More Scharnhorst reviews from Chinese player

[Suzunami]

Source: http://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=9581405&_ff=441

This one is from a player who bought the ship, not a super-tester.

 

This review appears more impartial, as this player has no reason to talk other people into buying the ship.

 

He did these test:

Scharnhorst against Nagato:

Scharnhorst is better at close range even without the torpedoes due to high ROF, but at mid and long distance Nagato is better due to more powerful guns. He was able citadeled the Nagato from bow at 5km, but at longer distance the 11 inch gun doesn't do a lot with AP against another tier 7 BB.

 

Scharnhorst against North Carolina:

North Carolina citadeled Scharnhorst once at 26km,  much luck needed of course. However, Scharnhorst couldn't use AP effectively against bow-on North Carolina. North Carolina have advantage at all distances and can even disable/destroy Scharnhorst guns from front. Scharnhorst's only chance is to get very close and use the torpedoes.

 

Scharnhorst against Iowa:

Iowa has even bigger advantage against Scharnhorst than North Carolina.

 

Scharnhorst against Montana:

Montana has more guns than Iowa, so Scharnhorst has little chance.

 

Scharnhorst again Yamato.

Like previous reviews, Yamato still couldn't citadel Scharnhorst, its damage to Scharnhorst is similar to those Nagato 410mm guns. Scharnhorst even killed Yamato twice in the test.

 

Impression on HE shells:

The reviewer feels the fire chance is similar to IJN cruisers for a single salvo, better than the other 3 nation's cruisers. But because of lower ROF, IJN and Russian cruisers are better at lighting fires.

 

Against cruisers:

The reviewer feels Scharnhorst AP performance is inconsistent against cruisers, much like German cruiser APs. He feels high tier cruisers are evenly matched with Scharnhorst.

 

AA performance:

Against tier 7 CVs(which stack planes and attack), Shcarnhorst (with manual AA captain skill)is not afraid of Hiryu. But against Ranger(013) and Saipan(220), Scharnhorst can only shot down 1-2 planes before they drop torpedo/bombs. 

 

Against torpedo:

Scharnhorst's torpedo belt reduces 24% torpedo damage which is worst among tier 7 BBs, plus Scharnhorst doesn't have lots of HP like Nagato.

 

Overall:

Scharnhorst is OK against tier 7 BBs (weaker at long distance, stronger at close distance). It's weak against higher tier BBs (could take lots of damage at all distances even though very difficult to citadel, while its guns are very weak against higher tier BBs' armor). It doesn't feel overly powerful against cruisers because of inconsistent German AP damage. It could do well if your team is at advantage in the game using you high ROF. But if your team is behind, it doesn't provide the burst power that could turn the game around. AA is good against IJN planes, but not enough against USN planes.

 

 

 

[fredbob99705]

Just wondering because I haven't heard officially, has WG okayed reviews for the Scharnhorst yet? I thought it was still under NDA. 

 

Anyways can't say this review surprised me, the 11 in guns made it seem obvious that you have to play close but I was impressed by the 26 KM citadel 

[TTK_Aegis]

Wait, Yamato performed worse against it than Iowa? That seems... off. 

[SnowDriftTurtle]

It's China.  They do what they want when it comes to WG.

[iHaveNoIntelligence]

Just wondering because I haven't heard officially, has WG okayed reviews for the Scharnhorst yet? I thought it was still under NDA. 

 

Anyways can't say this review surprised me, the 11 in guns made it seem obvious that you have to play close but I was impressed by the 26 KM citadel 

 

That's chinese... they do whatever they want

[jabberwalkie09]

Impression on HE shells:

The reviewer feels the fire chance is similar to IJN cruisers for a single salvo, better than the other 3 nation's cruisers. But because of lower ROF, IJN and Russian cruisers are better at lighting fires.

 

Against cruisers:

The reviewer feels Scharnhorst AP performance is inconsistent against cruisers, much like German cruiser APs. He feels high tier cruisers are evenly matched with Scharnhorst.

Honestly the Scharnhorst comes across as a cruiser hunter to me, and I'm fine with that. I suspect that when the ship is released it will be a replay of the tirp-pocalypse again, so it may be a great time to play the BB trees and score some experience against everyone in their Scharnhorst.

 

I'll still buy the ship though.

[Suzunami]

Just wondering because I haven't heard officially, has WG okayed reviews for the Scharnhorst yet? I thought it was still under NDA. 

 

Anyways can't say this review surprised me, the 11 in guns made it seem obvious that you have to play close but I was impressed by the 26 KM citadel 

 

 

Scharnhorst is already being sold in China.

[MorbidGamer]

That's why I'm on the fence about this ship... It's going to get decimated when it gets into 8-9 battles with those puny guns.

[Sakuzhi]

Curious to the reason why it was reviewed against Ships it will not seee...

[YamatoA150]

That's why I'm on the fence about this ship... It's going to get decimated when it gets into 8-9 battles with those puny guns.

 

Then focus on cruisers and destroyers instead at those tiers.

 

If anything, her armor at least allows her to push with more bravado than regular cruisers at those tiers.  The only thing she's missing is Hydro-Acoustic so she can also screen for DDs in a pinch (and she'd likely be a target of one anyway given her lower HP pool).

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

Gotta say I am enjoying the all speculation on the forum. 

 

[MorbidGamer]

 

Then focus on cruisers and destroyers instead at those tiers.

 

If anything, her armor at least allows her to push with more bravado than regular cruisers at those tiers.  The only thing she's missing is Hydro-Acoustic so she can also screen for DDs in a pinch (and she'd likely be a target of one anyway given her lower HP pool).

 

Did you read then ending? "It doesn't feel overly powerful against cruisers because of inconsistent German AP damage."

[CapnCappy]

I've played against the T3 BB Konig Albert? and it seems like a born seal clubber with it's laser beam guns.

 

I managed to burn it to death but what a great looking ship.

 

Too bad about the Scharnhorst. Sounds like an ItchyZuchini.

[jabberwalkie09]

Curious to the reason why it was reviewed against Ships it will not seee...

 

Eh, if I'm remembering correctly the ship will still see tier's 8 and 9. So it should see the the Amagi, Izumo, NC, and Iowa on the top end for BB's. Though the RoF for the Scharnhorst is higher than those of the same tier, and those at 8 and 9. I don't consider that a small thing considering that this may be the first BB that BB captains will probably have to switch between AP and HE with given the size of the guns. Players that drive cruisers could probably easily slip into the Scharnhorst with more ease than going back and forth between a cruiser and the Tirpitz.

 

I agree testing it against the Montana and Yamato seems rather pointless.

[Suzunami]

Curious to the reason why it was reviewed against Ships it will not seee...

 

Because people heard it has very good armor, they want to see if the most powerful guns in game can demolish it.

[Captain_Doll]

Thanks for the translation!

 

Nothing in this review is a surprise to me. I don't expect Scharnhorst to do AP damage to a bow on NC or Iowa. Heck, I can't do great AP damage to NC or Iowa in my Tirpitz. Scharnhorst will have to charge NC or Iowa and fire torps. I think Scharnhorst will do fine against the Colorado and Nagato. Just try to avoid a snipping contest at 15 km plus.

 

The "inconsistent" AP damage to cruisers seems odd. Doesn't every BB have that issue due to over penetrations?

[Suzunami]

The "inconsistent" AP damage to cruisers seems odd. Doesn't every BB have that issue due to over penetrations?

Most of the Chinese streamers are playing Scharnhorst now. It looks like most often you deal 3-4k damage to a cruiser per volley, lots of time you only do 1 or 2 870 damage hits, and the max damage I saw in one volley is 23k damage.

 

BBs with 16in or bigger guns can citadel a high tier cruiser at any angle, this one has to wait for the perfect angle.

[YamatoA150]

Did you read then ending? "It doesn't feel overly powerful against cruisers because of inconsistent German AP damage."

 

And that's one reviewer's opinion of the ship.  We got the same opinions for Tirpitz prior to its release up until now, and people still swear by its AP or against its AP.  Same goes for even the regular German cruisers.  Therefore, it's not an opinion to fully take without salt.  Moreso since Scharn is still expected to change and shift around some up to and even after release.

 

Only after release and final changes made can one say with certainty whether or not the AP damage sucks.

[GUTB]

I find the concept that an NC completely dominates it but the Yamato does less to it difficult to swallow, considering the NC is virtually incapable of beating a Yamato. But in any case these ships shouldn't meet in the first place.

 

I find it very interesting that the reviewer found it basically on par with high tier cruisers. As the Scharnost is a cruiser it makes sense it would be competitive with other people cruisers -- but it's interesting that WG is pretending that it's a BB, but still gave it the performance of a cruiser.

 

So it seems more and mode like I was 100% correct about this ship -- a severely under-gunned premium BB that will end up at the bottom of the food chain.

[SandraSmiles]

Curious to the reason why it was reviewed against Ships it will not seee...

Thank You!

 

Then focus on cruisers and destroyers instead at those tiers.

 

If anything, her armor at least allows her to push with more bravado than regular cruisers at those tiers.  The only thing she's missing is Hydro-Acoustic so she can also screen for DDs in a pinch (and she'd likely be a target of one anyway given her lower HP pool).

Precisely!

 

Did you read then ending? "It doesn't feel overly powerful against cruisers because of inconsistent German AP damage."

The player may have just set it up wrong too....upgrades/skillsets

But I'm betting this boat will be the Cruiser destroyer second to none...burn them to the ground...and lick the ashes w/its AP...

I'm in....check has been cut!

[scruffycavetroll]

anyone know what it'll cost? 

 

Not sure if I want to get it if it's just a dumbed down tirpitz that can't get into T10, but can see t9......

[Suzunami]

 

And that's one reviewer's opinion of the ship.  We got the same opinions for Tirpitz prior to its release up until now, and people still swear by its AP or against its AP.  Same goes for even the regular German cruisers.  Therefore, it's not an opinion to fully take without salt.  Moreso since Scharn is still expected to change and shift around some up to and even after release.

 

Only after release and final changes made can one say with certainty whether or not the AP damage sucks.

 

I think one big issue is it can't citadel a high tier cruiser at any angle like using other high tier BBs, you have to get to a good position first. As for the low AP damage, it's more than just one person's opinion: there are lots of Chinese streamer playing Scharnhorst now, including some very good BB players, they are all surprised when number 870 popped up instead of the big numbers they expected.

[scruffycavetroll]

 

I think one big issue is it can't citadel a high tier cruiser at any angle like using other high tier BBs, you have to get to a good position first. As for the low AP damage, it's more than just one person's opinion: there are lots of Chinese streamer playing Scharnhorst now, including some very good BB players, they are all surprised when number 870 popped up instead of the big numbers they expected.

 

sounds like over-penning and they aren't switching to HE......are they very good? really?

[Suzunami]

 

sounds like over-penning and they aren't switching to HE......are they very good? really?

 

One of the streamer averages 4.7 kills/game in Yamato, a 4 kill/160k damage game in Yamato is meh to him. He is very very good with aiming. Imagine his embarrassment when hundreds of viewers on his stream saw he did 870 damage in a volley on a broadsided Myoko at 16km.

[SlamF1re]

anyone know what it'll cost? 

 

Not sure if I want to get it if it's just a dumbed down tirpitz that can't get into T10, but can see t9......

 

I'm assuming it will fall somewhere between $40 and $45.