Any JMSDF ships in the future?

[Kitakami_]

Before you freak out, no. 

 

I'm not thinking of stuff like Kongo and Atago-class DDGs.

 

 

I'm talking about more reasonable things, like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasame-class_destroyer_(1958)

 

JS Murasame, which was the lead ship in her class of ASW DDs. 

 

She was built in 1958, but she would sit well probably at tier 6 or 7 due to her lack of armament (3 x 5" guns), and low speed (only 30 knots).

 

Murasame does have a standard amongst late-tier IJN DDS, which is having only two torpedo racks (which I presume are triple launchers).  It appears they were dual launchers.

Ayanami would make a good tier 10 alternative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanami-class_destroyer

 

She has some very IJN-like characteristics, and has 6 guns instead of 3.

 

 

Even if it's just a few ships, in the end, I believe the JMSDF/JDS could spice things up a little bit in the Japanese tree. 

 

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

-Kitakami

[DasBootcamp]

I have to say it. I feel like the only ships built in the 50's that will be added will all be Russian q8^) (looking at you MK).

 

Personally I think that both options are beautiful, but I feel like they are out of place in the time frame. Even though we have a post war ship, it's pretty op and got a little grief for it's year. I mean the MK project wasn't approved until 1947 and didn't see a ship until 53 or 54 iirc. If we go too far into the 50's then there would be reason to look back at much older ships as well. I am more for adding historically significant and unique war era ships such as Enterprise and what not. But you never know.

[Volga1987]

I thought all ships with "all gun artillery" count, so who knows.

[atPrick__]

I think it would make a great addition.

 

I also think she would make for a great gun boat if she wasn't so slow 

[Czevak]

Unlikely, WG likes to stay in a 1950 and before bracket.

[Umikami]

I have problems with both of these ships.

 

In the case of the Ayanami class ships, they only carried 6 3" guns in three triple turrets, plus 4 21" torpedo tubes. 3" guns are useless; Tachibana has them and you can ask anyone who uses them, they aren't really first class. And only four torpedo tubes is a wee bit on the light side, I believe you will have created another Cambelltown, a pretty ship which is useless.

 

As for your other choice, the Murasame class DD's, they have similar issues. First, they only carry 3 5" guns, but in addition to that horrible lack of firepower, THEY CARRY NO TORPEDO TUBES. This puts Murasame in the TARGET ONLY class; who would buy one?

Personally, I would ask you NOT to give up with your ship suggestions; I suggest ships all the time and get my beak bruised on a regular basis. Just do a bit more research; ask yourself "Would I play this ship? And if I did, would I expect to enjoy it?" If your honest answer to both of those questions is "Yes", POST AWAY BABY!!

 

[Umikami]

Unlikely, WG likes to stay in a 1950 and before bracket.

 

Then let them get rid of RADAR!!

[SergeantHop]

 

Then let them get rid of RADAR!!

 

Why would they get rid of radar? Radar was in extensive use in WWII

[Kitakami_]

I have problems with both of these ships.

 

In the case of the Ayanami class ships, they only carried 6 3" guns in three triple turrets, plus 4 21" torpedo tubes. 3" guns are useless; Tachibana has them and you can ask anyone who uses them, they aren't really first class. And only four torpedo tubes is a wee bit on the light side, I believe you will have created another Cambelltown, a pretty ship which is useless.

 

As for your other choice, the Murasame class DD's, they have similar issues. First, they only carry 3 5" guns, but in addition to that horrible lack of firepower, THEY CARRY NO TORPEDO TUBES. This puts Murasame in the TARGET ONLY class; who would buy one?

Personally, I would ask you NOT to give up with your ship suggestions; I suggest ships all the time and get my beak bruised on a regular basis. Just do a bit more research; ask yourself "Would I play this ship? And if I did, would I expect to enjoy it?" If your honest answer to both of those questions is "Yes", POST AWAY BABY!!

 

- I think you mean double turrets.

- They'd be good for AAA?

 

- Murasame carries torp tubes, did you even read the OP and check the wiki link?

"- 2 x ASW torpedo racks"

And USN DDs manage to be gunboats with semi-decent torps.

I expect they would be buffed in at least some way.

[Umikami]

Before you freak out, no.

 

I'm not thinking of stuff like Kongo and Atago-class DDGs.

 

 

I'm talking about more reasonable things, like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasame-class_destroyer_(1958)

 

JS Murasame, which was the lead ship in her class of ASW DDs.

 

She was built in 1958, but she would sit well probably at tier 6 or 7 due to her lack of armament (3 x 5" guns), and low speed (only 30 knots).

 

Murasame does have a standard amongst late-tier IJN DDS, which is having only two torpedo racks (which I presume are triple launchers).  It appears they were dual launchers.

 

Ayanami would make a good tier 10 alternative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanami-class_destroyer

 

She has some very IJN-like characteristics, and has 6 guns instead of 3.

 

 

Even if it's just a few ships, in the end, I believe the JMSDF/JDS could spice things up a little bit in the Japanese tree.

 

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

-Kitakami

 

Those two dual launchers you are talking about are NOT torps, they are ASW torps, which carry a MUCH smaller warhead as they are designed to hit a sub from behind and blow out it's rear main shaft seals, which will kill them every time. THEY ARE NEXT TO USELESS AGAINST LARGER SURFACE COMBATANTS.

 

Plus, Ayanami only carried 3" guns. You are talking about tier 6 or 7, and that ship would be lucky to compete at tier 3. Buy a Tachibana and play with 3" guns and see how much damage you can do, and then imagine them at tier 6 or 7. Sorry, just can't see that.

[Umikami]

 

Why would they get rid of radar? Radar was in extensive use in WWII

 

Because it unbalances the game, of course. No other reason is needed nor solicited.

[Umikami]

- I think you mean double turrets.

- They'd be good for AAA?

 

- Murasame carries torp tubes, did you even read the OP and check the wiki link?

"- 2 x ASW torpedo racks"

And USN DDs manage to be gunboats with semi-decent torps.

I expect they would be buffed in at least some way.

 

you are talking apples and oranges. USN DD's have GREAT guns, in addition to suicide torps, as do Russian DD's, whose guns are even better and whose torps are even worse. A DD with THREE 5" guns and either no torps or ASW torps just will not be competitive. If you don't believe me, look up the difference in warhead size and power for anti-ship and ASW type torps. And as for the Ayanami class, 3" guns will not be competitive at any tier higher than 2.

 

 

[SunTzu71]

 

Because it unbalances the game, of course. No other reason is needed nor solicited.

 

Being able to pop smoke at point blank range in a DD, spam torps and shoot without repercussions, unbalances the game. RADAR counteracts that bullcrap.

[Kitakami_]

 

Because it unbalances the game, of course. No other reason is needed nor solicited.

 

the game kinda has a radar system. it's called the HUD.

 

 

you are talking apples and oranges. USN DD's have GREAT guns, in addition to suicide torps, as do Russian DD's, whose guns are even better and whose torps are even worse. A DD with THREE 5" guns and either no torps or ASW torps just will not be competitive. If you don't believe me, look up the difference in warhead size and power for anti-ship and ASW type torps. And as for the Ayanami class, 3" guns will not be competitive at any tier higher than 2.

 

 

 

tier 2 would be pretty awkward to have something that new, but then again, orlan exists at tier I

 

maybe tier III with preferencial MM

[BladedPheonix]

although they'd be a nice addition, I highly doubt they'll be added.

 

[Xero_Snake]

Not possible. Postwar DDs were somewhat underarmed, especially torps. It's cool to try out the 5"/54 DP guns, yes. But because of her armaments configuration due to shift in naval doctrine, sorry I can't see the chance.

[GhostSwordsman]

Unlikely, WG likes to stay in a 1950 and before bracket.

 

Russian ships notwithstanding.

 

*cough*Mikhail Kutuzov*cough*

[Xero_Snake]

^

Please, their naval doctrine hasn't changed a bit until when Khrushchev came into office for a 'revolutionary' changes.

[SergeantHop]

 

Russian ships notwithstanding.

 

*cough*Mikhail Kutuzov*cough*

 

Des Moines wasn't commissioned until 48, and served well into the 70s. The only thing the Sverdlovs had over the Des Moines was speed. 

[GhostSwordsman]

 

Des Moines wasn't commissioned until 48, and served well into the 70s. The only thing the Sverdlovs had over the Des Moines was speed. 

 

Still built, launched, and served before 1950.

[SergeantHop]

 

Still built, launched, and served before 1950.

 

Exactly, and still a more powerful ship than the Sverdlovs. And, still, only marginally before the 50s.

[Xero_Snake]

Yet barely fought the war, so that doesn't count.

 

Besides, a few postwar French ships are possible. This one, though, that's not how it works.

[GhostSwordsman]

 

Exactly, and still a more powerful ship than the Sverdlovs. And, still, only marginally before the 50s.

 

I'd say that it being more powerful is subjective, especially in game terms. A DM might eat a MK alive with her RoF, but tier for tier, maybe not more powerful.

 

Then again, my only gripe about the MK is the smoke it gets. In the very least, it makes dealing with them, extremely annoying if not outright OP.

[SergeantHop]

Yet barely fought the war, so that doesn't count.

 

Besides, a few postwar French ships are possible. This one, though, that's not how it works.

 

A ship commissioned in 1948 would not have fought in WWII. She served in the Mediterranean and saw no real action other than protecting interests.

[goldeagle1123]

It'd be interesting to see Murasame and/or Ayanami as maybe a tier 7 or tier 8 standalone premium. You should really put this thread in the suggestions section, it'd be nice to see it get some traction.