Idea for USS Hornet?

[HBZK100]

Hey all, I was thinking, for another premium aircraft carrier, we could do something fun stuff this time around.  The saipan's configs did have a impact to this.

 

What if WG put 2(3) squads of F8F bearcats and 4(6) squadrons of AD2 Skyraiders on the Hornet?  Making it a 2/0/3.

 

I think it would be pretty cool, however I think it's boarderlining OPness for tier 7, maybe tier 8?

What are your thoughts?

[Camping4XP]

Before we think about another premium USN CV, I think we should look at an IJN premium CV.

 

Akagi or Kaga anyone? 

 

Or....... Shinano 

[HBZK100]

Before we think about another premium USN CV, I think we should look at an IJN premium CV.

 

Akagi or Kaga anyone? 

 

Or....... Shinano 

 

Igh, not the Shinano.

 

I would love to see one of those Kaga ships in the game.  How about a 2/5/0?

[devastator5000]

Before we think about another premium USN CV, I think we should look at an IJN premium CV.

 

Thats probably whats going to happen, Feel like it should be enterprise as the next USN Prem CV though

[Czevak]

Before we think about another premium USN CV, I think we should look at an IJN premium CV.

 

Akagi or Kaga anyone? 

 

Or....... Shinano 

 

Shinano would be Tier 10, I think.

 

I agree, WG should first do Premium CV's for other Nations first. Graf Zeppelin? Akagi or Kaga?

 

EDIT: Also, Hornet is a Essex-Class CV, it would therefore be Tier 9. Are you talking about the Yorktown-Class Hornet? or the Essex-Class Hornet?

[Camping4XP]

 

Igh, not the Shinano.

 

I would love to see one of those Kaga ships in the game.  How about a 2/5/0?

 

Mmmm.. the pain on a BB's face when 20 torps are being fired at him... Holy crap, the 5 squadrons are gonna be Shimas that can fly

[HBZK100]

 

Mmmm.. the pain on a BB's face when 20 torps are being fired at him... Holy crap, the 5 squadrons are gonna be Shimas that can fly

 

Yep for sure.  "WHOA, just got sniped by a Kaga. OP!!!"  *Suddenly out of no where, patch 0.5.6 intros BBs with Def AA Fire*

[devastator5000]

 

Mmmm.. the pain on a BB's face when 20 torps are being fired at him... Holy crap, the 5 squadrons are gonna be Shimas that can fly

 

Yeah and all the bad players will get it nerfed, USN had two Torp squads at higher tier many moons ago.

[Czevak]

 

Yep for sure.  "WHOA, just got sniped by a Kaga. OP!!!"  *Suddenly out of no where, patch 0.5.6 intros BBs with Def AA Fire*

 

Iowa and Montana both have pretty OP AA, they don't need Def AA.

[Camping4XP]

 

Shinano would be Tier 10, I think.

 

I agree, WG should first do Premium CV's for other Nations first. Graf Zeppelin? Akagi or Kaga?

 

EDIT: Also, Hornet is a Essex-Class CV, it would therefore be Tier 9. Are you talking about the Yorktown-Class Hornet? or the Essex-Class Hornet?

 

Historically, didn't the Shinano have about a 40 plane limit?

 

Though, to compensate for such a drawback, WG would have to give it OP planes which the IJN actually have. Shinano making it into the game is highly unlikely though 

 

Though, I can't help but entertain the idea 

[Czevak]

 

Historically, didn't the Shinano have about a 40 plane limit?

 

Though, to compensate for such a drawback, WG would have to give it OP planes which the IJN actually have. Shinano making it into the game is highly unlikely though 

 

Though, I can't help but entertain the idea 

It would truly be interesting, a Yamato-Class hull Aircraft Carrier... You would be invincible! (except for plunging fire) MUAHAHAHAA! *cough cough* sorry, I got carried away.

[HBZK100]

 

Historically, didn't the Shinano have about a 40 plane limit?

 

Though, to compensate for such a drawback, WG would have to give it OP planes which the IJN actually have. Shinano making it into the game is highly unlikely though 

 

Though, I can't help but entertain the idea 

 

Yeah it did, Shinano was a hybrid of sorts.  Her airgroup was only a measly 40 aircraft (or so), meanwhile the additional 80+ aircraft were designed excusively for refitting the now empty IJN Carriers from the "Turkey Shoot" ordeal.

[Camping4XP]

It would truly be interesting, a Yamato-Class hull Aircraft Carrier... You would be invincible! (except for plunging fire) MUAHAHAHAA! *cough cough* sorry, I got carried away.

 

Yamato has a 16 km detection range.. Shinano would probably have something just as bad. A part of me really wants the Shinano in-game just to see the shenanigans that will ensue from its release.

 

EDIT: I just remembered that the Midway's detection is 18 km. Forgot that there was a carrier with a worse detection

[tremor3258]

USN carriers are loud and proud.

[devastator5000]

Yamato has a 16 km detection range.. Shinano would probably have something just as bad. A part of me really wants the Shinano in-game just to see the shenanigans that will ensue from its release

 

From what I heard Yamato tends to Viking funeral Barge if it gets under fire, but Shinano did have an armored deck so that may stop some fires

[Ethrenmax5]

It would truly be interesting, a Yamato-Class hull Aircraft Carrier... You would be invincible! (except for plunging fire) MUAHAHAHAA! *cough cough* sorry, I got carried away.

 

Or you can just use a single torpedo and watch as the shinano sinks from a gas explosion.

[FallenZulu]

The Shinano was already in the game I believe during the alpha phase of the game. From what I was told it was not really good at being a tier 10. Besides from the very rushed construction shoddy conversion to a aircraft carrier the Shinano experienced a 40 plane limit which would be absolutely crippling in high tier CV games. So if it will be placed at tier 9-10 WG would have to buff its plane limit much higher or find a paper design to replace it.

[Camping4XP]

 

Or you can just use a single torpedo and watch as the shinano sinks from a gas explosion.

 

And severely long cooldowns on its Damage Control Parties. 

[Gavroche_]

Soryu pls, is it too much to ask for a Hiryu with a normal damn island?

 

[WanderingGhost]

Before we get another premium carrier, I want them to actually get them balanced well and made playable for the average players so they'll actually use them and those of us currently playing bang our heads on a wall a little yes with the joke that is current CV balance.

 

That said, if there going to make Hornet and have it premium, it should be the Doolittle loadout of the original 15 B-25's and 2-3 groups of fighters (Hornets fighters were below decks for when the B-25's left/were shoved off for protection) That way you have a carrier that's unique and different (you can make the bombers different then the DB's) without screwing around too much like they had to with Saipan. I'll take B-25's landing on a carrier for gameplay's sake to see that as unhistorical as it may be. That's one of those things I actually prefer the arcade aspect because in that regard, you can do it and maintain some historical nature, after all, they did get 16 of them off the Yorktown class Hornet's flight deck.

[MelonFlavoredShells]

EDIT: Also, Hornet is a Essex-Class CV, it would therefore be Tier 9. Are you talking about the Yorktown-Class Hornet? or the Essex-Class Hornet?

Most likely he's talking about the Essex-class, seeing how the Yorktown-class never fielded the F8F or the Skyraider.

 

Though I think Ibuki (if her conversion was completed) would be an interesting premium carrier.

[HBZK100]

No, I was talking about the yorktown class Hornet that launched the Doolittle raid.  An essex class CV at tier 7 would be WAY to OP.

 

I disagree with making Hornet with B25 bombers, however the only way I could see it being viable is if it was a 1 time only consumable.

[Camping4XP]

No, I was talking about the yorktown class Hornet that launched the Doolittle raid.  An essex class CV at tier 7 would be WAY to OP.

 

I disagree with making Hornet with B25 bombers, however the only way I could see it being viable is if it was a 1 time only consumable.

 

Hey.. it'd be a premium CV theoretically. WG can put something in that's unorthodox.. Namely... B25 bombers 

[Czevak]

 

Hey.. it'd be a premium CV theoretically. WG can put something in that's unorthodox.. Namely... B25 bombers 

I thought you mean B-52 Bombers for a moment there... Phew, got my heart pounding XD

[MrDeaf]

 

Historically, didn't the Shinano have about a 40 plane limit?

 

Though, to compensate for such a drawback, WG would have to give it OP planes which the IJN actually have. Shinano making it into the game is highly unlikely though 

 

Though, I can't help but entertain the idea 

 

Only 40ish.

But the wings would have consisted of later model aircraft, which were far larger than their predecessors.

A7M Reppuu, B7A Ryusei and D4Y Suisei.

These larger aircraft were starting to become so large, that they didn't fit on the elevators of earlier carriers.

 

 

Late model IJN carrier based airplanes lacked a compact fold, which reduced stowage capacity.

The IJN also didn't store their airplanes on deck, unlike what the USN did.

Those ultra high capacity USN carriers are a combination of compact fold + storing on deck.

 

Aircraft stored on deck are susceptible to being blown off the deck, which is exactly what happened during Typhoon Cobra.