To all those people who say u gain something and don't lose anything With new patch

[holycrazyasian]

 

 Let me put this in the universal language math:

A build with BOS can be written with the equation

BOS+ A+B+.....+N= X where a, B and n are positive real numbers that are defined.

A build with BFT can be written with the equation 

BFT+ A+B+.....+N = Y where A,B, and N are positive real numbers that are defined.

Let M be a variable that satisfies the equation

X-Y=M

If M is positive then there is no net loss but if M is negative then there is a net loss.

For all players who find BoS>BFT then m must be positive no net loss but a gain.

For all players who find Bos = bFt then M must = 0 and thus no net loss

For all players who find BFT> BOS then y >X thus M must be negative.

What does that mean??! a NET FKING LOSS

 

 

 

[neoniec]

Um... What? 

[SunTzu71]

Oh jeez. This hurts really badly.

 

My head that is.

[Mesrith]

I've had a few beers, so I feel like I can almost understand this, if I tilt my head at the right angle...

 

Nope, can't reach it.

[Sir_Apocolypse]

Dude, another post about this?  Why not just stick with your original one?   Do you have a single point in anything besides SA?  Yes or No.  If you do, your point for SA is refunded to a usable point, it only goes to BoS if you ONLY have SA selected.  Also, if you have a spare point for another highter tier captain point, put THAT point where you want it in the first tier, and you will GET YOUR POINT BACK from SA to use at the higher tier captain.  

 

The only people that this setup will truly effect are people who have not saved or have a free point currently, that also ONLY have SA on the first line.  If this is your case, so sad, WG says yet again too bad and such is life.  Starting more threads about the same thing will NOT help your cause.

 

[MidnightShamalan]

but you do gain something.

 

and you don't lose anything.

 

i'm having a really hard time trying to see your side.

 

 

yes, it sucks that some people will come out better than others, almost exclusively in the case of DDs. but your builds stay exactly the same as they were before. you're not losing anything. there is no "net loss" if they took nothing away.

 

would other options have been better? sure. but the only thing you're losing is the argument that you're losing something. paradox

[Moksie]

Just going to make it harder on yourself.  They confirmed no change in plans.

[Sir_Apocolypse]

but you do gain something.

 

and you don't lose anything.

 

i'm having a really hard time trying to see your side.

 

 

yes, it sucks that some people will come out better than others, almost exclusively in the case of DDs. but your builds stay exactly the same as they were before. you're not losing anything. there is no "net loss" if they took nothing away.

 

would other options have been better? sure. but the only thing you're losing is the argument that you're losing something. paradox

 

Pretty much what I told him on his "other" thread.

[RogueFlameHaze]

so.. you needed two threads because people said you weren't really making sense?

[Cruiser_Chicago]

At best, you get a free captain skill.

 

At worst, your optimal build path gets delayed by 1 point.

 

I would've still preferred a full reset though, now I need 18 points to get Torpedo Armarment Expertise and BFT on my DD because of this change.

[faenorlas]

you might be over thinking this bro 

[crzyhawk]

[Gavroche_]

You tried to math...but you failed.

[holycrazyasian]

The reason I made this post is to introduce the idea of "opportunity cost" to other players. Opportunity cost is an economic term that means the cost of the next best thing. Aka a free concert ticket that u go too cost u the next best thing which u could be doing (aka playing wows for three hrs.) showing the idea that nothing is truly free. 

thus as my math shows A, b and all the way to N are numerical values representing the values perceived by the player of the different captain skills. With BOS and BFT representing the values perceived by the same player on the skills basics of survivability and basic fire training respectively. With X representing the value for the player of all the skills added up of a BOS build and Y the value of all the skills added up of a BFT build. 

Afterwards I create a variable M to represent the difference of value between a BOS and BFT build.

With a positive M meaning that a BOS build is worth more then a BFT build thus a net gain.

A M= 0 meaning value of BOS build = value of BFT build thus no change 

A negative M means a BFT build is worth more to a BOS build thus a net loss.

All the Mumbo jumbo of real number and defined number is for math people to say that the function is real and not infinity but that is something u can look up urslef since it is usually taught with a month in calculus

 

 

[holycrazyasian]

Crash course economics talks about this in a better way of u still don't understand

 

[hoom]

SA+ A+B+.....+N = Z

X + SA > Z

Y + SA > Z

Both are a gain compared to just Z.

[Sage_wolf]

 From your name it seems you might be trolling hahaha.

[faenorlas]

Wait wait... let me try to math something.

 

B==D  

 

Well nuts that doesn't make sense.  

[LittleWhiteMouse]

Your math doesn't add up.  You keep leaving out that we're getting Situational Awareness for free.  If Basics of Survivability is worth less to you than Basic Fire Training, then you're still gaining -- you're just gaining less.

[Sir_Apocolypse]

The true reality of the situation, is that you are upset that you still have to grind for the point for a skill you would have had to grind for anyways, so sad for you.  The other reality is that you now still have SA, and have another skill that will probably help you stay alive a bit longer to continue the grind for the other point that you would have had to grind for anyways.

 

Trying to apply math and economics into the decision, create multiple posts about it, and thinking WG will change their decision because you don't like it is your unreality.

[Gavroche_]

1. You can't add a captain skill to a real number, unless you're high or in JavaScript...

2. Nobody's forcing you to take BoS, there are ways to get BFT such as respeccing, retraining, etc.

3. You're comparing two possible 5.9 builds. With equal point we see that making the transition from 5.8 to 5.9 only adds possibilities l

4. What does "0" even mean I'm the context of... this? If you're defining X and Y as arbitrary values or.........just what??

 

I can't tell if you're actually stupid or just trolling.

[holycrazyasian]

 From your name it seems you might be trolling hahaha.

Nah not really

SA+ A+B+.....+N = Z

X + SA > Z

Y + SA > Z

Both are a gain compared to just Z.

look to my reply to mouse

Your math doesn't add up.  You keep leaving out that we're getting Situational Awareness for free.  If Basics of Survivability is worth less to you than Basic Fire Training, then you're still gaining -- you're just gaining less.

Mouse r u trolling? I expected better from u....

Since my equation is a series it means I included situational awareness since it will just be one of the numerous variables added within it. Aka pick ur variable but since both equations will have to contain same variable it still doesn't change anything previously stated.... The fact that I could be getting something better meant that I lost the "opportunity" to gain the better situation (aka opportunity cost) and when ur cost is greater then ur gain then it is a loss. Aka since my opportunity cost (the cost of what I could have gotten aka BFT build) is higher then what i get (value of the BOS build) I have a net lost

[ExplosiveDumpling]

 

[holycrazyasian]

 

1. You can't add a captain skill to a real number, unless you're high or in JavaScript...

2. Nobody's forcing you to take BoS, there are ways to get BFT such as respeccing, retraining, etc.

3. You're comparing two possible 5.9 builds. With equal point we see that making the transition from 5.8 to 5.9 only adds possibilities l

4. What does "0" even mean I'm the context of... this? If you're defining X and Y as arbitrary values or.........just what??

 

I can't tell if you're actually stupid or just trolling.

 

hat my friend is the beauty of math..... When adding human choices we call her economics, when adding real life values we call her physics, ect ect.... Anything can  be assigned a value and then we can do math.....

[holycrazyasian]

 

But what will us Asians jack off to when we get bored of physics?