The Arizona nerf is why Imperator Nikolai and Gremmy won't be nerfed.

[TenguBlade]

Ok I'm and idiot What the hell is a sigma?

Determines how probable tighter dispersion patterns are within the dispersion ellipse.

[YamatoA150]

Arizona getting a nerf while IN1 and Grem don't is partially due to the fact they can't just forever Not-Sell Arizona ever again, or make her a reward ship only like they plan to for Gremy and on rare occasions, ImpNik1.

 

Of course, this isn't assuming Arizona already had a 1.8 sigma in the 5.7 and 5.8 live release as opposed to a 2.0 sigma in the 5.7 and 5.8 test, as some others have speculated.

 

At any rate, they do rebalance Premiums; if indirectly.  See the BFT/AFT changes and all the Premiums that were affected by it, and ones that got to evade it due to preemptive buffing before release (MK) whereas all others post-release and post-change did not (Yubari, Murmansk, etc).

[HMCS_Devilfish]

Hey, the fault is on them for not testing long enough. I have over $1,500 rapped up in WG... I quit tanks and one of the reasons was they were nerfing my premiums. They start that with ships then I'm out of here. I'll charge back too... Because I wont care if my account is banned or not.

 

When you pay for something that is what you should get at the minimum.

Hate to tell yea this but several updates ago they nerfed my Premium ship Murmansk and its 152mm guns ,and it wasnt just the 20% range you lost with the AFT Captain skill, ultimety it came down to moduals and a choice , shell spread,gun accuracy, or turret rotation speed .. You need to choose which 2 you want , now I was quite happy  with the MM matchup against Vl and Vll cruisers before the nerf with my 18 point Captain but not after, that little edge I had to effectivly compete in higher tiers was gone, to say I was pissed may be an understatement and was warned for my red text rant by the moderator I stopped spending money here and my playing was cut by 3/4 only now am I getting back into it but sadly dont play the Murmansk much anymore

[AVR_Project]

After failing miserably with it on Monday - feeling like I bought an under-gunned Colorado.....

Today, My shells formed beautiful perfect groups that could accurately target citadels, as opposed to circular rings around targeted ships on Monday.

Sank a Haruna, Fuso, Karl, and a New Mexico.  Of course, I rammed the Fuso that was stuck.

Are you sure you don't have that 'Sigma' measurement backwards since I couldn't hit the broad-side of a Kongo on Monday.

[MorbidGamer]

Hate to tell yea this but several updates ago they nerfed my Premium ship Murmansk and its 152mm guns ,and it wasnt just the 20% range you lost with the AFT Captain skill, ultimety it came down to moduals and a choice , shell spread,gun accuracy, or turret rotation speed .. You need to choose which 2 you want , now I was quite happy  with the MM matchup against Vl and Vll cruisers before the nerf, but not after, that little edge I had to effectivly compete in higher tiers was gone, to say I was pissed may be an understatement and was warned for my red text rant by the moderator I stopped spending money here and my playing was cut by 3/4 only now am I getting back into it but sadly dont play the Murmansk much anymore

 

Captain skills does not equal ship. I never liked the Murmansk it just sits in my port to remind me not to waste any more money on lower then Tier 6 cruisers.

[muroph]

are the values datamined from the clients?

if yes then it doesn't really prove anything, since only server-side things actually matter for ship performance.

i mean, remember the rudder shift changes from a while ago? huge shitstorm over the text changes in the client, when in fact everything server-side remained the same, and no ships were affected at all.

 

gonna remain neutral until we get official confirmation or more relevant data.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

 

Captain skills does not equal ship. I never liked the Murmansk it just sits in my port to remind me not to waste any more money on lower then Tier 6 cruisers.

Captain skills unlock the ships capabilitys 

a no point Captain at tier V in a Murmansk is just that... an 18 point Captain at V in a Murmansk is a dominnt terror depending on what Captain skills you use of course 

If your into working up a nations ships , no matter what nation and have a good point Captain in a Murmansk the ship will get you the XP and points needed to do that ... Its really a bigtime moneymaker

[BlazerSparta]

And this is why premium ships is a stupid idea: you can't balance them.

[centarina]

 

Captain skills does not equal ship. I never liked the Murmansk it just sits in my port to remind me not to waste any more money on lower then Tier 6 cruisers.

 

meh, I am still kicking butt in murmansk.   extra range didn't matter much to me.     BFT/EM made bit more of difference, but even then, I am doing better than ever with it.  been using it to train my captains and not I have 15 pointers again,but with VFM,  I don't need it higher than 15.  (aft/de combo on my 2 DDs)

[MorbidGamer]

And this is why premium ships is a stupid idea: you can't balance them.

 

Sure you can, get better testers or more of them... Have the ships out longer on the public server to collect data. I really don't know why they just don't let everyone play an upcoming ship for a week on public to test it out.

[SunTzu71]

 

*Yawn*

What's that say right there?

6-9-2011

Know the difference between forum and actual accounts.

 

 

Lol... Your account is private. I can't even see your account info. *YAWN*

 

 

Know that I can only post the info that I can actually see. Besides, with stats that good, why even hide them?

[Macabe]

 

"Member since: 08-09-2012"

 

That's not five years. 

 

Secondly, how does pointing out a fact make me look silly? I'd like to know.

 

Oh wait, it's 2016, and pointing out facts is politically incorrect.

I've been around for 5 years since 2011. People with a "Member since: 08-09-2012" have been around since prior to that date. That date is just when this specific forum was created and copied from the WoT database. If you want true member since numbers, you have to look at the WoT site. For example, my actual "member since" date is Apr 27 2011.

[Stratego89]

 

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There ya go. Wargaming has the legal right to do whatever it wants with premium content.

 

And chargebacks can be considered fraud depending on the circumstances, you know?

 

I wish I could give you a cookie. A fresh baked, chocolate chunk cookie. You deserve it.

 

 

@OP. Can't tell if sarcastic post mocking whiners or just another idiot. You should put /s in there somewhere if it's the former.

[Taichunger]

 

Look at Taichunger, the Voice of Reason. ;)  Actually a very interesting point.  Until today's update, the Arizona data was for the version that was being tested, right?  But if they decided from that testing that rolling back her sigma was necessary, it would not have been made live until today, unless they did an emergency patch.  Which, given the current crapstorm, probably should have been done.  So let's say for argument that the datamining is correct, and WG had decided it needed to go with 1.8 sigma for Arizona, but they decided to sell her a couple of days early, thinking "no one will notice in a day or two..."  Pretty colossal PR blunder, given how hard they've worked of late to improve their reputation.

 

Is it forgivable?  Well, for me, sure.  I frankly don't care about her sigma value.  I haven't bought Arizona yet, and I'm not certain I will, but it has nothing to do with her sigma.  If anything, this hue and cry only makes me want to buy it more than before.  But I'm odd like that.

 

I am always reasonable, and evidence-based. That's why I've been published in the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal, and The National Interest, and similar.  The sigma value doesn't matter if the alleged nerf took place before it was released. Knowing how the internet works, it wouldn't surprise me if this is screwup or even a deliberate lie. Your scenario would not surprise me either... 

 

...but surely WG must know that people would data mine that....

 

[SunTzu71]

I've been around for 5 years since 2011. People with a "Member since: 08-09-2012" have been around since prior to that date. That date is just when this specific forum was created and copied from the WoT database. If you want true member since numbers, you have to look at the WoT site. For example, my actual "member since" date is Apr 27 2011.

 

Appreciate the clarification! 

[HMCS_Devilfish]

And this is why premium ships is a stupid idea: you can't balance them.

Primeum is just a fully upgraded ship for the most part, has strengths and weakness that you have to play to just like one you reserched an used points to get, for me I like the fact that you can see what your getting and most of the time It works, Ive not seen an imbalance with premium ships dominating the Seas but rather some good players not showing there broadsides to much and usually not in a premium ship

[ColdCast253]

People get so upset about this because we have to rely on Wargaming to make good, fair decisions and to be reasonably transparent and forthright about how they balance products we pay money for. Under U.S. law anyway, customers have absolutely no right whatsoever in this case to a refund based upon changes to a product of which they had no knowledge that may have altered their decision to purchase it. Any compensation is done entirely at the good will of the seller, typically with a significant amount of arm-twisting in the form of public pressure. 

 

When you don't have effective laws that protect consumers from fraud, public outrage is one of the only things that will (sometimes) work. I think people are rightly concerned about fraud, given the not entirely spotless reputation of Wargaming and the fact that they legally, don't have to give you a damn thing.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

You raise a good point , WOWs makes there Nerffing desisions on in game data, every shot fired every hit countrd by every ship in every game unfortunately the only recourse we have if youve been nerfed is a slowdown in game playing , that data will also show up there stats hopefully they will see the error of nerfing,its such a big negative and figure out a different posetive fix

[SwirvinBirds]

Primeum is just a fully upgraded ship for the most part, has strengths and weakness that you have to play to just like one you reserched an used points to get, for me I like the fact that you can see what your getting and most of the time It works, Ive not seen an imbalance with premium ships dominating the Seas but rather some good players not showing there broadsides to much and usually not in a premium ship

 

is that why the top 7 most winning ships in game are all premiums?

[centarina]

you do have to account for having high specc'd captain in premium   not to mention retraining and upgrading the ship.  (my stats always are not as good in first 20 matches)   comparisons are rarely equal because of this.  

[SwirvinBirds]

you do have to account for having high specc'd captain in premium   not to mention retraining and upgrading the ship.  (my stats always are not as good in first 20 matches)   comparisons are rarely equal because of this.  

 

oh I understand. I also understand that not every premium ship is a top of the win rate chart ship even when the same skilled captains are used.

[HMCS_Devilfish]

 

is that why the top 7 most winning ships in game are all premiums?

You may be right but that's not been my experience with buying premium ships ,I love the Murmansk, played well over 2000 games in just that ship alone because its so much fun to play,must be played right as its got a glass hull but its takes some time to unlock the ship and then more to learn to play it to your style and set up up with the Captain skills that work for you,the ship is no better or know worse than many others and in fact is usually the underdog in MM

 

if you work a nations ships your constantly moving on to the next one and you never spend as much time in it as maybe you should to play it well, Ive done that and do not like that way of playing,

Jjust bought the premium ship Vlll Mikhail Kutuzof  ,what a fun ship reminds me a little of the Murmansk with its rapid firing guns and good rudder shift and because is got a citadel the size of road Island or at least it feels that way sometimes it must be played similar to a Murmansk ..Lucky me... anyway this ship is anything but dominant in MM and its HE is Mwaa compared to other Cruisers in its Tier  but give me a thousand games under my belt and will do better ,...

What Im saying is its not the premium ship but the Captains who sail em... its finding a ship you like  and learning to play it well ....plus yea get free Camo for life 

[Cpt_Kill_Jack]

This Redditor is apparently reputable.

 

The data he went against is non valid because it was on a test server that is there for the sould purpose of testing. Things on that server change and hold no water to release. Nothing on that server can not be changed before its released. Thats why data mining is not a good thing.

[centarina]

You may be right but that's not been my experience with buying premium ships ,I love the Murmansk, played well over 2000 games in just that ship alone because its so much fun to play,must be played right as its got a glass hull but its takes some time to unlock the ship and then more to learn to play it to your style and set up up with the Captain skills that work for you,the ship is no better or know worse than many others and in fact is usually the underdog in MM

 

if you work a nations ships your constantly moving on to the next one and you never spend as much time in it as maybe you should to play it well, Ive done that and do not like that way of playing,

Jjust bought the premium ship Vlll Mikhail Kutuzof  ,what a fun ship reminds me a little of the Murmansk with its rapid firing guns and good rudder shift and because is got a citadel the size of road Island or at least it feels that way sometimes it must be played similar to a Murmansk ..Lucky me... anyway this ship is anything but dominant in MM and its HE is Mwaa compared to other Cruisers in its Tier  but give me a thousand games under my belt and will do better ,...

What Im saying is its not the premium ship but the Captains who sail em... its finding a ship you like  and learning to play it well ....plus yea get free Camo for life 

 

I have 2 of the top ships,  murmansk and ansha.   both are lot of fun and well performing for me as well.    funny thing about anshan.   my mutsuki stat is about same. murmansk is just fun  ship and I do well with it no matter what captain I use.  I do prefer that they have DE though.   

 

but then, I seem to do well with ishizuchi, which is considred one of the bad premium.   same with emden and aurora. 

[LuckyStarFan]

Then they ought to sell Nik and Grem again.  Double standards are really bad policy.  No matter how rare Nik/Grem are I still run into divisions of them weekly and they are quite overpowered in their tiers.

 

The Type 59 in WoT demonstrates this problem pretty well.  They sold it and quickly realized it was just too good.  So they stopped selling it and eventually, far too late, they nerfed it.  It maintained this mystique of brokenness for most/all of its existence and generally limited how good future premiums could be for an incredibly long time.

 

 

Either freely balance(nerf) premiums or sell them without restriction.  This kind of inconsistent behavior makes a lot of potential customers think twice about buying a product that will be nerfed days later.

 

Whether Arizona was nerfed on PTR or not, the supertesters who made writeups of it emphasized its excellent sigma value.  It's a bait and switch even if you cling to this pitiful excuse of it having been nerfed a week ago which I still do not accept.