Konigsberg or Kirov?

[hurricane_fighter]

Disclaimer: I'm already a little partial to Deutschland. 

 

But anyways here's the question: Konigsberg or Kirov?

 

The video review I've watched say that both are basically glass cannons, buuuuuut...the Kirov seems to suffer MUCH more (engine, propulsion, turrets damaged) than the Konigsberg. 

 

As a lover of cruisers, AAA, and armor piercing, which ship do you guys think will serve me better, for fun and grinding? 

[ValkyrWarframe]

Kirov is a Furutaka with a lot of range, long reload time with big guns as well as long range.

 

Konigsberg is more like a sniper without the powerful rounds to penetrate.  It does have a lot of torpedoes though.

[hurricane_fighter]

One thing I do value is AAA. However, it's also not that important on Tier 5 Cruisers bc they can't use the Defensive Fire cooldown. 

 

Although the Kirov has the best AAA at its tier it can't use Defensive fire and some might argue that it's just as limited in AAA as the Konigsberg. 

 

So, AAA is out of the running as a deciding factor. 

[steelreserv27]

Since they are both made of glass, if I had to choose, I'd pick the Kirov because the guns seem to adapt better in higher tier matches, but they are both interesting to play.

[SchrodingersPanda]

This is my Kirov against a Königsberg:

 

Also Königsberg has an off-axis turret, can't f*****g stand it.

[Khafni]

I've not played the Kirov but the Konigsberg is a lot of fun. Its AP is very effective against all cruisers and BB superstructures. I believe it maneuvers better than the Kirov which let's you engage the enemy a bit closer. Remember the Koni has better armor aft which helps kiting away from enemy. The torps have 6 km range which makes them very useable. I've sunk several DD's who forgot that fact. Neither ship has any AAA to brag about though.

[PPH402]

I personally really like both ships. The Koni has faster guns but the Kirov hits harder. You can't go wrong with either choice. I had a lot of fun in the Koni and am really enjoying the Kirov at the moment. 

[Aeries1]

Konig, no contest.  Up to Hipper in German line and at Kirov now in Russian.  Yes the German line is fragile, but has BB armor compared to Kirov.  Kirov has better HE but that is about the only positive I can give it.  It's the size of a Colorado with the rudder shift time and turning radius to boot with half the hitpoints. It's the ultimate point/citadel piñata for the enemy.  I will finish this thing out just to get Buddy but that is where I will stop, Russian line has nothing to offer me.  If I want to be the size of a BB, I'll just play my BB's and have the firepower, HP, and heal to go with it.

[CapnCappy]

Kirov because that leads to Buddy which is WAAAAAY over-powered right now.

[hurricane_fighter]

Well, thanks all for advice  

 

Chances are, eventually I'll get both. Your advice has certainly helped, the video reviews aren't always that great IMO. 

 

Also, I hear ya about those aft turrets dude 

[CrazyHorse_Denver]

I've played both and was more than happy to move up from the Kirov to the Budyonny which is a keeper in my mind but looking up the tree nothing else in the Russian line impresses me. As I move up the German line to at least the Adm. Hipper I'll at least be thinking about keeping the Konigsberg.

[ForgMaxtor]

Can't speak to playing either but seems like I've been playing against both of them a lot lately.

 

Both hit hard but great googly moogly is the Kirov a glass cannon. Just played a match where I citadeled a Kirov from dead astern. In a Phoenix. With HE. Didn't expect that.

 

 

 

[sargentmki]

Kong.

 

To put things simply the Kong's guns are lower caliber, but fire faster. Since your a tier 5 and will meet "glass" ships far more often having lower caliber faster firing guns mean you can shred harder with AP. Yes you lose out on Alpha strike and fire setting capability, but the Kong has 0 problems Penning even heavy Dreads that are fought at these low tiers.

 

Id rather be slated to pwn most tier 5-6 ships, with pew pew, than be a big contender at tier 7 with bigger cannons.

 

On top of this the Kong has more workable torps, and its follow up tier 6 is basically the exact same ship offensively and defensibly and can still hold its own (with a good driver)

[crzyhawk]

I prefer the k-berg and it's not close.

[Eisennagel]

 

I also prefer the Kong.  If both ships gets into a brawl, the Kirov will just eat it.  Remember the Kong's AP damage is already at 3900 vs. 4100 for the Kirov, and the rate of fire is double.  The Kong also rides low in the water, so hides its weak citadel more, the Kirov stands higher, exposing more its weakness.  The Kong is also more maneuverable, and has a much better last ditch ace card --- 6 torpedo tubes on each side with wide arcs and a longer range than the Kirov.

[Sir_Godz]

the koni is easier to play. They both have weak hulls and good guns but the kirov has a slower hull and guns which takes more skill to  make the most of. They both play the same roll in game but the koni is easier to learn that roll in.

[Xero_Snake]

K-berg is a training cruiser and a bully. Kirov is for skilled players with powerful guns with a decent dispersions. If you're not using Kirov's APs on cruisers, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[PepperMill]

Konigsberg or Kirov, both good choices.  Both play similarly.   I would go for the Kirov because the Budyonny is a a better follow on at the moment.

[Steamin_Demon121]

I say the Kongisberg all the way.  with the guns in the rear its great for firing at ships as U run away.   its also a pretty good at killing DDs.  since a lot of ships have better armor than you, you spend a lot of time

sailing at a angle away from ships.   can set BBs on fire with the best of them.  I just got my Kirov upgraded,, seems to get Citadaled or set on fire a lot more than the Kongisberg did.

[dirsar]

I have had success in both ships, but I would lean towards the Königsberg though. The reason I lean towards the Königsberg is because of the rudder shift time, the Kirvo shift time is horrible, you have to be alot more careful about turning your ship and also your pretty much boned against a good CV player

 

[SeaRaptor]

 

Konigsberg for me, by a landslide.  Kirov is just not durable, and is far, far less maneuverable and far, far easier to hit than Konigsberg.

[Nodorf_]

Why dont you try them both and make your own judgement? Every ship doesnt fit every player. My t5 choice would be Omaha, but now the question was König vs Kirov. Then i'd pick König, due to manuverability, rof, and lower profile.

[Skraeling]

Ive got both up to tier 6 at the moment.

 

Konigs is superior to the kirov.

 

However the budyonny craps all over the nurnburg.

[Heinrike_Prinz]

Konigsberg is far more survivable, for having better armor and the ability to continuously fire while retreating with 2/3rds of your firepower. Being chased while you retreat is an actual advantage. The ship behind must aim ahead of you, as the distance the shell travels becomes increasingly larger. But your shells actually have less and less travel time, as since the ship behind is running towards you it's closing the distance. Flatter arc due to being able to aim under a bit, and better reaction accuracy. Not to mention, in a knife fight the Konig has more and longer range torpedoes than the Kirov. Faster fire rate and decent pen means you'll shred softer cruisers like Omaha and Phoenix, Furu and Kuma, so forth. But salvo for Salvo, and in terms of raw damage, Kirov wins. Speed, Kirov wins. Range, Kirov wins. If you can survive, Kirov works out better. I didn't have it for long, but it took my highest damage ever in a game. So there's that. 

As for Budyonny vs Nurn, it's a similar case. Nurn's RoF is a bit better, and still holds the torpedo advantage @ 6 vs 5 per side, and dual triple launchers per side vs single Quins on the Bud. This means Nurn can fire the torpedo sets at different travels to ensure some hit.

Budyonny's shells travel flatter and faster, and has the option to push out to nearly 20km with spotter activated. Thanks to ultra flat arcs though, there's an oddity with the AP. It works out to around 13-14km vs cruisers, but vs heavier armor it's useless even at max range. AP doesn't gain decent effectiveness until that 20km spotter range where it finally gets to a falling fire and hits the thin deck armor. At that point, even a BB will take acceptable damage, but it's still kinda moot. The HE is average, and does it's job of setting fires and killing DDs, nothing special. 

Nurn's AP having a taller arc is a bit better in this regard. At ultra close range it'll punish the thin armor on most Japanese BBs (as does the Bud), but at both Mid AND Higher ranges, it has better falling effect to hit the decks. This means you'll occasionally get a citadel on BBs at distances past 10km, although it's rare. The HE is awful. When I used the Nurnberg, I never used HE. I kept AP on even vs DDs because the Rof's volume of fire meant raining AP without worrying about changing type for sudden target switches is just easier and less stressful. 

Not saying it's what you should do, but it's acceptable. 

I will say, the German cruisers are for once more forgiving. The Russian cruisers will lose their HP stunningly fast if caught, the Germans are a bit more reliable. My Yorck even bounces some BB and Cruiser AP when angled.

So it's pretty even, the Russian cruisers just require a bit more careful playing though better results are achieved than the Germans when applied.

[itbouncedoff]

The Kirov is a Citadel machine but you have to keep your distance and slower turning. and more of a glass hull but It suits my play style and a keeper for me. I have gotten the most critical hits using the Kirov out of any ship i have tried. just got the Budyonny and it is said to be amazing