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I am beside myself right now. I know I've had some posts dealing with some perceived co-op issues, but I'm baffled by how XP is calculated. For most games I record all the ribbons, damage, XP, and silver info from the match into a spreadsheet. After several consecutive rough games in my New Mexico about a day ago, in a following match I got frustrated and made a broadside mistake which left me with only a few hundred HP left very early on, so I opted to ram an approaching enemy DD before he torped me. I sunk him by taking out it's remaining 8300 HP, but that was the extent of my damage caused. I received no other ribbons and didn't even get a hit out of my main guns. The team won, and I got 602 XP. I was pleased and thankful it was that high for a really bad performance. I had no signals mounted, no camo that adds XP, and I was not under a premium subscription. The battle result screen indicated only a couple of XP points were from bonus modifiers from any missions/challenges.  I decided to get off my duff and invest in premium subscription to boost my rewards each game to I can advance through the tech tree faster. The next dozen matches I played in the New Mexico, still with no signals or camo to boost XP, I averaged about 40K damage, almost 30 main battery hits, and just over 1 kill per match. Most the of the games we won, I survived all but 3, and I averaged about 5th place on my team. The average XP I received in these battles was around 1500 per match. I was stoked. 24 hours later, I've played another round of almost as many matches, won almost all of them, survived all but 2, averaged 3rd place on my team- never been lower than 5th in those matches- and I have not gotten more than 798 XP despite averaging almost 80K damage 3+ kills per game, and over 50 main battery hits in this batch of games. My best game so far in recent weeks happened just a short time ago doing 98K damage and sinking 4 ship, yet under premium, I only got 794 XP. My best game the other day in which I only did 61K damage and sank 1 ship under premium status, I received 1959 XP with minimal modifier bonuses from missions and challenges. Other than a slight edge in secondary target hits, my more recent game had the same or more in every category and ribbon, yet yielded 1000 less XP despite all other factors and conditions being the same. My best matches in both sets of battles were all victories, so I can't point to losses as bringing down the XP. Can anyone help me figure this out? I now regret my premium investment if the RNG also controls your rewards. That's crazy talk, I know, but right now I don't see any other explanation. Any thoughts would be helpful.

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Fighting a tier 8 in a tier 6 will earn more xp for the same damage than if you fought a 6 in a 6. Maybe that is part of your discrepancy. 

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It sounds like the usual 'player not realising he's in co-op' issue. Screenshots would help.

 

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I checked your profile and this would seem to be the problem - assuming that you are talking about your New Mexico, the you have a 4 kill record in co-op, not random.

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If I remember right, exp/credit earning is % dmg based. For instance, doing 10k dmg to/and killing a DD would give similar exp to doing 60k dmg to/and killing a BB.

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Fighting a tier 8 in a tier 6 will earn more xp for the same damage than if you fought a 6 in a 6. Maybe that is part of your discrepancy. 

I was in a tier 6 New Mexico for all these matches.  Admittedly, I will have to go backwards and look at this, as I never considered the average tier of the opposition  as being able to effect it. You may be onto something.

It sounds like the usual 'player not realising he's in co-op' issue. Screenshots would help.

It's not a co-op vs. random situation, all of these games are in PvE.  After some confusion in the past, I now know and understand that random pays out far more in rewards.  The forum allows only so much space for uploads and I'm near my max. I'll post a public Dropbox link with two screenshots, one from each batch of games shortly. However, Pulicat's point that average tier of the enemy could make a difference may be the answer.

 

Thank you both for taking the time to help me figure this out.

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Here's the link:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nvma5opv8lc0xov/AABfD6GHBSC0iVMGOFXHi6aYa?dl=0

 

These are just two of the best games I had. One is from the first batch in which I cleaned house on XP (never getting less than 959 XP), and the other is from the 2nd batch in which my averages (which I tracked an calculated each and every category listed on the first battle results page) far exceeded those of my 1st batch matches, yet my XP never went about 798 in these far superior performance games.  Again, keep in mind that I got 602 XP by taking 8300 HP from and sinking a (17100?) HP DD while not under premium, so that's part of the mystery.

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1500xp for a co-op game seems insanely high though, was there a mission reward or something?

 

Obviously this is from premium subscription bonus. Without premium, I was averaging just over 300 XP per game in co-op. My best co-op games without premium, bonus, flags, or modifiers yielded over 1000 XP.  Probably 90% of my games have been played in co-op, so I'm used to seeing my better games run around 800 XP. In the run of the first 12 games the lowest I got was 959 XP, despite having lower averages compared to my last 11 games, which I ranged between a mere(I think 500 or so) and 798 XP. It just would seem statistically impossible I could have that long a string of games and not have rewards in the same neighborhood.  That's why I'm perplexed.

I will have to sit down and take a closer look at the average tier of enemy fleets I fought in the two batches. Right now that is the only possible solution I can see. Another thing I need to look at, though, is that tonight there have been more humans on my team than bots. The other night I often had 5 or 6 bots on my team. I wonder if the more bots you are burdened with on your team, the greater the rewards are. I mainly take screenshots of only my best battles, but I have a few from each batch that include the page listing the details of enemy fleet lineups.

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You had the battleships and battleship hunter missions completed - battleship hunter gave 500 extra xp.

Hmmm, Good call. I didn't see that listed in the modifier details of that battle, but you are right that BB hunter does give you extra XP.  That explains 500 of the 1956, but now we still have 1456 vs. 794.  As I've been digging through my screenshots, I found six- 3 from my first batch and 3 from my 2nd batches- that list the player lineup. In the first batch I never had less than 5 bot teammates. In the 2nd batch, I've never had more than 3 bot teammates. I wonder if a combination of this plus the average tier of enemy ships fought makes a difference. I know there's got to be an answer out there. I'm just frustrated because I don't know what to bank on. I have a great game and get crap HP, and then have a poor game and get XP windfall. I just want to know what to do to consistently maximize my rewards.  In researching, I found a co-op match in my New Mexico from awhile ago which I did 125k damage and got five kills. That generated over 2000 XP while I didn't have a premium subscription.

 

Ok, update. I admittedly am closer but still not completely there. In my first 12 matches I sunk 15 ships, so just over one per game was my average. My spreadsheet tracks that info, but I don't record the exact ship type sunk. Going through my current session, in 11 games I've sunk 24 ships, but all or most must not have been battleships or my XP would have bumped up more.  The majority of ships I sunk in the first 12 matches must have been BBs, accounting for quite a few "Battleships!" 500 XP mission bonuses.   Now that begs the question though- if my average damage is up, and the ships I sink are cruisers, destroyers, and CVs, doesn't that suggest I took a greater percentage of HP from the ships I sunk, which should then lead to more XP? We're getting closer. Still going to dig through what I have to see if there is a correlation between average tier of fleets fought and XP reward, as well as if % of bot teammates can affect the payout.  Thanks to all helping me figure this out. 

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It sounds like the usual 'player not realising he's in co-op' issue. Screenshots would help.

 

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I checked your profile and this would seem to be the problem - assuming that you are talking about your New Mexico, the you have a 4 kill record in co-op, not random.

I actually had to do a double take myself at first. LOL.  I checked it and posted a screenshot in the same dropbox link I have above of my stats. It does show that in co-op I definitely scored 5 kills, which I've actually done a bunch of times. According to the same site it's actually in random that my max is 4 kills. Curiously, the highest XP amount listed there for co-op is wrong, as I've gotten over 2000 once if not a few rare times. Even some of that was from BB mission bonuses, it was not earned during a premium period and had no camo nor signal flag multiplier.  I haven't played in a random for weeks, so there is no issue of confusion between random and co-op results. 

***update*** I now see on the tab that has the breakdown of stats it says my highest was 4 kills purely by main battery fire, so I'd guess in my 5 kill games my secondaries may have scored one the kills.

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I am beside myself right now. I know I've had some posts dealing with some perceived co-op issues, but I'm baffled by how XP is calculated. For most games I record all the ribbons, damage, XP, and silver info from the match into a spreadsheet. After several consecutive rough games in my New Mexico about a day ago, in a following match I got frustrated and made a broadside mistake which left me with only a few hundred HP left very early on, so I opted to ram an approaching enemy DD before he torped me. I sunk him by taking out it's remaining 8300 HP, but that was the extent of my damage caused. I received no other ribbons and didn't even get a hit out of my main guns. The team won, and I got 602 XP. I was pleased and thankful it was that high for a really bad performance. I had no signals mounted, no camo that adds XP, and I was not under a premium subscription. The battle result screen indicated only a couple of XP points were from bonus modifiers from any missions/challenges.  I decided to get off my duff and invest in premium subscription to boost my rewards each game to I can advance through the tech tree faster. The next dozen matches I played in the New Mexico, still with no signals or camo to boost XP, I averaged about 40K damage, almost 30 main battery hits, and just over 1 kill per match. Most the of the games we won, I survived all but 3, and I averaged about 5th place on my team. The average XP I received in these battles was around 1500 per match. I was stoked. 24 hours later, I've played another round of almost as many matches, won almost all of them, survived all but 2, averaged 3rd place on my team- never been lower than 5th in those matches- and I have not gotten more than 798 XP despite averaging almost 80K damage 3+ kills per game, and over 50 main battery hits in this batch of games. My best game so far in recent weeks happened just a short time ago doing 98K damage and sinking 4 ship, yet under premium, I only got 794 XP. My best game the other day in which I only did 61K damage and sank 1 ship under premium status, I received 1959 XP with minimal modifier bonuses from missions and challenges. Other than a slight edge in secondary target hits, my more recent game had the same or more in every category and ribbon, yet yielded 1000 less XP despite all other factors and conditions being the same. My best matches in both sets of battles were all victories, so I can't point to losses as bringing down the XP. Can anyone help me figure this out? I now regret my premium investment if the RNG also controls your rewards. That's crazy talk, I know, but right now I don't see any other explanation. Any thoughts would be helpful.

 

Spotting ships gets you XP, and you also get damage if the ship you're spotting takes damage from allies. This means that it's impossible to calculate the XP you're going to get accurately. Also, there's different XP for shooting at ships of different tiers, and you get extra XP for shooting at a ship inside a cap. XP is not inconsistent, it's just kinda hard to tell how it's calculated. 

Also, XP for damage is calculated for percentage of ship health. So if you do 10k damage to a destroyer, you get more damage than if you do 10k damage to a battleship. 

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Spotting ships gets you XP, and you also get damage if the ship you're spotting takes damage from allies. This means that it's impossible to calculate the XP you're going to get accurately. Also, there's different XP for shooting at ships of different tiers, and you get extra XP for shooting at a ship inside a cap. XP is not inconsistent, it's just kinda hard to tell how it's calculated. 

Also, XP for damage is calculated for percentage of ship health. So if you do 10k damage to a destroyer, you get more damage than if you do 10k damage to a battleship. 

 

Ahhhh, I see. I didn't know that mere spotting provided more XP. I know that the answer has to be out there, but it's driving me nuts that in general I had two groups of consecutive games with such different results, with my second set of matches drastically better than the first in terms of battle results screen stats but yielding a lot less XP. I don't know how they would quantify this if it affects scoring, but in my second batch of games my teamwork (as evidenced by my far better results) was better. I am guessing there must be lesser known factors that are not necessarily visible in the stats. I hope to be able to learn what they are so as to maximize my rewards- as would anyone.  Thank you for that info.
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Best thing to do is not worry about it. Doing damage, capping, etc and not getting sunk = XP There is no need for concern about how it adds up

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