CV, What Is The Problem?

[Gene_Inari]

Because I see the same thing every game. I put my [edited]in caps in domination as a DD just to be swarmed by literally every single bomber the other CV has. Sit in smoke and then get nuked a minute later because in the entire time I'm in smoke do you CVs bother send fighters? Never.  Free easy strafe run, but not once has it ever been done.

 

******

 

Even had a game, barely 2 minutes in, get bombed by enemy CV for over 60% of my health in a Tashkent at the BORDER of the closest cap. Literally every single squad in one single horde. I'm forced to eat torps and bombs because I'm already committed to a turn and trying to get the hell out. 10,000 damage just like that for 0 effort and 0 risk.

 

 Fighter? Defensive AA? [edited]nothing as I lose 10k HP in the first moments of a match and not a [edited]thing I could do. And not a sign of the slightest resistance. No fighter nearby, CLs 5k behind don't do anything either. Just the same spiel of CVs doing nothing but looking out for their own [edited]damage. Who cares if the DDs that actually go out and earn caps and wins in Domination die. It ain't worth the effort to you CVs if there isn't damage in it for you huh? 

 

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- Yshoneist

[_Sarcasticat_]

Yay for mass generalizations!

[PelicanHazard]

The CV isn't your personal bodyguard.

[Fog_Cruiser_Chikuma]

Nope. We only go for DD's for stat padding

[Moksie]

 

Just now I was in a match and the CV asked "Where do you want my planes?"

 

I in my DD, heading to the east cap saw the only other DD heading to middle cap.  And said "Scout for your DD bro"

 

"Ok I'll send my planes to the cap that nobody on my team is heading to"  Paraphrased.

 

So upon watching a stream of planes head out from behind the spawnline camp site.  I then got tagged in the cap and killed because  of zero scouting or support.

 

 

Soooooooooo glad I died fast and got away in time..........

 

CV's perfected tunnelvision, BB's just imitate.

 

[TenguBlade]

OP has a total of 16 battles in carriers, only 4 of them in a carrier with actual dive bombers, and none of them at the tiers where he plays DD.  Maybe have some appreciation for how mid- and high-tier CV plays before you criticize?

 

If it's anyone's fault, it's yours.  You went too far out from your anti-aircraft screen or went out without cover, I don't care which.  You should be keeping just outside of your allied CA or BB's maximum AA range: that way you can duck into his umbrella and/or Defensive Fire if under attack.  DDs can and should scout, yes, but remember that T8 ships usually have AA ranges of around 5km.  If you're any further out, odds are if you run into a cruiser that spots you the BBs/CAs won't be able to do much to help you out there, either.  The CV(s), or any ship on your team for that matter, even division mates, are not your bodyguards: they have their own agendas and problems to worry about.  If you want their aid, you have to either ask or get close.

 

This is a clear example of what carriers excel at doing: eliminating solo ships.  DDs have the best chance of escaping it with no damage of all ships except maybe a USN CA with Defensive Fire active, but at the end of the day, it's still only a chance, and your luck is bound to run out sometime.  I kill off stray DDs all the time in my Hiryu, in fact it's what I spend most of the battle doing so the CAs can help the BBs burn/shell the other team's BBs and CAs to death.   I personally try to support whatever side is underrepresented by my own team, especially in 2-zone (too many idiots that don't realize you can't leave a flank open in that mode), and I think a lot of strategically-minded CV players do the same.

[MadCaptain_2016]

They get NO XP for shooting down the planes that are buzzing over your head.

 

They only get XP for blowing up ships... so that's what they do.  No bombers and no torp planes means no XP for them, so their fighters often protect their only XP maker.

 

Yes, it's frustrating, but try waiting for backup.  I usually let the situation develop to see where the other team is placing their ships and fighters.  You can always cap AFTER they capped and hav emoved on.

 

You need to change YOUR strategy, can't ask anyone else (let alone a thousand different CV players as you come across them).

[CAPTMUDDXX]

Well then if this is the case in most CV battles then do not go for the caps since you know there will be no support

[Fedge_123]

Here's an approach to try:  Expect zero support from your teammates and you'll never be disappointed.

[HBZK100]

Another one of these threads. Sigh.

 

You do realize that we CV captains aren't going to be watching over you DDs as the first priority?  Typically were on strike, so we don't have any fighters on hand.  But if we do have fighters, our first objective is to guard the BBs or select few CA's since those are the most important vessels in a fleet.

 

Now, if it's later in the game and it's the destroyers that are going to turn the tide of the battle, then yeah I'll definantly put air support over him as first priority.

 

Just remember, DO NOT expect CV captains to do anything for DDs as the majority.  We can't keep track of every single ship that needs air support.

[Personator]

Apparently people think that our fighters have unlimited ammo capacity and can get the planes anywhere in 3 seconds... we're not like Shen where we can instantly TP to you and save you from the bombers. Just like how battleships take a long time to reload just to MAYBE kill a cruiser, that's the same thing with carriers vs bombers. If you don't understand this, then don't complain until you do.

[Fishrokk]

You're driving one of the fastest, most maneuverable ship class in the game.

 

Why do you keep hanging out where you're getting killed?  Leave cap, stay alive and come back later.

[hiroshi_tea]

*****

 

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- Yshoneist

[Gavroche_]

Pretty much sums up my CV gameplay now. I feel like I've gotten really good at doing that. 

If I'm going to be honest, DDs are the easiest ships to hit because they don't have amazing AA unlike the main body of a fleet. When they buffed AA, it really took away a CVs ability to hit anything in a group, esp. with defensive AA. 

 

Sure, playing DDs is a bit harder, but hey:

 

 

C'est la vie.

[Selek_7101]

Speaking as a CV driver (though I play every type), I have a limited number of squadrons I can put in the air (especially when running a USN CV) and they cannot be everywhere at once.

 

At every stage of the battle, I must make a judgement call about where those squadrons can do the most good (assuming I actually want to contribute to and help win the battle).  Many times, that means guessing where the enemy will be five minutes into the future.  Unfortunately, your priorities and mine will not always coincide.

 

That doesn't mean I'm being "selfish" or "afflicted with tunnel vision", that I guessed wrong, or even that I'm incompetent (nor, ironically, does it rule out any of those possibilities).  It means simply that I disagree with you about what my priority should be at that given moment.  

 

Just as I cannot expect you to throw away a match simply to save my ship, you cannot reasonably expect me to throw a match just to save your ship.  I will lend you what support I can based upon how heavily pressed I am and upon what is most likely to bring about a victory for our team.  

 

Although others may not be so sanguine on the subject, I will always do what I think is best for the team, even if you and I disagree about what that "best" is. 

 

So please do not paint ALL CV drivers as check-valves, Blue Falcons, or simply morons.  Most of us are simply doing the best we can with what little we have.

 

To be blunt, though- if it comes down to a choice between defending a lone DD versus aiding a cruiser or battleship, I'm probably going to default toward the latter, primarily on the assumption that the DD (with his speed, agility, and stealth) can take care of himself.  

 

As always, that choice will depend on how the battle is unfolding.  

 

Honestly- would you do any differently?