12.7cm type A,B,B改1,C,D Whats the difference and what makes Kagero's guns weaker

[yamatotamura]

Now to get started what made me want to see this. Well to start we need to start with 天津風(Amatukaze)、島風(Shimakaze). We have a cute little 12.7cm duel turret friend most of us all know and love.  Rensouhou-kun（連装砲君）、Rensouhou-chan (連装砲ちゃん) , whats the difference? Is one better than the other? 

This also answers why Kagero is weaker than Fubuki. 

 

Type A : The ones on the original Fubuki. Hastuharu (Hull A) (Gun A) in-game

This is the original 12.7cm with the weak durability 

Angle: 40 degree's 

Weight: 24.5 tons

Not an angle good enough for AA therefore it effects no stat in the AA. 

 

 

Type B: The ones on the upgraded Fubuki (Hull B) (Gun B)

This is the upgraded version after the first gun for the Fubuki class.

Angle: 75 degree's 

Weight: 32 tons 

Suited for the AA roll thus when you upgrade to Gun B you get a huge AA boost (11-> 31)

 

Type B改1: The ones that are on the Hastuharu.

This is the only gun equipped on the Hastuharu class.

Angle: 55 degree's

Not suited for AA role therefore no AA stat is effected by these guns. 

 

Type C: The one that is on the Kagero (Hull A,B,C)  (Gun A) Fubuki (Hull A) (Gun A) in-game.

This is the gun equipped on the Kagero, Shirastuyu, Asashiyo class.

Unlike the B the angles lower from 75 degree's -> 55 degree's

Angle: 55 degree's

Weight is estimated between A and B.

This is Rensouhoukun (連装砲君） The ones equipped on Amastukaze which is a Kagero class. 

By angle its not sufficient enough for AA thus does not effect AA stats. 

 

Type D: The ones equipped on the Shimakaze (Hull A) (Gun A).

These guns are equipped on Shimakaze, and Yuugumo class.

Upgraded the angle back to 75 degree's

Angle: 75 degree's

Since the angle is sufficient enough the guns are effected in the AA stat.

 

This explains why the Fubuki has dual purpose guns that are AA and normal turret while the Kagero only has the type C guns not enough for AA. 

Fine.... this makes some sense historically. Still makes Kagero in a sad place. This still isn't a reason why we should put Kagero in this sad situation. Don't forget Kagero IS A HIGHER TIER THAN FUBUKI. Kagero doesn't have the AA guns or the decent torps to do good. Kagero especially needs the dual purpose since Tier IX~X has all those planes. The Kagero has the sad torps and sad guns which aren't even AA available. 

 

 

This part is a Rant ignore if you wish.

I hope this has helped to inform why the Fubuki is a dual purpose gun and Kagero isn't. Hope soon a Wargaming staff looks at this and considers some Kagero buffs. I can see why a Tier IX can suck since the next one is better. Izumo is terrible but at least the Yamato is next, but Kagero has the Shima next which for the pain current Kagero players go through may not be worth it. 

 

[Komrade_Rylo]

I know plenty of people that would thoroughly agree with no more buffs to DDs. 

[Takamachi_Nanoha_sg]

I don't play kancolle, but it should be 連装砲, not 連想砲 means imaginary gun....haha just to have some fun

[yamatotamura]

I don't play kancolle, but it should be 連装砲, not 連想砲 means imaginary gun....haha just to have some fun

 

Thanks was typing quickly so I didn't see the miss spell there. As a person who is playing from Japan I feel embarrassed for such a easy misspell.

[Snoozing_Mako]

So what I take from this is that the Yuugumo class should replace the Kagero class.

[yamatotamura]

So what I take from this is that the Yuugumo class should replace the Kagero class.

 

Not saying "replace" just saying maybe they should do something about Kagero. (compensate for the non-AA gun) Maybe Wargaming is plotting a Yuugumo premium O.O

[Stratego89]

I know plenty of people that would thoroughly agree with no more buffs to DDs. 

Yeah. Probably the same spuds that don't know how to use their WASD keys and keep asking them to be nerfed even further into the ground so they're beyond unusable.

[Snoozing_Mako]

 

Not saying "replace" just saying maybe they should do something about Kagero. Maybe Wargaming is plotting a Yuugumo premium O.O

 

Well Kagero is just a crap Fubuki.

At least Yuugumo has Shima guns and has better AA than Mutsuki.

[atPrick__]

I know plenty of people that would thoroughly agree with no more buffs to DDs. 

 

did I miss some massive buff or something?!

 

DDs have been getting hammered the last handful of patches.

 

I think players that spend a inordinate time in only one ship class are the only ones that would feel that way...

[yamatotamura]

 

Well Kagero is just a crap Fubuki.

At least Yuugumo has Shima guns and has better AA than Mutsuki.

 

Man Kagero was fun back then, it looks like Yuugumo will take its place if it ever appears. 

[yamatotamura]

 

did I miss some massive buff or something?!

 

DDs have been getting hammered the last handful of patches.

 

I think players that spend a inordinate time in only one ship class are the only ones that would feel that way... 

 

Not to mention that Atlanta's will soon get a radar making middle tiers suffer RIP DD looks like your going to the same place as CV's.

[atPrick__]

 

Not to mention that Atlanta's will soon get a radar making middle tiers suffer RIP DD looks like your going to the same place as CV's.

 

Atlanta has it now and it works as well as you would think, no ship outside of Des Moines is as purpose built to lolstomp Destroyers like Atlanta.

 

It will not surprise me in the least if I start seeing Atlanta in matches more often, she works really really well right now. Which means mid tier DDs have yet another nerf to contend with...

[MrDeaf]

Kagero's improvement over Fubuki are in areas where it doesn't matter in WoWs.

 

	Full load Displacement	Power	Top speed	Fuel	Endurance
Fubuki	1,980t	50,000hp	38 knots	475t	17 knot / 1,600 nm
Kagero	2,500t	52,000hp	35 knots	622t	18 knot / 5,000 nm

 

Weapons wise, there's not a lot of improvement over Fubuki, because that quick reload ability is shared with smoke.

[yamatotamura]

Kagero's improvement over Fubuki are in areas where it doesn't matter in WoWs.

 

	Full load Displacement	Power	Top speed	Fuel	Endurance
Fubuki	1,980t	50,000hp	38 knots	475t	17 knot / 1,600 nm
Kagero	2,500t	52,000hp	35 knots	622t	18 knot / 5,000 nm

 

Weapons wise, there's not a lot of improvement over Fubuki, because that quick reload ability is shared with smoke.

 

Thats one issue Kagero is an upgrade from Fubuki but upgrade that makes it better doesn't include the endurance etc. weapon wise its the same or worse than Fubuki. Also sacrificing smoke for torps that doesn't hit most of the time isn't really worth it in my opinion. 

[chewonit]

 

did I miss some massive buff or something?!

 

DDs have been getting hammered the last handful of patches.

 

I think players that spend a inordinate time in only one ship class are the only ones that would feel that way...

 

Well. I spent all my time in only DD's and I absolutely don't feel that way.

[HazeGrayUnderway]

 

Not to mention that Atlanta's will soon get a radar making middle tiers suffer RIP DD looks like your going to the same place as CV's.

 

If an Atlanta really is a concern to your DD, you need to completely revise what you're doing.  The Atlanta, radar or not, is one of the worst DD killers in the game.  There isn't a thing her guns can do in that capacity that is better done by other Cruisers.  Other Cruisers will nail you at far longer ranges if your DD is detected, i.e. same tiered Schors or Myoko and her high amount of 8" guns.  The only time Atlanta shines is if she gets to play in Suicidal Short Range.  That shouldn't happen with DDs with their superior speed, far superior concealment, and for Russian DDs, far superior gun engagement ranges.

 

If your DD is having Atlanta as a problem, you've done f--ked up.

[Sloth_Like_Reflexes]

I know plenty of people that would thoroughly agree with no more buffs to DDs.

 

 

Yup.  It's not the individual DD itself, it's when you get 5 and 6 per side at high tiers.  Only so many torpedoes you can dodge.

 

 

And his credit management in Warships and Tanks is absolutely horrendous.

[VTAdmiral]

 

did I miss some massive buff or something?!

 

DDs have been getting hammered the last handful of patches.

 

I think players that spend a inordinate time in only one ship class are the only ones that would feel that way...

 

No it's just bitter straight-liners who can only ever accept nerfs to the "Stupidly OP" class that keeps sinking them because they keep driving in straight lines.

[Killjoy1941]

So what I take from this is that the Yuugumo class should replace the Kagero class.

 

Well Kagero is just a crap Fubuki.

At least Yuugumo has Shima guns and has better AA than Mutsuki.

 

The fun part is the Fubukis pre-date the Hatsuharus. I think we're just going to have to live with it because the logical progression gaps in the IJN DD line look tailor-made to allow a second line, something for which there are more than enough Japanese DD classes.

[_Dobrynja_]

Mfw made this same thread like 5 months ago.

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/80084-question-buff-the-kagerou/page__fromsearch__1

[goldeagle1123]

 

Not saying "replace" just saying maybe they should do something about Kagero. (compensate for the non-AA gun) Maybe Wargaming is plotting a Yuugumo premium O.O

 

Akizuki is more likely. And what would be cool is if they made the Kagero's and Shimakaze's torps not s***.

[Destroyer_Verniy]

I don't like where the IJN DD line is right now. Out of any class and line in the game, IJN DDs feel like they have the highest skill cap. I've spent most of my time playing DDs and I can say, performing in a game is very hit or miss at higher tiers. It was more fun back when you could reliably land 5 or more torps per game.

 

Lately I've used both range upgrades to make my Kagerou a stealth sheller with 13km guns, 8km torps and the torp reloader consumable. Its... an interesting play-style but it feels much more versatile and rewarding. Went back to full torp captain to check how it has been faring last couple days though.

Not impressed.

 

Would LOVE to see Akizuki eventually. 

[yamatotamura]

Talking about Yuugumo here a while back and now its a tier IX well whoopty doo