4,043 [SALTY] Ace_04 Members 8,932 posts 18,339 battles Report post #1 Posted July 30, 2016 Hello fellow Captains, So I've just finished the month long Arizona missions to level up my USN BB commander to 15 points. I now plan on transferring him back to the Colorado of which where he was originally stationed. Moving forward, what do you think the best distribution of these points is? Is CE worth it on a BB? Or should I focus on multiple other lower level skills? This is my first 15 point BB commander, so I'm interested as to the community's insight on how to proceed with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 [HFXSD] Morpheus29 Beta Testers 753 posts 8,107 battles Report post #2 Posted July 30, 2016 I took manual secondaries. Nothing else seemed useful to me. Some people like to sneak up with CE, but doesn't happen a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,106 [ERN] MajorRenegade Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 10,906 posts 4,896 battles Report post #3 Posted July 30, 2016 Well i got my Iowa Concealment down 12 something km. Nothing scarier then a BB that can sneak up on you with 12km range and with a speed of 33 knots that can chase you 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,736 gurudennis Beta Testers 5,082 posts 5,575 battles Report post #4 Posted July 30, 2016 CE is absolutely worth it on a USN BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
944 Gavroche_ Members 2,304 posts 11,472 battles Report post #5 Posted July 30, 2016 CE is probably one of the most overpowered valuable skills out there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
194 BadNews420 Members 555 posts 11,596 battles Report post #6 Posted July 30, 2016 I dont think there is a 5th skill worth using on US BB. On IJN the secundary skill is good but US BB have bad secundarys. I know a lot of ppl like conselment but i like to use my guns so i will be spotted anyways, there is no way you can sneak up on anyone so you get as close as 12km, because you will start shoting your guns when they are 23km away from you. Forget 5th skill, get more of the smaller skills instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 29,074 battles Report post #7 Posted July 30, 2016 Concealment is much more useful for an American battleship than an IJN one. Nothing funnier than being able to spot a cruiser before they spot you and surprise-buttsexing him at your leisure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12 D_bob Beta Testers 166 posts 6,247 battles Report post #8 Posted July 30, 2016 There is no 5th tier skill that is worth the 5 points on a US BB right now. If you really want a tank build you can take Jack of All Trades and with High Alert and premium consumables get your repair cooldown really low so you don't take much fire damage. Or you can just forgo a 5th skill and get a tier 1 skill and Manual AA (with AFT being your first Tier 4) and really destroy all the planes within your AA radius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,753 goldeagle1123 Members 5,424 posts 3,448 battles Report post #9 Posted July 30, 2016 I guess no one uses PM as a T5 skill on USN BBs then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,242 [NDA] Wo_9 Beta Testers 5,251 posts 8,905 battles Report post #10 Posted July 30, 2016 Go what u want. But ur gonna wish you had Manual AA when a carrier wants ur booty. even if carriers are "rare" its still more than justified plus ur concealment means jack all when destroyers are near you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
43 Dapider Members 233 posts 828 battles Report post #11 Posted July 30, 2016 I don't own an Iowa or Montana, but I have been on the receiving end on a CE Montana... The ability to shoot and go dark is very useful, especially if there is an enemy Yamato around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,486 [NG-NL] Reymu Members 7,287 posts 13,074 battles Report post #12 Posted July 31, 2016 Believe me, when going up against high-tier CA captains that have concealment builds, you'll want a smaller detection range on your NC/Iowa/Montana. Otherwise the concealment-build cruisers can stealth fire at you. Ibuki/Zao are especially annoying since they pack a great chance of lighting you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,043 [SALTY] Ace_04 Members 8,932 posts 18,339 battles Report post #13 Posted July 31, 2016 Interesting points. Looks like even despite some debate, CE seems to be the overall choice. That was going to be my default choice, but wanted your guys opinion first. Gonna be a bit before I keep grinding the Colorado, but thanks for your opinions in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
777 [BARF] 1nc0mp3t3nt_1 Beta Testers 5,816 posts 5,497 battles Report post #14 Posted July 31, 2016 Interesting points. Looks like even despite some debate, CE seems to be the overall choice. That was going to be my default choice, but wanted your guys opinion first. Gonna be a bit before I keep grinding the Colorado, but thanks for your opinions in advance. as someone who charges headfirst into secondary ranges, I choose the manual for secondaries. it can absolutely save your life from an unprepared DD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33 MDTJ Beta Testers 149 posts 3,810 battles Report post #15 Posted July 31, 2016 Tier III-VII - JOAT (Survival builds for me and using all those healths/repairs is nice when your so slow you have no choice but to weather the firestorm) Tier VIII - None (AFT and Manual AA, omg watch the planes melt. Today for instance, was in a bow on dual with an Iowa, the enemy CV sent in the bombers and torp planes at me. Normally this equals broadside and a cit or two from the enemy BB as you dodge torps. With this build Tier VII, VIII planes will hardly make it to you. Stayed bow on, got behind him and dumped 3-4 shots into his broadside while team support finished him off. Without manual AA I would have had to turn into torps and would likely have died) Tier IX-X - CE (Not there yet but am building this captain on the AZ for when I unlock IA) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,544 [PSA] KaptainKaybe Members 5,118 posts 3,754 battles Report post #16 Posted July 31, 2016 CE all the way! Having a ship as crazy massive as an Iowa with only a 12.2km detection range is all kinds of awesome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,850 [AXANR] poeticmotion Members 3,650 posts 23,502 battles Report post #17 Posted August 1, 2016 I run Jack of All Trades on my USN BBs for quicker heals as I like to tank and brawl. USN BB secondaries suck so no sense spending 5 points on them. As far as concealment expert, well, I defer to Mesrith's opinion as he's much more skilled than I am. http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/76469-the-case-against-concealment-battleships/page__p__1876242__hl__+mesrith#entry1876242 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
819 [WOLFG] 4bRbyHSSzZ6pk Members 4,300 posts Report post #18 Posted August 1, 2016 For the Iowa I got Concealment Expert as my skill. It's too valuable when you're not top-tier and need to sneak up around the battlefield. On the Montana I'm currently trying the Manual Secondaries for a few battles to see how it behaves. If it turns out to be decent I'll keep it, if not I'll go with Concealment Expert as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
70 [SYN] EasyEight [SYN] Members 231 posts 10,609 battles Report post #19 Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) I run Jack of All Trades on my USN BBs for quicker heals as I like to tank and brawl. USN BB secondaries suck so no sense spending 5 points on them. As far as concealment expert, well, I defer to Mesrith's opinion as he's much more skilled than I am. http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/76469-the-case-against-concealment-battleships/page__p__1876242__hl__+mesrith#entry1876242 Why do the secondaries on the North Carolina suck? This ship, and the Iowa, mounted the 5"/38 caliber DP guns, x5 twin turrets per side. With an ROF 15, this means that the North Carolina could fire x150 5" shells a minute at some unlucky target. These turrets were powered drive, powered elevation and were controlled by a top notch fire control system. According to Wiki: "Among naval historians, the 5"/38 gun is considered the best intermediate-caliber,[4] dual purpose naval gun of World War II,[5] especially as it was usually under the control of the advanced Mark 37 Gun Fire Control Systemwhich provided accurate and timely firing solutions against surface and air targets. " These are the same guns (though in dual turrets) mounted on US DDs from the USS Mahan (T7) onwards -- and are the same dual-gun turrets used by the USS Gearing (T10) DD. So the NC, Iowa and Montana should be extra deadly compared to the IJN, which usually had secondaries in manually operated casemate mounts or turrets. Edited August 1, 2016 by EasyEight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
424 [A-D-F] Xenomancers Members 2,309 posts 8,150 battles Report post #20 Posted August 1, 2016 Why do the secondaries on the North Carolina suck? This ship, and the Iowa, mounted the 5"/38 caliber DP guns, x5 twin turrets per side. With an ROF 15, this means that the North Carolina could fire x150 5" shells a minute at some unlucky target. These turrets were powered drive, powered elevation and were controlled by a top notch fire control system. According to Wiki: "Among naval historians, the 5"/38 gun is considered the best intermediate-caliber,[4] dual purpose naval gun of World War II,[5] especially as it was usually under the control of the advanced Mark 37 Gun Fire Control Systemwhich provided accurate and timely firing solutions against surface and air targets. " These are the same guns (though in dual turrets) mounted on US DDs from the USS Mahan (T7) onwards -- and are the same dual-gun turrets used by the USS Gearing (T10) DD. So the NC, Iowa and Montana should be extra deadly compared to the IJN, which usually had secondaries in manually operated casemate mounts or turrets. OFC you are correct. However - USN = bad in this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 conjay810 Members 28 posts 1,885 battles Report post #21 Posted August 1, 2016 Why do the secondaries on the North Carolina suck? This ship, and the Iowa, mounted the 5"/38 caliber DP guns, x5 twin turrets per side. With an ROF 15, this means that the North Carolina could fire x150 5" shells a minute at some unlucky target. These turrets were powered drive, powered elevation and were controlled by a top notch fire control system. According to Wiki: "Among naval historians, the 5"/38 gun is considered the best intermediate-caliber,[4] dual purpose naval gun of World War II,[5] especially as it was usually under the control of the advanced Mark 37 Gun Fire Control Systemwhich provided accurate and timely firing solutions against surface and air targets. " These are the same guns (though in dual turrets) mounted on US DDs from the USS Mahan (T7) onwards -- and are the same dual-gun turrets used by the USS Gearing (T10) DD. So the NC, Iowa and Montana should be extra deadly compared to the IJN, which usually had secondaries in manually operated casemate mounts or turrets. The 5/38 was considered gr8 because of how incredibly good it was at AA due to its VT shells-however due to physical limits on loaders and gunners it was not a optimal gun-it had low muzzle velocity and thus correspondingly mediocre range and sheer fire power. And because the USN FC advantages in this game are ignored it has the same awful accuracy present on all secondaries, meaning the guns are practically useless just like every other high tier BB except tirpitz/Yamato/Izumo, which have higher caliber long range secondaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,616 [-K-] Edgecase [-K-] Members 6,122 posts 29,441 battles Report post #22 Posted August 1, 2016 CE build all the way. In Tier X matches, it's literally the only way to get yourself out of the ridiculous battleship blob's focus fire. Stop shooting, wait 23 seconds, you'll drop out of vision and can actually do something other than get lolpenned by their 5 Yamatos. You can even (gasp!) TURN AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN BOW-ON. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,173 Pope_Shizzle Members 3,229 posts 7,820 battles Report post #23 Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Concealment isn't about sneaking up on someone. It's about disappearing so you can maneuver safely. The manual secondaries are a good choice for IJN battleships because they have excellent secondaries and can generally maneuver without fear of a 45k salvo crippling them. The USN secondaries are lackluster and lack the range and volume of fire to make them good enough to take over Concealment. If you are using the captain to crew your Colorado, I'm not sure that either skill is terribly useful for you. I would consider a 2nd tier 4 skill like manual AA or even the tier 5 skill Jack of all Trades. Combined with premium consumables, you could have your heal down to 65 seconds, which is crazy fast. Edited August 1, 2016 by Pope_Shizzle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
861 Sakuzhi Beta Testers 7,130 posts 7,345 battles Report post #24 Posted August 1, 2016 Concealment isn't about sneaking up on someone. It's about disappearing so you can maneuver safely. The manual secondaries are a good choice for IJN battleships because they have excellent secondaries and can generally maneuver without fear of a 45k salvo crippling them. The USN secondaries are lackluster and lack the range and volume of fire to make them good enough to take over Concealment. If you are using the captain to crew your Colorado, I'm not sure that either skill is terribly useful for you. I would consider a 2nd tier 4 skill like manual AA or even the tier 5 skill Jack of all Trades. Combined with premium consumables, you could have your heal down to 65 seconds, which is crazy fast. The NC with I think game-best 11.8km Concealment allows you to do both. But it is also because there's really no point in grabing anything other than 'maybe' the Jack of all trades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,860 [NMKJT] VTAdmiral Beta Testers 24,800 posts 3,956 battles Report post #25 Posted August 1, 2016 Well i got my Iowa Concealment down 12 something km. Nothing scarier then a BB that can sneak up on you with 12km range and with a speed of 33 knots that can chase you Unless you're a Yamato. And then that 12km BB is "Oh thanks for getting so close I can't miss". But yes in general the CE build seems to be popular on higher tier US battleships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
