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During the 1940 invasion of Norway by Germany many Norwegian destroyers fled to Britain after the occupation, these destroyers were eagerly accepted by the British due to the lack of destroyers. When Britain is added to the game, I was thinking that you could introduce the Stord as a premium in the British Destroyer line because it participated in the sinking of the Scharnhorst in the Battle of the North Cape torpedoing the battleship while it was trying to intercept the convoy that the Stord was escorting. I was thinking that the Stord could be added as  tier V-VI premium destroyer. By doing this Wargaming would acknowledge the allied ships that came from Occupied Nations.

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The HNoMS Stord was a British ship by design and build, but was transferred to the Norwegian gov't in exile, surely there is something that was Norweigen in design that would be a more fun representattive? But I guess there would be a good chance that the S Class destroyer might make it in the tree when the British line is introduced.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNoMS_Stord_(G26)

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The HNoMS Stord was a British ship by design and build, but was transferred to the Norwegian gov't in exile, surely there is something that was Norweigen in design that would be a more fun representattive? But I guess there would be a good chance that the S Class destroyer might make it in the tree when the British line is introduced.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNoMS_Stord_(G26)

 

There's only one destroyers class locally built by Norway on Wikipedia (because I'm lazy in researching stuff) the Draug Class, which has 
Armament:
  • 6 × 7.6 cm (3 in) quick-firing guns
  • 1 × 12,7 mm Colt anti-aircraft machine
  • gun
  • 3 × 45 cm (18 in) torpedo tubes

 

the armament is horrible and obsolete and the one bright spot is the torpedos (I'm not sure about the range because I don't know what make and mark they are) the only logical placement for the Draug would be tier 2-3 because the torpedos would be a counter to the lowest caliber main guns in game (3in) it would most likely be tier 2 because of the horrible AA armament.

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Well, it [draug] might make a funny premium at tier 2 or 3 alongside the equally bad other low tier premium destroyers, the tachibana, cambleton, and smith.

 

 

The Stord on the other hand, with four 120mm guns seems to fit around the tier 5 mark, since the tier 4's use the 102mm guns, and the tier 5's go up to 130/127 respectively for rus and us.

 

The ww1/ww2 british 21" torps, according to wiki, is a very slow torpedo though. Like, ~40ish kt slow, and very short ranged.

 

 

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Well, it [draug] might make a funny premium at tier 2 or 3 alongside the equally bad other low tier premium destroyers, the tachibana, cambleton, and smith.

 

 

The Stord on the other hand, with four 120mm guns seems to fit around the tier 5 mark, since the tier 4's use the 102mm guns, and the tier 5's go up to 130/127 respectively for rus and us.

 

The ww1/ww2 british 21" torps, according to wiki, is a very slow torpedo though. Like, ~40ish kt slow, and very short ranged.

 

 

There is also the Sleipner class destroyer that was commissioned in 1936

 

 

  • 3 × 10 cm guns
  • 1 × 40 mm Bofors anti-aircraft gun
  • 2 × 12.7 mm Colt anti-aircraft machine guns
  • 2 × 53.3 cm torpedo tubes
  • 4 × depth charge throwers

 

I'd say that the Sleipner class would be a tier 4 because of the guns and torpedos.

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There is also the Sleipner class destroyer that was commissioned in 1936

 

 

  • 3 × 10 cm guns
  • 1 × 40 mm Bofors anti-aircraft gun
  • 2 × 12.7 mm Colt anti-aircraft machine guns
  • 2 × 53.3 cm torpedo tubes
  • 4 × depth charge throwers

 

I'd say that the Sleipner class would be a tier 4 because of the guns and torpedos.

 

3 100mm guns? I'd call that tier 3, tops.

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3 100mm guns? I'd call that tier 3, tops.

 

But the anti-aircraft armament would shred through the tier 4 Langley aircraft

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But the anti-aircraft armament would shred through the tier 4 Langley aircraft

 

Looks like it's a single barrel unit for the Bofors. And the 12.7mm machine guns?  The 12.7's are the Browning. Their "effective," range is 1800 meters (according to wiki.) And we all know how much WG likes using "effective" ranges in this game (cough, Warspite.)

 

Yea, it's AA is pitiful, get an Erie and make a fail division if you want anti-Langley AA on a tiny boat.

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Looks like it's a single barrel unit for the Bofors. And the 12.7mm machine guns?  The 12.7's are the Browning. Their "effective," range is 1800 meters (according to wiki.) And we all know how much WG likes using "effective" ranges in this game (cough, Warspite.)

 

Yea, it's AA is pitiful, get an Erie and make a fail division if you want anti-Langley AA on a tiny boat.

 

yeah I guess you're right

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Looks like it's a single barrel unit for the Bofors. And the 12.7mm machine guns?  The 12.7's are the Browning. Their "effective," range is 1800 meters (according to wiki.) And we all know how much WG likes using "effective" ranges in this game (cough, Warspite.)

 

Yea, it's AA is pitiful, get an Erie and make a fail division if you want anti-Langley AA on a tiny boat.

For the rest of her war service, Draug escorted coastal convoys and provided local defence in the south of England. After arrival in the United Kingdom Draug's aft 76 mm gun was removed and replaced with a 3" anti-aircraft cannon, and two .303 Lewis anti-aircraft machine guns were installed, one on each of the on the bridge wings.[25][26] A degaussing cable was placed on the hull to demagnetize the ship and counter magnetic mines.[26] there would probably be a b hull mod (I know it's a premium)

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The ww1/ww2 british 21" torps, according to wiki, is a very slow torpedo though. Like, ~40ish kt slow, and very short ranged.

Better than most. 

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There's only one destroyers class locally built by Norway on Wikipedia (because I'm lazy in researching stuff) the Draug Class, which has
Armament:
  • 6 × 7.6 cm (3 in) quick-firing guns
  • 1 × 12,7 mm Colt anti-aircraft machine
  • gun
  • 3 × 45 cm (18 in) torpedo tubes

 

the armament is horrible and obsolete and the one bright spot is the torpedos (I'm not sure about the range because I don't know what make and mark they are) the only logical placement for the Draug would be tier 2-3 because the torpedos would be a counter to the lowest caliber main guns in game (3in) it would most likely be tier 2 because of the horrible AA armament.

 

actually this is interesting because Tachibana guns are 76mm (7.6cm) which would, or at least could, make this ship a very competitive tier 2 DD; especially if those torpedos are worth a darn. Tachi, despite being on the bottom end of many statistics, is quite an enjoyable little ship to play, and quite competitive in it's tier. These Norwegian DD's could be very similar.

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I was just searching navy-pedia and I found a crap ton of Norwegian destroyers.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/norway/no_index.htm

Well, lets see...after looking at all the boats newer than 1702....these are the ones that ... have the slightest potential...

 

The Draug has been mentioned on this forum before, 6x 76/40 guns puts it right near the tier 2/3 mark, with its triple 450mm torp rack.... basically, a better gun'd tachibana, with worse slightly  torps and about 4-6kt slower.

 

Alesund. Total of 4 guns in 2-1-1 arrangement. and 2x2 torpedoes. That seems pretty reasonable for a tier 2 actually. Also 34kt, maybe a bit fast - but that's what "balancing" is for....

 

Bath, a couple of ships in this class with different gun arrangements, but focusing on the most common - 3x1 102mm, 2x3 533mm torps. And 35kt speed. And built in the USA. Another tier 2... 

 

Stord, also discussed, 4x120mm fits in around tier 4, maybe at 3. But it's got 2x4 533 torp tubes and hits 36.75kt, so that'd be at least a tier 4 boat, and depending on gun performance, might even be a tier 5. 

 

Oslo,  4x 114/45s and a modest AA suite, with a single quadruple launcher of 533's at 36.76kt puts it also at tier 4. 114mm is an interesting caliber. Though i don't know the actual ballistic qualities of the shell....

 

Sleipner, 3x100/40 borfors and a single double torpedo launcher - 533mm. 30kt.... I think i'd rather be in the Tachibana or the Sims. A tier 1 DD? Will WG do a tier 1 DD? I can't see this at tier 2 at all.

 

Odin,  same armanent as the Sleipner, same speed. Sister ship to Sleipner.

 

Glaidsdale - an Escort DD, 27kt, 2x2 102mm/45 and 1x2 533mm torp. Tier 1/2...

 

Badsworth has 3x2 102/45 guns, no torps. Goes 27kt. Tier 4 premium gunboat? Maybe....not having torps kinda huts ALOT. Can't suicide rush anything. Does have Sonar....27kt really prevents it from being - good.

 

So...there are a few resonable ships, the Draug, Alesund, stord, Oslo, and Baldsworth (because of its 3x2 guns) But nothing to actually fill out a DD line beyond tier 5 (at best.)

 

 

 

 

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Well, lets see...after looking at all the boats newer than 1702....these are the ones that ... have the slightest potential...

 

Bath, a couple of ships in this class with different gun arrangements, but focusing on the most common - 3x1 102mm, 2x3 533mm torps. And 35kt speed. And built in the USA. Another tier 2... 

 

Stord, also discussed, 4x120mm fits in around tier 4, maybe at 3. But it's got 2x4 533 torp tubes and hits 36.75kt, so that'd be at least a tier 4 boat, and depending on gun performance, might even be a tier 5. 

 

Oslo,  4x 114/45s and a modest AA suite, with a single quadruple launcher of 533's at 36.76kt puts it also at tier 4. 114mm is an interesting caliber. Though i don't know the actual ballistic qualities of the shell....

 

Glaidsdale - an Escort DD, 27kt, 2x2 102mm/45 and 1x2 533mm torp. Tier 1/2...

 

Badsworth has 3x2 102/45 guns, no torps. Goes 27kt. Tier 4 premium gunboat? Maybe....not having torps kinda huts ALOT. Can't suicide rush anything. Does have Sonar....27kt really prevents it from being - good.

Unfortunately you're a bit off. 

 

Bath is the same sort of ship as Campbeltown, a tier III. 

 

Stord is is a WWII S class, which is tier VI-VII material. 

 

Oslo is a WWII Cr class, which is the same as above, having better gunpower (range & dispersion) in exchange for one torpedo bank. 

 

Glaisdale is a WWII Type III Hunt. Which is probably tier IV material. 

 

As is Badsworth, a Type II Hunt. 

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No more dead end ship trees please! Destroyers are already saddled with a few lines of Premium DDs that have no tree counter parts, we don't need more. WG is already releasing ships for this game at a glacial pace, no need to distract them with more -one off- nations in game.

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Unfortunately you're a bit off. 

 

Bath is the same sort of ship as Campbeltown, a tier III. 

 

Stord is is a WWII S class, which is tier VI-VII material. 

 

Oslo is a WWII Cr class, which is the same as above, having better gunpower (range & dispersion) in exchange for one torpedo bank. 

 

Glaisdale is a WWII Type III Hunt. Which is probably tier IV material. 

 

As is Badsworth, a Type II Hunt. 

I was just going off the specs from the page the dude linked. I don't know the exact specifics of the guns or torpedoes...but based on those pages, I don't see how the Stord is anywhere near a tier 6 or 7.

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Copied directly from Wikipedia:

 

S-class destroyer
Displacement:
Length: 362 ft 9 in (110.6 m) (o/a)
Beam: 35 ft 9 in (10.9 m)
Draught: 14 ft 6 in (4.4 m) (deep)
Installed power:
Propulsion: 2 × shafts; 2 × Parsons geared steam turbines
Speed: 36 knots (67 km/h; 41 mph)
Range: 4,675 nmi (8,658 km; 5,380 mi) at 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph)
Sensors and
processing systems:
  • Radar Type 290 air warning
  • Radar Type 285 ranging & bearing
Armament:

 

  • With the fairly good speed and displacement and having the same guns as the Tribal class destroyers (with the additional feature of doubling as AA) and having twin quad mounted torpedo tubes I personally would put it at tier 6 because of the advanced fire control radar. The only disadvantage about the destroyers is the AA, but other than that it looks fine for tier 6.

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I was just going off the specs from the page the dude linked. I don't know the exact specifics of the guns or torpedoes...but based on those pages, I don't see how the Stord is anywhere near a tier 6 or 7.

Compared to Mutsuki:

Same number of guns, but Stord's are better 

More torpedoes. 

Better torpedoes. 

0.75kts slower. 

 

So certainly a tier VI. 

 

And it only has 4 barrels for its main battery....

 

Mahan only has 5, whilst all the VIs have 4. 

 

 

 

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Compared to Mutsuki:

Same number of guns, but Stord's are better 

More torpedoes. 

Better torpedoes. 

0.75kts slower. 

 

So certainly a tier VI. 

 

 

Mahan only has 5, whilst all the VIs have 4. 

 

 

 

And wickes as 4...izzy has 5.

 

Without specific ballistic and gun performance numbers it's kinda hard to place DD at a specific tier. What are its torpedo performance numbers? Rudder shift? speed bleed? concealment?

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No more dead end ship trees please! Destroyers are already saddled with a few lines of Premium DDs that have no tree counter parts, we don't need more. WG is already releasing ships for this game at a glacial pace, no need to distract them with more -one off- nations in game.

 

The Norwegians did more than the Russian navy, Stord helped sink the Scharnhorst and the Norwegian costal battleships delayed Blucher (an admiral hipper class cruiser) long enough for the king to escape. Then, a Norwegian outpost sunk the Blucher with outdated torpedo launchers and naval guns from the 1890s

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There's only one destroyers class locally built by Norway on Wikipedia (because I'm lazy in researching stuff) the Draug Class, which has 
Armament:
  • 6 × 7.6 cm (3 in) quick-firing guns
  • 1 × 12,7 mm Colt anti-aircraft machine
  • gun
  • 3 × 45 cm (18 in) torpedo tubes

 

the armament is horrible and obsolete and the one bright spot is the torpedos (I'm not sure about the range because I don't know what make and mark they are) the only logical placement for the Draug would be tier 2-3 because the torpedos would be a counter to the lowest caliber main guns in game (3in) it would most likely be tier 2 because of the horrible AA armament.

 

A Draug class would be T2. That's 122 tons smaller than Smith, so we're talking about the lowest HP destroyer in the game. The armament is also very similar to Smith; same number and size of torpedo tubes, same sized guns but probably slower-firing (but 1 more of them than Smith) and even slower than Smith at 27kt. On the plus side Draug is tiny, so probably stealthier than any ship in the game.

 

I'll suggest the 2nd ship of the class, HNoMS Troll as a German premium. That way WG can literally troll their customers. :trollface: Besides, every nation deserves a derpy little T2 DD like Smith and Tachibana.

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