1,736 gurudennis Beta Testers 5,082 posts 5,575 battles Report post #1 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) WG, we bought the ship with the express understanding that her characteristics will remain at least as good as on the day of sale. Now she gets a stealth nerf just one day later? This is a horrible business practice, once again making me feel skeptical of WG's integrity. I'm not OK with blatant bait and switch worth $30, and for some of us as much as $70+. Bring back the 2.0 sigma. Edit #1: Source (apparently reputable): https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/4rlgb2/058_pt_058_live_data_changes/ Edit #2: According to Boyarsky (WG dev), the sigma value was nerfed to 1.8 long before Arizona was for sale. Thus there is no formal cause for concern, Arizona will perform exactly as she did for the past 3 days since she appeared in the store even though the 2.0 Warspite-like sigma that we were hoping for didn't happen. Full quote: Hey guys, I have an official confirmation for you - there was no stealth nerf of Arizona in 0.5.8. However, you are right that her sigma was nerfed from 2.0 to 1.8. That change was applied a week before the first day of sales. I guarantee it! © I'd like to apologize to Quemapueblos and Boyarsky for taking a stronger stance on this matter than may have been well advised. Edit #3: Curiouser and curiouser. Data mining by the same source has confirmed that the public 5.7 client contained the sigma value of 2.0 both in the EU and NA version of it, meaning that Arizona as we bought and played her for the first 3 days had this value, which in turn means that the post-launch nerf did in fact happen. The quote by Boyarsky above is therefore either unintentional misinformation or an intentional lie. As a dev I tend to trust fellow devs unless there's a good reason not to. Well, in this case now there may be one. Edited July 7, 2016 by gurudennis 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 13,569 battles Report post #2 Posted July 7, 2016 Has anyone actually verified that information is correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,736 gurudennis Beta Testers 5,082 posts 5,575 battles Report post #3 Posted July 7, 2016 Sigma isn't displayed in the client. What we have to go on is this: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/4rlgb2/058_pt_058_live_data_changes/ The poster is reputable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,053 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 16,027 posts 12,803 battles Report post #4 Posted July 7, 2016 I noticed my shots not converging as well as they did today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [S_E_A] byronicasian Beta Testers 2,709 posts 4,585 battles Report post #5 Posted July 7, 2016 THE MURMANSKGATE FLASHBACKSS..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,357 battles Report post #6 Posted July 7, 2016 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,887 [NSF] Big_Spud Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 5,304 posts 9,284 battles Report post #7 Posted July 7, 2016 Just when it seemed like things were looking up for a change with this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
103 [SHIV] StoneGullet Beta Testers 488 posts 4,865 battles Report post #8 Posted July 7, 2016 If this is indeed true I want my money back. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,644 [O7] 1nv4d3rZ1m Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 12,147 posts 9,111 battles Report post #9 Posted July 7, 2016 inb4 "nobody cares its a USN ship, they aren't supposed to be good". 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
41 [KWRCN] mdolsen Beta Testers 129 posts 7,089 battles Report post #10 Posted July 7, 2016 Nice bait and switch. Stealth nerf to a premium in a patch a few days after the initial sales rush is the most scummy thing WG has done in a long time. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,728 [ABDA] crzyhawk Beta Testers 17,538 posts 13,569 battles Report post #11 Posted July 7, 2016 inb4 "nobody cares its a USN ship, they aren't supposed to be good". now now z1m, we're not supposed to say that anymore! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
84 [HOTH] EmGee42 Beta Testers 344 posts 7,388 battles Report post #12 Posted July 7, 2016 Hmm, That's messed up. Especially when it's an item paid for with real money. I paid for the ship as delivered, for $30 I don't think they should be doing anything to nerf it. Would be different if it was a tech tree ship with no money involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
149 [TF16A] IAF_NASTY Members 390 posts 18,124 battles Report post #13 Posted July 7, 2016 If this is indeed true WG just got my last dollar. I also noticed this as well in my first game after the patch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,513 atPrick__ Members 16,315 posts 12,357 battles Report post #14 Posted July 7, 2016 So many players that NEVER buy prems bought Zona.... this might get a little [edited] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8 [QUIN] HMS_TaterTots Beta Testers 114 posts 1,789 battles Report post #15 Posted July 7, 2016 WG: we dont USUALLY nerf premium ships. Well played, I quit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
498 [JOLLY] Bl4ckBaron Alpha Tester 579 posts 6,287 battles Report post #16 Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) The stealth nerf of Arizona sigma is a really bad business practice, especially because WG did not announced it so people keep buying the ship. @Nyx: something must be done about this...especially because Arizona is such a special ship in US History that it did not deserve to be nerved on the only parameter that makes it worth buying. WG should be careful when messing up with such an American War Memorial. I feel this nerf is an unnecessary disrespect to such a beloved US symbol. Edited July 7, 2016 by Bl4ckBaron 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
103 [SHIV] StoneGullet Beta Testers 488 posts 4,865 battles Report post #17 Posted July 7, 2016 This is indeed a travesty. Looking forward to this blowing up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
149 [TF16A] IAF_NASTY Members 390 posts 18,124 battles Report post #18 Posted July 7, 2016 They only way WG will stop this crap is when it hits their wallet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
373 [AOH] Wepps Members 984 posts 7,157 battles Report post #19 Posted July 7, 2016 If true, that's not the right thing to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [S_E_A] byronicasian Beta Testers 2,709 posts 4,585 battles Report post #20 Posted July 7, 2016 This is indeed a travesty. Looking forward to this blowing up. Guaranteed to. Sucks for the NA support team cause this probably sandbagged them also, considering how crapthe comms are between the devs and overseas branches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,736 gurudennis Beta Testers 5,082 posts 5,575 battles Report post #21 Posted July 7, 2016 If true, that's not the right thing to do. "The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage" - Emperor Hirohito, 1945 Both masters of understatement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
376 [S_E_A] byronicasian Beta Testers 2,709 posts 4,585 battles Report post #22 Posted July 7, 2016 "The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage" - Emperor Hirohito, 1945 Both masters of understatement As weaksauce of a statement as Romney's Trump Is 'Very Very Not Smart' jab. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
458 [SIM] LadyJess Members 1,747 posts Report post #23 Posted July 7, 2016 Wow this is not good. Very shady business practice makes me not want to ever get another premium ship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
40 [RNF] Extraordinarii Beta Testers 211 posts 4,419 battles Report post #24 Posted July 7, 2016 They need to make up their mind before releasing a premium ship. What was the point of all the testing? I am very confused. I'm totally fine with 1.8 sigma, but they had to make those changes before selling it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
977 [HINON] giovybez Members 3,381 posts 33,282 battles Report post #25 Posted July 7, 2016 Wow. That 2.0 Sigma had BB captains drooling from the mouth. The notion of a better armored New Mex with tighter shell spreads was a big selling point. If it turns out to be true, then I want see a balancing of the Gremy and Imperator and their reintroduction into the premium store. :-) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
