522 [IN3PT] El_Judarino Beta Testers 1,703 posts 6,531 battles Report post #101 Posted July 7, 2016 Then post the change that you see in the game files. Which file exactly are you talking about and how do you know if it's baked into the current version? LOL. This is all just a bunch of rumor on reddit LOL. While I'm not a data miner, what you ask actually cannot be done on the forums. Posting data mined info on the forums is a ban-able offense. It's why I even bother with Reddit in the first place. They get patch notes before we do, they get the info such as sigma values and for a while, the CM we had before Niko was arguably more present on the WoWs subreddit than the forums. The WoWs subreddit is actually a pretty decent place to the credit of their moderators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,112 [ARR0W] Pugilistic Members 6,630 posts 35,659 battles Report post #102 Posted July 7, 2016 Hi folks, Just wanted to step in here and clarify: There was no stealth nerf to USS Arizona in 0.5.8. We prefer avoid re-balancing premium ships after release at all costs and we will be clear with you if we decide its absolutely necessary to change a premium ship that was already available for sale. In this case there was no change to the sigma values for USS Arizona that we are aware of. In the off chance something like this slipped in accidentally, I will verify with the balance team that this change did not actually occur. I certainly hope this didnt slip in accidentally. The sigma was the primary reason I bought this, I didnt need another US BB trainer since I bought Texas when it came out. Thanks for following up on this and please let us know what AZ sigma is at present. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,340 [NDA] Jinxed_Katajainen Alpha Tester 6,193 posts 4,955 battles Report post #103 Posted July 7, 2016 Its possible that the 0.5.7 version of the Arizona had the 1.8 sigma just like the 0.5.8 live server does currently. That's what I'd like to know. If Arizona was released to 5.7 live with 1.8, 5.8 PT could have had been buffed to 2.0 then reverted back to 1.8 on 5.8 live.. which would mean no change. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
498 [JOLLY] Bl4ckBaron Alpha Tester 579 posts 6,287 battles Report post #104 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) Really, buddy? You're going to play that card? What does a piece of software designed nearly 100 years after the real ship was launched have anything to do with the real ship, other than being a rough representation of it? WG release of the Arizona Memorial Flag with the most expensive bundle just shows how important the ship is for the American people. Edited July 7, 2016 by Bl4ckBaron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
138 Menemy Beta Testers 1,023 posts 2,801 battles Report post #105 Posted July 7, 2016 WG release of the Arizona Memorial Flag with the most expensive bundle just shows how important the ship is for the American people. Tbf that just shows they know selling historical ships with tragic ending of a proud navy of a proud country with mostly very patriotic people during a national holiday which celebrates stuffing the british, makes a lot of money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
320 SandraSmiles Members 3,014 posts Report post #106 Posted July 7, 2016 Hi folks, Just wanted to step in here and clarify: There was no stealth nerf to USS Arizona in 0.5.8. We prefer avoid re-balancing premium ships after release at all costs and we will be clear with you if we decide its absolutely necessary to change a premium ship that was already available for sale. In this case there was no change to the sigma values for USS Arizona that we are aware of. In the off chance something like this slipped in accidentally, I will verify with the balance team that this change did not actually occur. And here is the cover- ...there was no change to the sigma values for USS Arizona that we are aware of.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,112 [ARR0W] Pugilistic Members 6,630 posts 35,659 battles Report post #107 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) You know that's called fraud right? You can't just buy something and then expect to get a free refund just because you no longer like it. That may be what you call it, but its in most credit card issuers policy, and is simple to do- I have done it once to a retailer who refused to give a refund on an item. One phone call to my credit card company and they told me I was credited for the purchase. Walked back inside with it and told the manager what I had done, and that I already had my money back. He knew he'd been had at this point, because he accepted it back without a further word. Granted, the vendor doesnt ever have to accept your business thereafter. Edited July 7, 2016 by Pugilistic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
498 [JOLLY] Bl4ckBaron Alpha Tester 579 posts 6,287 battles Report post #108 Posted July 7, 2016 Tbf that just shows they know selling historical ships with tragic ending of a proud navy of a proud country with mostly very patriotic people during a national holiday which celebrates stuffing the british, makes a lot of money. And when WG does what you described they should be careful with any stealth nerfs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,798 [WOLF2] HazardDrake Beta Testers 6,759 posts 16,729 battles Report post #109 Posted July 7, 2016 Like a Damage control response from a Wargaming employee means anything. This is straight up Soviet tier tactics...Deny...Deny...Deny and while denying someone else buries the proof. It doesnt matter what wargaming says at this point...the ship's sigma value will not change. They will say it is changed...but in reality it wont be. Seriously dude, will nothing please you? Wargaming isn't smuggling missles into Cuba. The NA staffer told us what THEY know, that there was no nerf, AND they are going to pose the question to the people higher up and get back to us on it. At my job I do that every day when customers ask me questions that I am not qualified to answer. If they were doing things Soviet style they would ban anyone who brings up the matter and delete threads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
320 SandraSmiles Members 3,014 posts Report post #110 Posted July 7, 2016 Why is the rage still going strong? An actual dev came onto the forums to say that no nerf was supposed to be made and that he is checking back with the balancing team. You're new to the political arena! Grab a used political science book from the book store...keep it on your nightstand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 endermx Members 53 posts 3,739 battles Report post #111 Posted July 7, 2016 You're new to the political arena! Grab a used political science book from the book store...keep it on your nightstand. No he just doesn't believe everything he reads on reddit like you do lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
320 SandraSmiles Members 3,014 posts Report post #112 Posted July 7, 2016 No he just doesn't believe everything he reads on reddit like you do lol. I've never been to reddit....never will. Advice given to me some time back....never bother w/Reddit. Grab yourself a ps book as well....stay on the ball too, while you're at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,596 [-KIA-] TenguBlade Banned 9,382 posts 30,908 battles Report post #113 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) I'm just waiting for this thread to get locked because of toxicity and immediately a dozen other threads proclaim it's confirmation of the nerf because WG censored the original thread that brought this up. There's literally nothing that whining about this will do until Q gets back with an answer tomorrow. Move on with your life, surely you...oh wait... Edited July 7, 2016 by TenguBlade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,798 [WOLF2] HazardDrake Beta Testers 6,759 posts 16,729 battles Report post #114 Posted July 7, 2016 And here is the cover- ...there was no change to the sigma values for USS Arizona that we are aware of.... Yea, so? I say that all the time when customers call in at work and ask questions that I'm not qualified to answer. I take their number or email, make a phone call or send off an email to the person who can answer the question, then call or email the customer back with the answer and work with them further if needed. You don't get pissed at the employee who notes your question and advances it to someone who can answer it, as many are doing here. You get pissed if you keep raising the same question and it never gets answered. So, let's give them a day or so to make sure someone didn't screw up the Arizona's sigma values accidently or something else. THEN if we don't get an answer or update we can start getting grumpy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
349 Cpt_Kill_Jack Alpha Tester 1,178 posts 4,896 battles Report post #115 Posted July 7, 2016 The Arizona flag is being manually entered into the account that purchased the bundles. Funny enough Im experiencing better accuracy after the patch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 [STORM] pufek Members 631 posts 25,445 battles Report post #116 Posted July 7, 2016 Ok my 2c. Yesterday 0.5.7 - with the Arizone on average I was sinking 3-4 ships per match, this morning after the patch 0.5.8 I barely sunk 1-2. First thought maybe its a nono morning need more coffee or take a break, I did, came back 1h later same thing. I said to myself today players are kicking my but more than usual meh... I went out groceries shopping , check the forum and bumped into this tread. I have no clue what is reddit or something, what I know and notice the Arizona she is not the same. Hoping all this is just net [edited], because if they re not than WG will have problems. Ill follow this tread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
116 Xechran Members 488 posts 10,310 battles Report post #117 Posted July 7, 2016 That's what I'd like to know. If Arizona was released to 5.7 live with 1.8, 5.8 PT could have had been buffed to 2.0 then reverted back to 1.8 on 5.8 live.. which would mean no change. Don't let logic or facts get in the way of a good riot. I have anecdotal experience that my aim sucked lately and it can't be me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #118 Posted July 7, 2016 Ok my 2c. Yesterday 0.5.7 - with the Arizone on average I was sinking 3-4 ships per match, this morning after the patch 0.5.8 I barely sunk 1-2. First thought maybe its a nono morning need more coffee or take a break, I did, came back 1h later same thing. I said to myself today players are kicking my but more than usual meh... I went out groceries shopping , check the forum and bumped into this tread. I have no clue what is reddit or something, what I know and notice the Arizona she is not the same. Hoping all this is just net [edited], because if they re not than WG will have problems. Ill follow this tread. it couldn't be MM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
109 [CWGC] Summon3r Members 848 posts 2,991 battles Report post #119 Posted July 7, 2016 i bought this ship but i have no idea what "sigma" is, what does this actually mean in ships? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,153 [ARGSY] centarina Members 10,326 posts 16,228 battles Report post #120 Posted July 7, 2016 basically sigma is another term for standard deviation. but they use it differently than standard stat,. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,798 [WOLF2] HazardDrake Beta Testers 6,759 posts 16,729 battles Report post #121 Posted July 7, 2016 Why is the rage still going strong? An actual dev came onto the forums to say that no nerf was supposed to be made and that he is checking back with the balancing team. Because some people are not happy unless they are unhappy. All their questions MUST be answered this instant. An employee coming into a thread, telling us what their understanding of the situation is, and that they will advance the question further up the chain and reply back is somehow evidence of some grand KGB cover up. Personally, I have too many real problems in my life to have the time to create fake ones. Must be a rich person thing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 [STORM] pufek Members 631 posts 25,445 battles Report post #122 Posted July 7, 2016 it couldn't be MM Hey it was you.lolol in one match Anyway I hope its nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40 SimiaStoicus Members 228 posts 6,391 battles Report post #123 Posted July 7, 2016 game balance > whatever entitlement players feel about how their OP ships shouldn't be nerfed cuz pay to win is ok as long as its me. Now in this particular case, WG NA already there weren't any nerfs. If it was nerfed, and it can be justified by devs, I for one welcome it. They should nerf and buff all ships, premium or otherwise, as needed. All games I know does this, League, COD, BF, Hearthstone, Dota etc... I don't know why people here expect no change to premium ships whatsoever. A balanced and fair game should be welcomed by all players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest 0 posts Report post #124 Posted July 7, 2016 Hi folks, Just wanted to step in here and clarify: There was no stealth nerf to USS Arizona in 0.5.8. We prefer avoid re-balancing premium ships after release at all costs and we will be clear with you if we decide its absolutely necessary to change a premium ship that was already available for sale. In this case there was no change to the sigma values for USS Arizona that we are aware of. In the off chance something like this slipped in accidentally, I will verify with the balance team that this change did not actually occur. Thank you for the rapid response, an explanation was definitely needed quickly after this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,186 BlazerSparta Members 11,026 posts 30,669 battles Report post #125 Posted July 7, 2016 All ships should be up for balance. Even premiums. Something something you don't own anything in the game 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
