I'm starting to understand why people are not fans of some CV players.

[89Abo]

So I want to start off by saying that I tried CVs and its not my thing. I don't have the patience for it and I primarily play DD or BB. I will admit that  CVs are both the strongest and weakest unit in the game all depending on the player. That's the issue, the number of players on here that are only decent (probably me included) are not really all that great overall. This is easily made worse when you play CV, and play it poorly, so I am willing to admit CVs also get more crap then other players.

 

With that said, I can not stand when CV players expect to be carried by their team. If anything you should either be part of the team OR the strongest link. No one else can get from one flank to the other in a matter of seconds to a minute at tops. So now to the point that brings me here. Myself (Wyoming) with 3/4 hp, a CV,  CA under 500hp and a DD were fighting 2 CAs, and a BB (also Wyoming) all with almost all their health.

 

We lose the DD but luckily at the same moment kill one CA, so now BB,CA(500hp), CV vs BB, CA. Unfortunately my CA ally runs into my BB killing himself, but I have gotten the other CA to less than 1000hp and the BB to about 20000hp. I finish off the CA and start focusing on the BB, at this point he out hp me. As I'm dodging and firing I message the CV to please close in (cut down on flight time) and try to focus fire on the BB.

 

So here is the kicker, he basically said that we should have capped the like 10 minutes ago.....at which point I tell him I have been under fire. He is like "oh really, in a Naval fighting game?". Clearly I can sense the sarcasm and tell him you do realize that I can be in the base, being shot at and can't capture. Luckily after getting the enemy BB to 4000 health, one of his torps finally hits him ending the match.

 

To sum up, some people hate CV players because its one of the most complex units with some of the laziest/unskilled players playing them. I couldn't believe he didn't understand, or know a pretty important game mechanic. Luckily I ended the match with over 1200xp, just about 2x amount of him. =)

[Submarine_Wahoo]

The experience you describe here sounds more like it's more like the general populace of low tiers do not understand the game mechanics than a specific population of players playing a certain class of ship. I haven't seen anything here that sounds special to CVs in particular, although I agree that CVs are basically like a different game compared to the other classes.

[89Abo]

The experience you describe here sounds more like it's more like the general populace of low tiers do not understand the game mechanics than a specific population of players playing a certain class of ship. I haven't seen anything here that sounds special to CVs in particular, although I agree that CVs are basically like a different game compared to the other classes.

Though i think that is fair, I think by tier 5/6 you should know the game.

[Submarine_Wahoo]

Though i think that is fair, I think by tier 5/6 you should know the game.

 

Unfortunately, that is far from the case. You will see idiots at all tiers of the game.

[IronWolfV]

Though i think that is fair, I think by tier 5/6 you should know the game.

 

Problem there is, most USN carriers really aren't all that good. I mean you only get 3 squadrons at any given time and all of them give you something of 1 part and not enough of anything.  IJN on the other hand always have something of everything.  Just depends on where.

 

USN IMHO really doesn't start shaping up till you hit the ranger.  I really think WG should for the lower tier carriers go with the split 3 plane squads for USN.  It would help some.

[7_Mary_3]

Those same players are the ones that tell me, a CL driver, to go and cap the East/West caps on Two Brothers and engage the DD who is also trying to cap.  The BB captains are getting all bent out of shape because they refuse to advance if there is a DD around and tell me to cap and eliminate the threat.  Meanwhile, there might be a Kongo, and two NYs cruising the other side of the cap.  

 

Now, you guys tell me..what is going to happen to me if i decide to push up and engage the DD?  I will be deleted from game very quickly once I present the closest target, that's what.  And yet they continue to yell and stand back at max range taking pot shots at the other BBs, all the while complaining that no one is assisting in pushing and we are all a bunch of pansies.

[89Abo]

I shouldn't complain too much. The DD was very helpful and cooperative. I do have to say, the other day a CA player hid when we were losing cause he was "low health".

[89Abo]

Those same players are the ones that tell me, a CL driver, to go and cap the East/West caps on Two Brothers and engage the DD who is also trying to cap.  The BB captains are getting all bent out of shape because they refuse to advance if there is a DD around and tell me to cap and eliminate the threat.  Meanwhile, there might be a Kongo, and two NYs cruising the other side of the cap.  

 

Now, you guys tell me..what is going to happen to me if i decide to push up and engage the DD?  I will be deleted from game very quickly once I present the closest target, that's what.  And yet they continue to yell and stand back at max range taking pot shots at the other BBs, all the while complaining that no one is assisting in pushing and we are all a bunch of pansies.

To me the biggest difference is in my original post. You die, it sucks but you arnt worth many points. A CV dies you lose almost a minute or more of points. Any other class of ship can be lost and its w.e. (though it sucks losing all your scouts). A CV is either a huge help,  or huge hinderance. Because of that I think its proper etiquette to learn CV in Coop. 

[Moksie]

I don't mind CV's and CV drivers.  I like the attentive ones.  I despise ones with tunnel vision and their own agenda.

We were all new at the beginning of the day though.

[devastator5000]

Yeah low tiers can be like that, but high tiers are annoying more because you see players who clearly stumbled into T7 and still use things like manual drop torps and barely do anything all match

[Wo_9]

there [edited]in all classes.  

[Estimated_Prophet]

 

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USN IMHO really doesn't start shaping up till you hit the ranger.  I really think WG should for the lower tier carriers go with the split 3 plane squads for USN.  It would help some.

 

Wouldn't know... For better or worse I decided the Ranger was just more of the same thing as Indy with one more squadron, facing higher tiers, godawful AA and too many Japanese to count. Gave up and parked it as not worth the effort.

 

Odd thing is I have no problem using Saipan, (my only T7 CV right now,) under the same circumstances... Maybe when I get my CV captain built up some more I'll try Ranger again.

[89Abo]

Yeah low tiers can be like that, but high tiers are annoying more because you see players who clearly stumbled into T7 and still use things like manual drop torps and barely do anything all match

Haha i had someone manual drop on me. Idk if he thought i was going the other way, but he was sooo far behind me.

[Misniso]

CV's are great.  But some players are so bad at it that you want them to blow up and die before the match ends.

[IronWolfV]

 

Wouldn't know... For better or worse I decided the Ranger was just more of the same thing as Indy with one more squadron, facing higher tiers, godawful AA and too many Japanese to count. Gave up and parked it as not worth the effort.

 

Odd thing is I have no problem using Saipan, (my only T7 CV right now,) under the same circumstances... Maybe when I get my CV captain built up some more I'll try Ranger again.

 

That's because the Saipan has a few things going for it.

 

1. Tier 9 planes, make them harder to kill.

2. USEFUL PLANE LOADOUTS.  I mean really, if I could split the squads on my Indy for the base set up, she'd be right as rain.

 

Really think WG should take a look at splitting the 6 plane squads on the indy down to 3 plane squads.

[89Abo]

CV's are great.  But some players are so bad at it that you want them to blow up and die before the match ends.

My point. Be honest how many times in comparison have you noticed a bad BB, CA, CL or DD player? You rarely notice cause they don't matter. Lol

[Misniso]

My point. Be honest how many times in comparison have you noticed a bad BB, CA, CL or DD player? You rarely notice cause they don't matter. Lol

 

Bad BB drivers are easy to notice.  Just look for that full hp BB sitting all the way in the back and facing away from the enemy fleet.   Because of them, cruisers and destroyers need to practice another skill, "Appraisal: determine which BB is going to be useless baggage and leave them behind."  Otherwise, that BB uses its own teammates for cannon fodder while it fires like 10 salvos and hits only once.

 

Bad CA or CL...so what if they're shooting the wrong target?  They're generally dead moments later so no need to punish them.

 

Bad DD's are probably the hardest to find.  Often if a match is going badly, all of the DD's are blamed.  e.g. "it's great how their DD's hit with every torp.  What are ours doing?"

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

I dislike the high tier CV players that request a CA to escort them because "the other loadouts dont earn xp". I mean really you run a loadout because you want xp and then want to just sit in one place and have someone guard you because you are to lazy to keep an eye on your ship and ask someone else to escort you  sacrificing their xp earnings? Seems a little hypocritical to me, especially with the consumable that CVs have now...

[89Abo]

 

Bad BB drivers are easy to notice.  Just look for that full hp BB sitting all the way in the back and facing away from the enemy fleet.   Because of them, cruisers and destroyers need to practice another skill, "Appraisal: determine which BB is going to be useless baggage and leave them behind."  Otherwise, that BB uses its own teammates for cannon fodder while it fires like 10 salvos and hits only once.

 

Bad CA or CL...so what if they're shooting the wrong target?  They're generally dead moments later so no need to punish them.

 

Bad DD's are probably the hardest to find.  Often if a match is going badly, all of the DD's are blamed.  e.g. "it's great how their DD's hit with every torp.  What are ours doing?"

I find this only partially true. A wyoming should be in the thick of things, a myogi not so much. I think ppl don't give enough credit to the variety of BBs, especially in the IJN line. No BB should ever be back camping,  but something like a myogi should never be at the front either. 

[Misniso]

I dislike the high tier CV players that request a CA to escort them because "the other loadouts dont earn xp". I mean really you run a loadout because you want xp and then want to just sit in one place and have someone guard you because you are to lazy to keep an eye on your ship and ask someone else to escort you  sacrificing their xp earnings? Seems a little hypocritical to me, especially with the consumable that CVs have now...

 

I'd rather high-tier CV players run strike.  Their air superiority loadouts do nearly squat in blunting an opponent strike CV unless they've mastered ammo management and the art of partial elimination.  Most haven't so there are long periods of time where strike sorties continue passing through unhindered.

[Wombatmetal]

I was in my Konigsberg yesterday and came under attack by 3 or 4 squadrons of bombers and torpedo planes. My friendly neighborhood CV kindly sent his fighters over to save my butt, for which I thanked him. 

 

I returned the favor latter on when he was threatened by a pesky DD.

 

Some classes and ships are trickier to master than others, Nothing is better than a good CV player

[atPrick__]

i want to play CVs but the game-play is atrocious 

[1nv4d3rZ1m]

 

I'd rather high-tier CV players run strike.  Their air superiority loadouts do nearly squat in blunting an opponent strike CV unless they've mastered ammo management and the art of partial elimination.  Most haven't so there are long periods of time where strike sorties continue passing through unhindered.

 

I personally dont care if a CV runs strike, I just dislike the ones that say in chat "I am running strike cause the rest dont earn xp, can I get an escort?". It just seems really hypocritical to me to expect someone to sacrifice xp earnings for you if you are doing something because of xp earnings. 

 

I dunno maybe I am the only one that sees it that way...

[BlazerSparta]

What I've noticed is that CV players have the most god awful situational awareness of anyone in the game. Worse than the BBs sailing in straight lines after spotting a destroyer.

 

A good chunk of CVs I've played with (and these are T9/10 CVs), don't even bother moving from spawn. If they do, it's to dive behind the closest island, after which....all stop.

 

I've seen CVs not attempt to dodge torps fired at them that they personally spotted, while attacking the launching destroyer. 

 

CV's, more than any other class, fail to take evasive action against incoming planes.

 

Your average CV players are so lulled into a sense of security by their safe areas at the back of the map that they fail to do any of the things other ships are told to do to counter CV drops.

[Misniso]

I find this only partially true. A wyoming should be in the thick of things, a myogi not so much. I think ppl don't give enough credit to the variety of BBs, especially in the IJN line. No BB should ever be back camping,  but something like a myogi should never be at the front either. 

 

It should still be in front, but only against 1 or 2 ships.  If there are more, it should be the rearguard and tanking damage while letting the cruisers run.  In other words, an organized retreat.  Plan B is to partner up with another battleship and distribute the damage soaking.

 

Despite having less armor, these ships can still heal and take damage better than the cruisers.  The less your cruisers have to worry about enemy armor, the more they can assist you.  And what better way to tell the enemy armor to fire at you than to get right in their face?  At the very least, you can limit their guns firing at your team by forcing them to angle.

 

 

I personally dont care if a CV runs strike, I just dislike the ones that say in chat "I am running strike cause the rest dont earn xp, can I get an escort?". It just seems really hypocritical to me to expect someone to sacrifice xp earnings for you if you are doing something because of xp earnings. 

 

I dunno maybe I am the only one that sees it that way...

 

No, that's a fair point.  I just haven't seen it recently.  Most of the time they just say, "running strike, need an escort".