of place Superman from the movies with Supergirl on TV and vice versa, you fix both things at once. Legends was okay other than some moments of "get to the f****** point". And Gotham, you've sold me on Catwoman, Riddler, Penguin, and others, These people can play the parts and I want to see that kid they got to play that Joker esque character play the Joker down the road. But the writing on that show makes me go "Are you f****** kidding me" and go bang my head on a wall with the stuff they do sometimes and certain things with characters. 

 

For some reason, you have them animate something, You get Batman the animated series and everything it spun off. You get the DC shorts that are amazing. You get Justice League Doom and War. But somewhere in live action it all falls apart somehow.

 

I'm seeing all those films when I can. Cause DC has the damned potential, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad and JL show it, even BvS does when it's not screwing up. They have the ingredients, they just need the right cook. And yeah, Marvel has been good and I wanna see how they bring Strange to the screen , and well, what all happens with Ragnarok. 

[Guest]

I hope it turns out well, BvS was an enjoyable film with good action, but it could have been much better for various reasons that held it down from its full potential. 

[Drakenred]

I think that's how a lot of movies were this year I_T_R. for example ,to me, Civil war in some ways felt more like a "Spiderman" movie, almost like they realized that they were changing premise mid way through production or something and tried to get it back.

[1Sherman]

I find that most people who LOVE Marvel Universe don't know enough about DC story backgrounds to know enough, and vice versa...(like the people who thought that Fast kid in Ultron was Quicksilver,,, not everyone but so many, it was funny)

I though BVS was amazing and full of great detail into Batman, Darkseid, and Omega (dream sequence)... and gave a good insight to Flash and his time travel abilities... as well as doomsday's history, somewhat...

although Lex did not actually create him.. he was kryptonian, and most Marvel fans don;t know enough about that movie to know what was going on half the time....

Not saying I disagree with you.. just do not agree 100%

and I am very unsure about SS.... I do think it will be a let down, having been one of the most anticipated DC movies so far (next to BVS)

AND having grown up in this whole era of comics, batman, Superman and the like... I prolly know more than I should, LOL

BUT YES!!!!! DR STRANGE>>>  looking forward to that a lot... and hope I don't get disappointed... was one of my favorite comics growing up (my dad had SOO many of them), his fav to

 

I'm also a big DC fan, and I'm of the belief that Marvel does better live action and DC does better animated stuff. DC Animated shows and movies such as BTAS, Justice League, Justice league Unlimited, Teen Titans, Batman: Under The Red Hood, and Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox are amazing, but I'm not a fan of their movies (live action and animated) as a whole, especially since DC Animated Movies have been focusing more on the crappy New 52 stories more. I liked parts of the Dark Knight trilogy (action sequences, technology, Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Liam Neeson, Heath Ledger, music), but pretty much the rest of it I couldn't stand, especially with Christopher Nolan's heavy-handed themes beating me over the head every chance they got. BvS's biggest problem in my eyes was the characterization, especially that of Batman and Lex Luthor. Everyone was too focused on being "dark" and "gritty" and "edgy" for my taste.

 

 

I will give you the points on MoS and BvS -they screwed up in a big way, namely on certain characters and well, killing some off that shouldn't really have died. Reasons I'm glad Geoff Johns was put where he was because I think he can reign in the crew from those two films (they aren't all Zack Snyder's fault, there are others to blame as well) to not completely screw things up. So far, I haven't seen Suicide Squad yet since it's not released yet, so I can't full well judge everything yet. What we have seen, I like Harley, I like Joker, Dead Shot, Waller, Flagg? I think it is. I'm more familiar with the first 4, and in that regard, they seem right to me. Haven't seen enough of Croc and the others, albeit I have to go do some digging because I know names and faces but can't recall if I've seen them before. I will however say, that I do have issues with aesthetics and some effects. I know what Margot Robbie and all behind it have said, they can't find a pair of just as shiny pants or shorts that aren't short shorts? I'd rank the Joker's new look on par with Doomsday from BvS - yes, that bad. And even going to this trailer, sorry, I can't stand the armour look of the flash suit, I'm getting on board with the movie flash so far but the shows (yes, even the 90's one) I feel did a better job with the suit - it's comics for crying out loud, even the TV show found a way to explain it and it's not like he has to worry about getting hit by a bullet unlike Batman. Cyborg - that is some rough CG, that is as bad as some of the stuff in Age of Ultron (they had such as in Ultrons first attack with starks bot, some really, really bad CG) and older films. Sorry, it's 2016, you can do better, unless thats a rough alpha/beta cut thats getting ALOT more work before release. And I'm sorry, but I have to go there and point out that The original Robocop, pretty much every terminator film, Star Trek: First Contact and even the Robocop remake, are way more believable visually as human/machine hybrids of various types than Cyborg in this trailer. And that's keeping in mind 2 of the films on this list are at or over nearly THIRTY (30) years old. Even if you just get a partial suit and enhance it with CGI, like what they started to do for RDJ when playing Ironman, that works. It just hit me after writing this - Cyborg in this trailer - it reminds me of the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern suit, which makes it that much worse having seen Deadpool earlier this year where even they riff on it. CG is great for things that need some enhancing or just could never do,  at least today like a super advanced holoprojection. But practical and practical enhanced with digital is the way to go. Say what you want about the Star Trek reboot films and The Force Awakens - J.J. Abrams trying to do everything he can without a computer makes those films so much better and feel so much more realistic. And some of it is silly, stupid, simple tricks. Filming the sky dive in the first movie - film them on mirrors and tweak it later. The power of illusion and working that magic like a magician to fool the audience as to what is real and what isn't makes a huge difference. Don't just throw up a man in CG metal and say "he's cyborg" - make me feel Ben Affleck is there standing talking with a man/machine hybrid. 

 

I have to disagree though that Marvel has been 99% quality. Ironman 2 and 3, Thor 2, Age of Ultron, Certain parts of the first Captain America and Civil War, the Norton Hulk Movie - not exactly the greatest. Because Marvel set a pretty high bar for itself and they just don't reach. They are by no means bad, like BvS, they are watchable and are okay movies, Cap 1 and Civil War being exceptions, they are good/great movies, but have things that kinda take away from them or fall down, at least in my opinion. I'd say they are more around 70-80% quality as a whole universe, if we go by movie, you have the stand outs, Ironman, Avengers, Winter Soldier - those are super high quality, but some of the others I listed, not so much.

 

Heres the thing. Since the mid 90's, with Batman Forever, till now, with the exception of the first two Nolan films (I don't really like Dark Knight Rises, it's not a bad film, but feel it has some major flaws and things I don't like) it feels like DC has the right pieces, but the wrong board. They have some great actors for these roles, I think other elements are in play, but somewhere, be it writing or directing or something, it falls apart -

 

Batman Forever - Kilmer could play a great Batman/Bruce Wayne, but felt like Batman all the time, Tommy Lee Jones was a pretty good Two Face (some people say the "and me, AND ME" is over the top but when you think of the way this Two Face is in particular, with the split personalities kinda vying for control, it makes sense) but it needed some work, and Jim Carrey could have been a great Riddler if they had him be a little less Ace Ventura.

 

Batman and Robin - George Clooney, another good choice but feels like it's always Bruce Wayne now, Take out the myriad of Ice puns and one liners and fix the writing in other spots, Arnold could have been a great Freeze, and she started good but then came well, everything else, but I have no doubts from the scene when she gets brought back and other films that Uma Thurman could have been a great Poison Ivy.

 

Superman Returns - Brandon Roth, now playing Atom on Arrowverse shows, I think he can play the part, I think Kevin Spacey could do Lex Luthor, hell, the character on House of Cards is practically the political version of exactly what Lex is, but the rest of the movie just...yeah.

 

Dark Knight Rises - Great casting, poor job on the Talia fake out, and between the changes to Bane, albeit far better than what they did to him in Batman and Robin, some of the plot and that damn ending. 

 

Man of Steel and BvS- I think the casting was good, I think Henry Cavill can play Superman, if we ever actually let him play the real Superman that joins the Justice LEAGUE not the Justice LORDS. Ben is a great Batman, and I get to say called it because I thought he could do it, Gal Gadot, great choice, Jeremy Irons, all the yes, The Kents, those work. But you have writing issues, being unfaithful to the core of the characters, terrible casting for the part of Lex Luthor and any other issues I've missed.

 

Arrowverse and Gotham - The casting is mostly good in the Arrowverse, but season 3 and 4 of Arrow was painful. 2 of Flash was too much of a repeat. I believe that Melissa Benoist can play Supergirl, as in the actual character I know as Supergirl, not what they have her playing which is basically what Superman should be. You flip the younger, eager to use his powers, and fact he shows little restraint and feels out out of place Superman from the movies with Supergirl on TV and vice versa, you fix both things at once. Legends was okay other than some moments of "get to the f****** point". And Gotham, you've sold me on Catwoman, Riddler, Penguin, and others, These people can play the parts and I want to see that kid they got to play that Joker esque character play the Joker down the road. But the writing on that show makes me go "Are you f****** kidding me" and go bang my head on a wall with the stuff they do sometimes and certain things with characters. 

 

For some reason, you have them animate something, You get Batman the animated series and everything it spun off. You get the DC shorts that are amazing. You get Justice League Doom and War. But somewhere in live action it all falls apart somehow.

 

I'm seeing all those films when I can. Cause DC has the damned potential, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad and JL show it, even BvS does when it's not screwing up. They have the ingredients, they just need the right cook. And yeah, Marvel has been good and I wanna see how they bring Strange to the screen , and well, what all happens with Ragnarok. 

 

See my response above for my thoughts on the animated DC movies, BvS, and the Dark Knight trilogy. With regards to the older DC live action movies and the TV shows, I simply do not care because from the trailers I've seen (as well as a few episodes of Legends of Tomorrow), it brings nothing to the plate that I like (Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl) or because they screw up characters that I like (Gotham, Arrow). I also largely disagree with you on the Marvel movies. I liked Thor 2, Iron Man 2, all of Captain America: The First Avenger and Civil War (especially Civil War), and Age of Ultron. I believe that The Incredible Hulk was underwhelming (part Norton not being as likable as Mark Ruffalo, part the fact that Hulk has never had good material on his own) and I HATE Iron Man 3 more than pretty much every other movie I've seen to date. In the end, I'm going to stick with the Marvel movies over the DC live action ones because they give me what I like: Fun, action-filled, large-scale movies with great characterization. 

[Sturg303]

The Batman trilogy films were pretty good. I personally prefer superhero comics.

[Crucis]

Cool trailer, but after how badly DC messed up with Man of Steel and BvS and how much they screwed with how I like the characters in Suicide Squad, I'm giving this one a pass. It's just another failed attempt by DC to desperately come up with an answer to the MCU. Problem is that while the MCU has been 99% quality throughout, giving action, fun, and smartness (most of the time) to viewers, the DCCU is just trying to be "grim, gritty, and edgy." They come up with good trailers to distract people from the fact that their movies are terrible. I'd recommend going to see Doctor Strange this November and seeing Thor: Ragnarok next year rather than seeing Suicide Squad and Justice League.

 

 

I think that DC's problem here is pretty simple.  The MCU came first, and basically performed as you describe.  So DC wants to get on the movie bandwagon, but feel that they have to do something to differentiate the DCU's movies from Marvel's.  Like you said, "grim, gritty, and edgy".  Here's the problem as I see it.  I think that most people like the general formula for Marvel's movies, i.e action, fun, some good banter and humor, etc.  Serious enough that people can feel that the movie makes are taking the material seriously without going over the top serious.  But that seems to be exactly the problem with the DCU's movies, they seem so serious that they feel too serious and lack the fun and humor that exist in the Marvel movies.

 

Thus I think that DC was and is caught between a rock and a hard place.  Too serious and the movies don't seem and fun and entertaining.  Or go with something more like the Marvel formula and perhaps have some claim that they're just copying Marvel.

 

Personally, I'd have still gone with the "Marvel formula" of action, fun, good banter and humor.  And when people called you on it, just say that comic books and comic book movies ought to be full of action, fun, good banter, and humor, etc.  And that they're not supposed to be high drama or Shakespeare.

 

 

[Legendary_Typo]

Oh my god this thread has more text than all of Off-Topic combined... Not complaining though.

[Crucis]

Wonder Woman looks real good too like how they went with WW1 instead of WW2 nice touch

 

 

First, when I first saw the opening scene of the trailer, I was immediately thinking:

 

Diana:  You're a man.

(Chris Pine):  Hi, Jim Kirk!  Want to go get a drink?

 

 

 

Second, regarding the WW1 vs WW2 thing, one theory I heard and it seems to make some sense, is that DC didn't want the WW movie to seem too similar to the first Captain America movie that was also set in WW2, so they just pulled back 20 years and set it in WW1.

[Raven114]

Just saw Suicide Squad, Sorry to say terrible. Batman v Superman was worse but not by much.........

 

[Drakenred]

Lets put it this way.... even for a August movie it was bad.