mr3awsome's ADLA attempt: HMAS Vampire

[mr3awsome]

 

Hello everyone. 

 

Today we are going to look at HMAS Vampire, a modified Daring class destroyer. 

She and her three sisters were ordered in 1946, but construction was delayed until 1949. 

The four ships were named for the ships of the "Scrap Iron Flotilla"; Voyager, Vendetta, Vampire and Waterhen. 

Ultimately the latter was cancelled, Voyager was lost to a collision with the Melbourne, 

but Vendetta and Vampire wouldn't be removed from service until the second half of the 1980s. 

We'll look at Vampire as she was commissioned.

 

Weight: 3600t 

According to Dseehafer's formula this comes out as 18952 HP. 

This puts it in the tier IX-X bracket. 

 

Main Armament: 3 x 2 QF 4.5"/45 Mk 6

These are the same guns that we see on the Gaels and last 10 Battles. 

The 25*/s traverse speed will be nice, but the 746m/s muzzle velocity compensates for that. 

RoF is good, and could have either 12-14, 18 or 24 RPM, depending on balance. 

 

AA Battery: 3 x 2 QF 4.5"/45 Mk 6, 2 x 2 Mk 5 40mm Bofors, 2 x 1 Mk 7 40mm Bofors. 

Same number of guns as a British Daring, but a different layout. Total DPS will probably be about the same overall. 

 

Torpedo Battery: 1 x 5 533mm

The torpedoes are good, there just aren't that many of them. 

 

Speed: 34.75kts

Not gonna win any drag races, but then again the speed shouldn't be a hindrance by this point. 

 

Conclusion: TBD.

Vampire is quite tough to place. Everything aside from the speed and torpedo battery are tier X. 

The speed thing is a regular theme in the British line, with the top speed being about 36.75kts. So thats okay. 

The torpedo battery though, is the same as the one you're likely to deal with at tier VI/VII. 

This one is so close to call I'm going to poll it to see what you all think. 

 

Pros:

Good guns.

Good handling.

Good hitpoints.

 

Cons:

Slow. 

Poor torpedo battery. 

 

 

What do you think of the Museum ship?

 

Do you have any requests?

 

[mofton]

I said IV and VIII.

 

I think the ships had 3x2 rather than 2x2? Unless they lost a turret compared to the Darings? How was the turret arrangement different, visually they look like an A-B-Y configuration, with maybe Y turret higher?

 

If they get 6 guns, about equivalent to the USN 5in/38 but half the torpedoes and slower than a Fletcher I think that puts them at about VIII. HP are good but the ship has a relatively high looking profile to me, bigger target.

 

I do think that being run-down by cruisers (if they're aggressive) will be a problem, especially if you only have one chance to torpedo them, and no opportunity to do a cross-fire and catch a turn. Overall the same problem as Gael.

 

With 2x5 torpedoes, the higher-end of ROF and maybe higher speed I think getting up to IX - X is possible for the Daring's.  

 

 

[Bjoring]

I don't know a lot about the original HMAS Vampire, but I'm going to tentatively put it at tier 3. It seems like a good destroyer for her time, but she'd be outdone at tier 4 by the Clemson's dual-mounts and the Isokaze's stealth torping.

 

Good write-up on the latter, more famous HMAS Vampire. I'd put her at tier 10: her guns, hitpoints, and handling will make her a great gun-boat style destroyer at any range, and the torps provide a powerful, if situational, punch against bigger ships. The (relatively) slow speed might be a bit annoying when chasing down an enemy DD, but it's still fast enough to keep them in range long enough for those guns to finish it off, and you'd have a smokescreen if you needed to run away from something. Given that the Darings were the last gun destroyers of the RN/RAN, it seems natural that they would crown the DD line. Also, you really can't make a ship called Vampire anything but top-tier. Here's hoping we get the option for a spooky Holloween style skin.

 

As a museum ship, the Vampire looks clean and well preserved. I'll have to take a tour when I finally get around to visiting Australia.

[El_Judarino]

Case for tier 10:

 

- Gearing rhymes with Daring, I know this is important.

 

- Very Gearing gun armament.

 

- Very Gearing HP.

 

- Very Gearing stealth (likely) Line drawings of the 2 seem to put their mast heights between 75-77 feet above the waterline depending on the resolution of my (heavily nerfed) eyeballs.

 

- should turn slightly better than Gearing having the same lenght and a two foot wider beam.

 

- Post war ship

 

Case against tier 10:

 

- likely less AA than Gearing, unless those DP guns are stupendously good

 

- slower than most DDs

 

- half Gearing's torp armament

 

Assuming I'm close to right about the stealth values, making a tier 10 of it could be relatively easily done if it gets a snappier rudder than Gearing and some sort of "bonus" to its torps, be it faster reload, bigger warhead or a lower detection range.

 

That said, if WG wanted to sell it as a premium, making a T8 out of it isn't too hard either, with the big health pool being part of it's "thing".

 

[dseehafer]

Iron duke plox!

[Sinboto]

Said T5 for the original, two quad mounts is no joke. 

[dseehafer]

Also, MR. Awesome. here are the updated hitpoint calculations

 

Battleship Hitpoints: 10988 + (tonnage X 1.1769)
Cruiser Hitpoints: 9898 + (tonnage X 1.8525)
Destroyer Hitpoints: 3294 + (tonnage X 4.601)
Carrier Hitpoints: 28253 + (tonnage X 0.7311)

[El_Judarino]

Iron duke plox!

 

I would like to second this request 

[TheOssifrage]

I'm really looking forward to the HMAS Vampires - the escort of the mighty but ill-fated Force Z is a must have, and the Daring-class Vampire will always hold a special place in my memory, because that was the second military ship I explored (the first being HMAS Onslow, the submarine moored alongside it). I only live a few hours away from them, so I'd like my own copy of the destroyer.

[mr3awsome]

Iron duke plox!

 

I would like to second this request 

 

Said T5 for the original, two quad mounts is no joke. 

 

Thats not actually true though, Wikipedia lies. 

 

Also, MR. Awesome. here are the updated hitpoint calculations

 

Battleship Hitpoints: 10988 + (tonnage X 1.1769)
Cruiser Hitpoints: 9898 + (tonnage X 1.8525)
Destroyer Hitpoints: 3294 + (tonnage X 4.601)
Carrier Hitpoints: 28253 + (tonnage X 0.7311)

 

Thanks. 

How was the turret arrangement different, visually they look like an A-B-Y configuration, with maybe Y turret higher?

 

Y turret is closer to the forward turrets compared to the British Darings. 

 

[MrDeaf]

Despite the lower muzzle velocity, I think these guns will have better arcs than USN 127mm/38.

The shells are the same weight, but 114mm is more aerodynamic than 127mm.

 

If you look at the navweaps pages for DD guns.

RN 4.5"/45: Range @ 45d = 18,970m

USN 5"/38: Range @ 45d = 16,070m

IJN 12.7cm/50: Range @ 45d = 18,380m

[Simzee]

She was still in service when i was although i didnt serve on her (i was on Yarra DE45-once my nic in WoT).

Vampire is worth a visit at Darling Harbour in Sydney if you're ever down this way  

It would be awesome to see Vampire in game!!

 

[Rolkatsuki]

Good read and a ship from my country so +1,

I visited her last year.

[CanadianAdmiral]

Face-palmed so hard that I didn't see this thread earlier. 

Anyways, I was looking at the stats of the 114 mm guns used as the secondary battery on Neptune this morning: 3 sec reload, 746 m/s muzzle velocity, 7% fire chance (stock), 1600 HE shell damage.. Naturally, they are also the same guns that would be mounted in a 3 x 2 config. on the Daring class, should they come into WoWs and crowning the British DD line. As it stands, I think those gun stats should be fine as is. Range could be something like 11-12 km. It would definitely be worth grinding out the full British DD tree to get Daring (and then I can rename her Vampire (II), muahahaha xD)