Can we please get a Tier 5 or 6 IJN premium cruiser

[BossmanSlim]

The IJN and USN ship trees are the most complete in the game and therefore benefit the most from premium ships, especially for captain retraining.  The best captain trainers, IMO, are light cruisers in the tier 5 or 6 range.  They typically are the most captain independent of any ships due to fast firing and rotating guns and enough protection to do what is needed.  DDs need last stand and BBs need expert marksman to good, both of which are not good for captain retraining.  Tier 5 and 6 are low enough to get fast matches and not be bounced up to high tier games, even though tier 6s see tier 8s.  Tier 4 and under starts getting into territory where you don't get enough points to move the needle fast enough.

 

• The USN has the Marblehead, which even though it is a huge P.O.S., it still servers its role good enough as a captain retrainer.
• The VMF has the Murmansk and Molotov
• KM has nothing, but only 1 line, soon to be 2, but will have the Scharnhorst which should fill the role good enough
• IJN has nothing, their tier 5 to 6 premiums are all DDs (ARP ships don't count).  The Ishizuchi  and Yubari are tier 4 and the Atago is tier 8, which means high tier games.

 

Can we please get a tier 5 or 6 IJN premium light cruiser?  Maybe the Agano (3x2 152mm) or Oyodo (2x3 155mm)

[crzyhawk]

I think a clone Furutaka or Aoba is more likely, but I agree, the IJN certainly needs some premiums.

[Nachoo31]

I have in the past trained DD captains in the Ishizuchi  before the Fujin/Kami.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

Furrytaco with dual 140mm turrets plez 

[VTAdmiral]

Furrytaco with dual 140mm turrets plez 

 

Kako when

 

wg plz

[goldeagle1123]

I just want an Akizuki-class at tier 8.

[VTAdmiral]

I just want an Akizuki-class at tier 8.

 

I've pushed for this several times. As a premium they could use Hatsuzuki, who has a pretty big thing where she covered rescue operations of Zuikaku's crew during Cape Egano and was sunk as a result, but the motor launches got away safely.

[LubzinNJ]

DDs need last stand and BBs need expert marksman to good, both of which are not good for captain retraining.

 

I don't agree with that at all

[Amogussy]

The Oyodo class might be a good contender when/if a premium IJN tier 5-6 CL is added, but whether it is the ship will heavily rely on how the Dunkerque preforms with all forward turrets.

[VTAdmiral]

The Oyodo class might be a good contender when/if a premium IJN tier 5-6 CL is added, but whether it is the ship will heavily rely on how the Dunkerque preforms with all forward turrets.

 

As interesting as Oyodo is, I'd rather an Agano class. Isuzu could be a good AA-focused T5 IJN premium, given her late-war AA refits.

 

EDIT: And her base hull can be recycled for the IJN CL line split which will no doubt contain Agano itself. They carried twin 15.2cm gun turrets and should be competitive in T5 or 6.

[goldeagle1123]

 

I've pushed for this several times. As a premium they could use Hatsuzuki, who has a pretty big thing where she covered rescue operations of Zuikaku's crew during Cape Egano and was sunk as a result, but the motor launches got away safely.

 

I talked with Citrusss about them doing Suzutsuki as a premium ship or a possible "Project-R" type reward ship to commemorate the capitulation of Japan, seeing as how Suzutsuki was the only Akizuki-class destroyer to survive the war.

[VTAdmiral]

 

I talked with Citrusss about them doing Suzutsuki as a premium ship or a possible "Project-R" type reward ship to commemorate the capitulation of Japan, seeing as how Suzutsuki was the only Akizuki-class destroyer to survive the war.

 

But other than "not die" what did she do?

 

Hatsuzuki has a heroic last stand in her history.

[goldeagle1123]

 

But other than "not die" what did she do?

 

Hatsuzuki has a heroic last stand in her history.

 

 

Not much other than survive operation Ten-Go, and the remainder of the war. But hey, surviving the war is honestly a pretty big accomplishment for an IJN ship.

[crzyhawk]

The problem with akizuki is that there appear to be no surface warfare rounds developed, only AA.

[VTAdmiral]

The problem with akizuki is that there appear to be no surface warfare rounds developed, only AA.

 

Doesn't stop Ibuki and Zao from having Akizuki's 10cm/65s as secondary guns.

 

But this thread is about cruisers, not destroyers!

 

Agano or Ooyodo would be fine in tier 5/6, though my vote is for the AA-rebuilt Agano class, Isuzu.

[Jinxed_Katajainen]

The problem with akizuki is that there appear to be no surface warfare rounds developed, only AA.

 

WG will come up with something... The 12.7cm 3rd Year Type DD guns don't have AP IRL either IIRC.

 

As for a mid-tier IJN cruiser premium...  I'd like to see what they'll do with the planned AA refits to some of the existing ships in the tree as well.  Make them all premium, or make another line?

Either way, something like Agano like the OP said, seeing Sendai or Nagara classes, but they'd probably be tier 4 along with the Kumas, unless they get their Type 93 torpedo launcher refits, but I think that will massively unbalance them at tier 4/5...  or Maya's AA config could be workable since she loses two guns for AA (Tier 7 maybe?)

[YamatoA150]

Furrytaco with dual 140mm turrets plez 

 

Oh god yes.  With the Yubari/Iwaki Module please.  It'd fit pretty well in T5 with the stock hull, or T6 with Furutaka's Hull and upgraded torpedoes.

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

Oh god yes.  With the Yubari/Iwaki Module please.  It'd fit pretty well in T5 with the stock hull, or T6 with Furutaka's Hull and upgraded torpedoes.

 

Tier 6 is probably pretty optimistic especially with the range the Furrytaco has, besides the torps are already excellent for its tier.  

[Camping4XP]

I think a clone Furutaka or Aoba is more likely, but I agree, the IJN certainly needs some premiums.

 

Like the Kako or Kinugusa?

[mofton]

Seems more than fair. 

 

IIRC the latest and pending premiums have been Texas-Indy-Arizona-Krispy Kreme-Scharnhorst-Konig Albert-Dunkerque.

 

That's 7 premiums inc. 5 battleships and 2 cruisers, no Japanese releases.

 

Something a bit different, balanced and historic would be nice.

[VTAdmiral]

Wait, I'm dumb. Isuzu was Nagara class, not Agano class.

 

 

So if we went for Agano class, I'd push for Yahagi, but I really like the idea of an AA-focused Nagara class Isuzu in tier 5.

 

Or Sendai class. Naka, anyone?

[DoomStomper]

Sendai might be interesting at T5, especially if her release coincides with a proper night battle mode.

 

Then again since she has a very Kuma-ish design, she'd probably end up performing like the IJN equivalent of the Kreampie. 

[Izolyn]

I like the idea of an Agano-class as a mid-tier premium. I'd vote Yahagi, because Ten-Go seems to have been the most memorable thing any of them did, and while Sakawa was at Bikini Atoll she also didn't see any actual combat. Would rather not have a clone of any existing ships, and I'd prefer an Agano-class over Isuzu (or a Sendai-class) for aesthetic reasons. Also because a post-refit Isuzu's armament would consist of 6 (3x2) 12.7mm cannons and no torpedoes.

 

When you say Scharnhorst should fill the role well enough for Germany, do you mean as a mid-tier captain-independent premium to use as a trainer? Because she certainly doesn't fill a "T5/T6 cruiser" role.

[YamatoA150]

Tier 6 is probably pretty optimistic especially with the range the Furrytaco has, besides the torps are already excellent for its tier.  

 

I would prefer it at T6 with the equivalent of Furutaka's Hull and torps.  The design was an early Furutaka concept, and normally would have had the stock Furutaka hull and torps instead, making her too fragile for T6 as-is.  But with the upgraded hull and torps, she'd do well enough in T6 alongside the other shell spammer that is Cleveland, but remaining about as fragile as an Atlanta or a German cruiser (with Furutaka Hull).

 

Prototaka would still be fragile and have some bad angles to her guns (moreso compared to Cleveland), but the pure volume of fire she'd be able to put out in a rare broadside, both in HE and AP (and assuming no changes from Yubari's gun and shell characteristics), would offset that in either Tier and form.  The added advantage of at least having 4 barrels pointing forward charging vs the 2 of the regular Furutaka [A]/ also helps out some (similar to Furutaka [C] and Aoba, where 4 guns front already helps improve survivability some).

[BossmanSlim]

When you say Scharnhorst should fill the role well enough for Germany, do you mean as a mid-tier captain-independent premium to use as a trainer? Because she certainly doesn't fill a "T5/T6 cruiser" role.

 

Yes, because the turret rotation is pretty fast, so it doesn't really need any skills to be good.  Most BB turret rotation is so slow that EM is really needed to make them worth while.  At tier 7, it won't see tier 10 games, which are much more prevalent than tier 9.  As it is a BB, it will have the toughness to successfully deal with tier 8 and 9, which most cruisers don't.